Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[hollowkatt]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you're saying my read on you should be dependent on my read of ender or vice versa, I'm not going to make any assumptions based on perceived alignments in any game really, let alone one with a strong playerlist.

I still don't really buy your reasoning on ender, because if doesn't fit with how I viewed ender at that point in the game. I didn't see anything that seemed like it was forced from ender at the beginning of the game.

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.

Which is feeding into the point I was trying to make: Why am I in your "I dunno" bucket when we had this exchange and you expressed quite a bit of concern over how I had arrived at the conclusions that I did and made the read that I did. So to be in your "meh no idea" bucket after this exchange is what I'm suspicious of.

You having me in your "could be a wolf here" bucket makes more sense than any other read you could have, so I'm trying to understand how I'm in the "don't have a read" bucket.

[Csargo]

Amateur tip:
Interactions with people are a solid way to build reads.

Is this a reference to something I don't get?

[Sleep]

i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

wrt point 1, i understand that stuff like that can be nai but the way it was presented pinged me, theres no way around it for me really

im going to focus on point 2 though because its the one i can speak the most on:

i didnt like #282 because for the most part it was very sarcastic/dismissive and didnt really address my issues in a meaningful way. i realize for a lot of this like the semantics based reads, he cant really answer that stuff and thats understandable but but tonally it felt really incredibly off, and the stuff where he actually had reasoning like his reads on newcomb/katze it was very underwhelming.

i, again, did not hammer this home at the time precisely because i didnt think continued arguing around these points was going to be helpful

[Winston Hughes]

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

[Csargo]

Which is feeding into the point I was trying to make: Why am I in your "I dunno" bucket when we had this exchange and you expressed quite a bit of concern over how I had arrived at the conclusions that I did and made the read that I did. So to be in your "meh no idea" bucket after this exchange is what I'm suspicious of.

You having me in your "could be a wolf here" bucket makes more sense than any other read you could have, so I'm trying to understand how I'm in the "don't have a read" bucket.

It's mostly because I agree with ladd, in that some of your posts are townie in between those posts or don't really make sense coming from a wolf perspective.

[Zack]

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

[Dobby]

Its okay you cant be right always because my ISO is fantastic considering what energy and time i could spend on this game, and it was still way more than planned :)

Iim gonna look through what i have and compile thoughts now that im back home

Qctually I'm gonna get back to this Winston, what exactly is pimply/not impressive enough for you to place a vote on me? Am I your top wolf? Please give examples.

I'm ge uinely happy with what I have done and the contribution I've had here, mainly the discussions with kat and sleep probably have been useful. Planting my own reads in a catchup sequence is only going to be mildly useful at best but I've been interacting with whoever has responded or addressed me so placing a vote here is like

I'm not upset or anything about it I just genuinely don't understand why you place your vote here and point out that the iso is had when I for once am... kinda happy with what I've done?

[ladd]

wrt point 1, i understand that stuff like that can be nai but the way it was presented pinged me, theres no way around it for me really

im going to focus on point 2 though because its the one i can speak the most on:

i didnt like #282 because for the most part it was very sarcastic/dismissive and didnt really address my issues in a meaningful way. i realize for a lot of this like the semantics based reads, he cant really answer that stuff and thats understandable but but tonally it felt really incredibly off, and the stuff where he actually had reasoning like his reads on newcomb/katze it was very underwhelming.

i, again, did not hammer this home at the time precisely because i didnt think continued arguing around these points was going to be helpful

where dismissive?

the sarcasm/snark is part of why i liked his answer. why do you think thats wolfy?

[Winston Hughes]

[ladd]

(and thanks for the answer)

[Sleep]

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.

this is villagery i think

[Dobby]

Like, I think my past wolf/3p games prove qt least to some extent that i know exactly how to play to look super towny, but I'm choosing to play this my way and literally everything I've written (except for memes so I don't get called out on it qnd maybe an addendum of "almost") has felt useful for the game in one way or the other, and not just "this person is why here's a big case". Or like some that just post a list of five names as their first post. I'm going to make sure I have enough when I out my reads, in many cases because I am super interested in dynamics, intent and reactions and stuff like that, rather than actual content of posts to form opinions, and that's part of why I'm asking about your vote here because "iso is bad" is not very useful

[ladd]

i'll try to be back before eod somehow

if not,

[Dobby]

Like, I think my past wolf/3p games prove qt least to some extent that i know exactly how to play to look super towny, but I'm choosing to play this my way and literally everything I've written (except for memes so I don't get called out on it qnd maybe an addendum of "almost") has felt useful for the game in one way or the other, and not just "this person is why here's a big case". Or like some that just post a list of five names as their first post. I'm going to make sure I have enough when I out my reads, in many cases because I am super interested in dynamics, intent and reactions and stuff like that, rather than actual content of posts to form opinions, and that's part of why I'm asking about your vote here because "iso is bad" is not very useful

*qnd want to see how certain things play out before I write about the players involved

Also it says why instead of wolf call it a shroop i dare ypu

[katze]

@katze you are in charge

wtf

no

[Winston Hughes]

Qctually I'm gonna get back to this Winston, what exactly is pimply/not impressive enough for you to place a vote on me? Am I your top wolf? Please give examples.

