Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[hollowkatt]

Ah yes, because villagers cannot have good reads lists

My reads list is bad compared to the linked, just sayin ;)

Ummmm, katze already pointed this out but I said "there's nothing to suggest Cape Can't have god tier reads.

Your reads list, if you are town, is great! It's the commentary about Csargo in that post that I didn't like.

[Cape90]

HK, if Dolby came to powerwolf, we all kinda saw through it there anyways, even I suspected Dolby

[Cape90]

Ummmm, katze already pointed this out but I said "there's nothing to suggest Cape Can't have god tier reads.

Your reads list, if you are town, is great! It's the commentary about Csargo in that post that I didn't like.

You voted with me on Csargo so obviously you loved it

[hollowkatt]

HK, if Dolby came to powerwolf, we all kinda saw through it there anyways, even I suspected Dolby

Dolby power wolfs vastly more often that he does anything else. I think if dolby had come into any other slot he probably isn't bombed there. Might still get wagoned but likely not bombed, at least not that quickly.

[katze]

we all kinda saw through it there anyways

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[Cape90]

Dolby power wolfs vastly more often that he does anything else. I think if dolby had come into any other slot he probably isn't bombed there. Might still get wagoned but likely not bombed, at least not that quickly.

Voting Dolby was on my mind, but then they exploded

[hollowkatt]

You voted with me on Csargo so obviously you loved it

decidedly untrue. I had other reasons for voting csargo.
basically this post: 755

[hollowkatt]

Voting Dolby was on my mind, but then they exploded

shoulda gotten on my level

vote: dolby

my bones say this is the chop

[katze]

me rn

[Sleep]

fair enough to the "doing something" bit

i'll get back to you on my read on you later in the day if it still holds/becomes more concrete cause rn it's really just down to "i reread most of/some of D1 and my guts telling me it makes the most sense so far" (and i can conceivably see what dobby was saying earlier that you're trying to advocate to bring cape to F3 to ML him there)

that is fair thinking! by the same coin there's a voice in my head that is saying "a scum!katze that sees i have reversed my read on cape and am now strongly townreading him needs to get rid of me to have the best possible path to victory" but im trying to suppress it

as for HK... i just feel like they have the most going for them? like:

imo they're the person who's coming at this game from the most genuine perspective, the way wolves treated them feels a lot like how they've treated villagers (a few of ladds posts on HK felt flat out like TMIing him town) and i honestly don't think HK would agree to be like, the designated deepwolf, tbqfh.

and ultimately they just feel like a villager to me? this is totally an experience im sure everybody can relate to when they just sometimes have players in the game that just Feel Like Town. wowee

i dont think its like...designated, exactly? things just happen and you find yourself in a spot. but anyway ill be going over his stuff because i dont fully feel that i agree. one of us is wrong here but i need to go into details to make it work

[Sleep]

oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.

so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered

[katze]

that is fair thinking! by the same coin there's a voice in my head that is saying "a scum!katze that sees i have reversed my read on cape and am now strongly townreading him needs to get rid of me to have the best possible path to victory" but im trying to suppress it


i dont think its like...designated, exactly? things just happen and you find yourself in a spot. but anyway ill be going over his stuff because i dont fully feel that i agree. one of us is wrong here but i need to go into details to make it work

that's also a fair theory too, tbh! i did open up the day hinting at the fact i was less sure of it being Just Cape

i kinda wanna see how everyone else opens today before i talk more about who my confident townread is/who i think the mafia might be if not cape

until then uh

nyas quietly

but obviously that wasn't specific enough (by design) so you're allowed to theorize beyond it i don't mind :p



and yeah im well aware that sometimes a wolf who isnt rly supposed to be The Deepwolf goes deep on accident but i think HKs play is pretty townsidey in a way that i think, if mafia, he was expecting to go deep earlier

oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.

so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered

it was less "ladd is defending HK" and more "i feel like ladd is shielding a player he thinks is an obvious villager because they're an obvious villager"

were a few posts that gave me that impression

idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:



its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea



and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes

imo

this one was the last one i read but iirc there were a few more

[Sleep]

yeah, sure, I know a few alts but probably not all :p

town:
anonymous mountainous (started high effort, lost motivation, got tilted at being pressured by apoc, lost by misvoting in f3
18er SK game (got overwhelmed with the pace of the game thread and was low effort, got MLed fr it eventually, reads weren't great. dobby was in that one as sk and i thought he looked super towny)
spec chat invitational (another game where i feel like i wasnt that great and most of the town did the lifting, similar in that its a stacked playerlist)
EM theme game (low effort town game where i wasnt great but was able to convince brad and hally to trust me in f5/f3)
coffee mafia (nother low effort town game, lost the game by voting wrong in f5)

scum:
FGO II (anonymous game, made it to F3 but lost because it was a role madness game and i was mechanically poe'sthere were too many mech clears. might have had a chance if one of my partners didnt gamethrow by pulling a schweppes. i consider it a pretty bad game on my part but it might be the scum game i posted the best in)
open 841: pyp x/y (most recent completed scum game. my posting sucked in this one, i was playing a game with a lot of people who knew me and i couldnt shake suspicion on me, so i wound up faking demotivation and dragging my ass through the game. however, i managed to win it despite the game having several very skilled townies who had the correct POE at one point, because my partner and i dissociated enough to keep them from getting the solve. kind of a lucky game but im very proud to have won this one)
Mini Normal 2252 | W;ildlife amd strange critters (helped captain two less experienced partners through a game, thread was kind of a mess for town but i demonstrated good leadership skills at least? won a CC battle in 8p although my teammates nearly threw the game away after that)
Mini Normal 2224 | Garfield Minus Garfield (one of my partners got caught in RVS and i panic bussed, i got townread off it but ultimately lost because it was a cracked setup with 4 investigative roles)
Happy Face Mafia (another game where my team had absolutely no motivation, i bussed them and rode a sketchy fakeclaim on top of my gladiator ability to victory, got very lucky the mechs broke the right way for me. there were parts of the game where i deliberately avoided posting real content or looking like i was solvng in the thread though, because I wanted the game to drag out and demotivate people)

