Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

okay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO

hold on im finding one on MU real quick

I absolutely froze after like day 2 there

[katze]

Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3

wolf games ranked fwiw

oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)

im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that




didney worl

[Cape90]

oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)

im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that




didney worl

ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better

[Sleep]

ender, do you think there are any ways in which the general consensus of the thread starkly differs from your perception of the game?

i feel ender is >(>*.5)rand villagery despite also doing a lot of wolfy things

this makes me feel less cozy about some people i called villagers earlier

more on this another time

these quotes are. wolfy.

[katze]

ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better

clearly this is indicative of FoL being the best mafia site in the world (i hear the best player ever hails from there)

or different environments being difficult for you to adjust to

or you choosing the wrong player to hydra with

anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh

[katze]

@Sleep

if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?

[Sleep]

im reading cuths iso and all the bad feels are coming back

[hollowkatt]

a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?

i dont understand this

yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?

Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.

[Cape90]

Okay NGL what I am seeing right now from HK's wolfgames looks quite different then what I have observed in this game.

Not sure if it's the feeling that HK is putting less thought into the games in his wolf game then here, but it is kinda what it looks like to me. Seems to be more filler posts in that game then there are here. Seems to be more skepticism/meta stuff here.

[hollowkatt]

I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given







this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.

What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.

I said this about Dobby/sleep



I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.

I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.

I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)

When I am a wolf I either am found early (before N3 or so) or I end game and win.

See MU Champs S7 Q1, Bluey Mafia on The Syndicate for end gaming HK
MU S7 Spec Chat: The Game, Thanksgiving Champs S7, Ducktales on The Syndicate for caught early type games.

[Sleep]

@Sleep

if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?

i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level

but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all

that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here

[hollowkatt]

if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do

tbh

kinda like the deck mafia game where Alison shot her last partner with a day vig action and then just about won off of the cred.

[katze]

yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?

Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.

yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb

they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao

like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"

[Cape90]

anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh

decided to look there for fun

laughed at my read on Cuth OMG

I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"

LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny

[katze]

i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level

but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all

that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here

yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)

and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that

but i still think it's below the town games

idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)

[hollowkatt]

yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb

they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao

like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"

katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot

[Cape90]

yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?

Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.

me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?

[Cape90]

me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?

I can't believe HK believes I would brainwash the Sorc into believing they bombed me instead of who they bombed.

That must be some 200 IQ robot stuff

[Cape90]

decided to look there for fun

laughed at my read on Cuth OMG

I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"

LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny

(It was like 300ish posts in the game too)

[katze]

katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot

well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like

cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't

because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened

:p

[hollowkatt]

oh my god forget I ever said anything about cape, the vest, and ender. I was being as uncharitable as possible, I don't actually think that's what happened. It was a thought exercise in "how bad can I make this look", nothing more.

Clearly I don't believe that's what happened.

[katze]

also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh

suffer i guess

[Sleep]

yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)

and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that

but i still think it's below the town games

idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)

i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately

[hollowkatt]

well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like

cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't

because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened

:p

nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.

[Visor]

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[katze]

i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately

i enjoy that 24 hours ago i wanted to maj myself and now with 1 hour to go i want the day to be extended

[Sleep]

im reading my own posts since viggo figured me out in the mash by pointing out i use town/wolf andi see myself doing it here and im dying inside lmao

[Raskolnikov]

also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh

suffer i guess

have fun. we will handle this

[Cape90]

i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that

Truly flawless logic

okay wait

I think I get what HK is saying here

But like, if wolf got vest, we cannot force wolf into making a decision like that since that wolf is dying anyways, they WILL be outed. Wolf with vest is just an antispew machine who wants to kill sorc or the towniest person alive

[Sleep]

nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.

i more or less agree with this sentiment