I'm ge uinely happy with what I have done and the contribution I've had here, mainly the discussions with kat and sleep probably have been useful. Planting my own reads in a catchup sequence is only going to be mildly useful at best but I've been interacting with whoever has responded or addressed me so placing a vote here is like

I'm not upset or anything about it I just genuinely don't understand why you place your vote here and point out that the iso is had when I for once am... kinda happy with what I've done?

firstly, it's the hk vote

secondly, it's the reasoning behind the hk vote

thirdly, it's the timing of the hk vote

fourthly, it's that you made me go look for the reasoning behind the hk vote

fifthly, it's that when i looked for the reasoning behind the hk vote, i found the rest of your iso to lack anything that feels townie to me

for all of that, you've posted far more worthwhile content that i have

so it's no criticism

just you look scummy to me

[katze]

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

youcaughtus.gif

*qnd want to see how certain things play out before I write about the players involved

Also it says why instead of wolf call it a shroop i dare ypu

nice shroop

[Winston Hughes]

youcaughtus.gif

treat this as a learning experience

[ladd]

vote:sleep

i'll follow my heart

[katze]

treat this as a learning experience

if only you went to champs

[Dobby]

firstly, it's the hk vote

secondly, it's the reasoning behind the hk vote

thirdly, it's the timing of the hk vote

fourthly, it's that you made me go look for the reasoning behind the hk vote

fifthly, it's that when i looked for the reasoning behind the hk vote, i found the rest of your iso to lack anything that feels townie to me

for all of that, you've posted far more worthwhile content that i have

so it's no criticism

just you look scummy to me

Okay lol

The ti.ing of the hk vote was because I didn't know when I'd be back and even when I say I'm going to leave the thread I switch to phone because I have an unhealthy relationship to mafia. The vote was placed because I noticed people were placing votes and that I hadn't disclosed where my mind was at.

The rest is. Okay, not sure why that would warrant a vote but I respect it gl

[Winston Hughes]

I have an unhealthy relationship to mafia

is there any other kind?

[Newcomb]

vote:sleep

i'll follow my heart

I can live with that I think

Vote: sleep

[Winston Hughes]

if only you went to champs

i'm too street for champs

[Sleep]

where dismissive?

the sarcasm/snark is part of why i liked his answer. why do you think thats wolfy?

i mean stuff like "nice assumption nerd" "sue me" "Good job on your nothing read on me" "Gotta love semantics reads, those always work out". like basically this stuff saying "your read is dumb" where it felt more like mocking me rather than answering me. it just felt more like how i inuitively expect a wolf to respond to pressure. it felt, uh, weird that basically just pooh pooh'ed my case on him but then turned around and towncored me, didnt feel authentic. it seemed less like the response of someone who believes they are being tunneled by town with a wrong read and more like the response of someone who knows im town and thinks my reasons are bad and can shut me down that way

and, like i said, i fully accept the possibility i might be tunneled there

[Winston Hughes]

I can live with that I think

Vote: sleep

really?

[Winston Hughes]

i mean stuff like "nice assumption nerd" "sue me" "Good job on your nothing read on me" "Gotta love semantics reads, those always work out". like basically this stuff saying "your read is dumb" where it felt more like mocking me rather than answering me. it just felt more like how i inuitively expect a wolf to respond to pressure. it felt, uh, weird that basically just pooh pooh'ed my case on him but then turned around and towncored me, didnt feel authentic. it seemed less like the response of someone who believes they are being tunneled by town with a wrong read and more like the response of someone who knows im town and thinks my reasons are bad and can shut me down that way

and, like i said, i fully accept the possibility i might be tunneled there

although...

[katze]

Newcomb:

do you believe that the other people who suspect you are doing so in a more authentic way than i have?

this question feels awkward but any other way i word it feels loaded

[Csargo]

in retrospect this was uncharitable to csargo, i think this is ~okay from him for d1 at least

no idea what's up with monty

I don't think it's uncharitable tbh, my reads are mostly just feelings from lightly reading the thread and my posts are just pointing out stuff I find kinda wolfy/odd.

[Winston Hughes]

I don't think it's uncharitable tbh, my reads are mostly just feelings from lightly reading the thread and my posts are just pointing out stuff I find kinda wolfy/odd.

did you vote for me?

or was that cuth?