[Sleep]

v funny how much longer the descriptions for my scum games are

[Sleep]

it was less "ladd is defending HK" and more "i feel like ladd is shielding a player he thinks is an obvious villager because they're an obvious villager"

were a few posts that gave me that impression



this one was the last one i read but iirc there were a few more

this is the thing: how do u differentiate that in your mind from ladd defending cape and going after me while declaring a "light villa read" or w/e on him? to me its just a guessing game as to which of his posts could be a partner defense

[Sleep]

The problem I have with the HK vote/sus is that it's literally just POE with no case, which I feel would be easier to develop if we could actually see all of what HK has said this game easily. So basically I don't see the "legs" for the suspicion to stand on.

that's becausei haven't explained it yet! give me time lol

[Sleep]

dobby still nowhere to be found, sleep gone from town list to being pushed, cape firmly where he was before and HK/i rising

hum

dobby basically had barely posted anything contentwise at the time of that post

i think ladd is the type where if his partner is getting v read in the thread he will take it and run with it

[Sleep]

Ye im not here today. been not at home during the day and im just gonna chill and not think about the game tonight, ill do some work tomorrow but im back to feeling like anything but cape is a mistake. F




this approach is just... not great sorry. Like, we can't have 4-5 different vote targets at the end of the day, and go into f3 with 50 different opinons but i guess thats whats going to happen.

i dunno man. theres 5 people left in the game. we get 2 more cracks at it to get it right. its not as chaotic as you make it seem

[Sleep]

[QUOTE=katze;2053832054]and yeah im well aware that sometimes a wolf who isnt rly supposed to be The Deepwolf goes deep on accident but i think HKs play is pretty townsidey in a way that i think, if mafia, he was expecting to go deep earlier /QUOTE]

i dont think its that townsidey

what i think it is, is somehing similar to how ender played out the game, where ender was lightly sussing his partners but never made a serious push for them. and patternwise it looks kinda similar here

[Sleep]

i also think the way hes positioned himself is like...

he can make the claim to being right on suspecting the mafia but didnt really push any of them

and that kinda makes more sense as someone who is informed? as opposed to others being imperfect in their view of the game



anyway let me rr quick and try to make a case instead of responding to everything (although i might dip to watch basketball)

[hollowkatt]

i also think the way hes positioned himself is like...

he can make the claim to being right on suspecting the mafia but didnt really push any of them

and that kinda makes more sense as someone who is informed? as opposed to others being imperfect in their view of the game



anyway let me rr quick and try to make a case instead of responding to everything (although i might dip to watch basketball)

other than dobby and cape have I cased and "really pushed" anyone?

[hollowkatt]

other than dobby and cape have I cased and "really pushed" anyone?

Realistically though I am the weak link in a wolf team of Ladd, Monstr (and then Dolby), and Ender. I can have flashes of brilliance and can, when the stars align, town side my way to victory while only killing those I haven't pocketed and/or can't get chopped.

Look at my Bluey mafia win on TheSyndicate. I pushed a pack mate a bit on D1 for some credit, helped the thread dumpster JJJ when he subbed into a functionally outed slot, then killed the only people who were actively suspecting me on my way to winning in F3 with Syn and Dizzy and even then it only happened because Syn hates F3s and I took full advantage of that.

My win in my champs qualifier was due to laying down a hell-bus on Anaxagore starting literally from D1 and finally executing it on D3.

My other wolf wins I died early and the team carried, like Spec Chat S7 where I got Litten and Mistyx chopped D1/2, then ate the D3 while Holyflare and Vanity. took the game home.
Or in the original AtLA game on TheSyndicate where Seanzie did the majority of the heavy lifting AND lined up the soup kill that got us the game.

Generally speaking my wolf game is this: get 2-3 players chopped, lay down a metric fuckton of anti-spew b/c I know I'm going down eventually, then die and let the team go the rest of the way.

Am I self-meta posting? absolutely I am. Do I think my wolfing history is strongly indicative that it just can't be me? Absolutely I do.

[Cape90]

oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.

so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered

I don't recall defense of HK, could you bring that up?

[Cape90]

I don't want this to like... become a repeat of this towngame i had where i got misvoted in final 3 https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Be-My-Neighbor

[Cape90]

reading through Gira games, feeling a little drained for no reason so ima just read some of those and be inactive til later

[Sleep]

I don't recall defense of HK, could you bring that up?

click through to the source:

idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:



its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea



and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes

imo

this was toward end of day 1 when there was a bit of suspicion on him

[hollowkatt]

click through to the source:


this was toward end of day 1 when there was a bit of suspicion on him

didn't benneh echo the read decay read?

[Sleep]

i started writing a thing and i dont even know that i believe it

[katze]

i started writing a thing and i dont even know that i believe it

post it anyway

[Sleep]

real thing is i was tracking the dobby/hk argument to see how i feel about it and run smack dab into this cape post

man... 1604 says nothing

I have a feeling mafia is Mont this game. Too many things keep piling up

Vote: Montmorency

which just kinda rubs me wrong in how it feels


thers still stuff that like...i get the feeling a lot of the stuff hk says is done to look towny rather than actually find scum but idk