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    (i'll read the game overnight if it's not you though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    nope apparently that's joqiza and gira that makes sense :wowee:
    yeah he chose it because i had no ideas for names apparently it's a sanskrit word for zero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobby View Post
    im reading through ender iso and god this post (link if you want the quotes included
    I interacted with wolves about wolves that I defended :O. I wouldn't make that post as a wolf, but that's also quite unprovable. Also LMAO me with the names in the game dude.

    All I will say is ladd's read on ender clearly was TMI while my take wasn't

    But just do me a favor while I do college finals and win f3 for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post


    kinda suspicious that you scumread sleep on december of 2021 yet you townread them here. care to explain that progression

    (this is how i imagine long phase games)
    its actually just like this except the screaming happens over 3 months and by the end everyone desires death

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    im not gonna lie if you linked me the post dobby linked in isolation i'd say it's >rand to be a completely out of touch villager

    so dobby linking it as a slam dunk is kinda weird to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    i should say uhh

    i think a lot posts hk made are posts that kind of look like they were made to get townread off? and the solviong content is not that strong. cape feels like he keeps trying to analyze things, oftentimes he goes down dead ends but hes exploring a lot of paths. thats what im getting here
    more like

    all the time lol

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    this doesn't feel right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    its actually just like this except the screaming happens over 3 months and by the end everyone desires death
    so it's a normal mafia game but longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    this doesn't feel right.
    stop im trying to ignore the voices telling me to panic

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    i realize that deviating at the last moment can lead to significant problems and sometimes its better to just stay the course regardless and commit yourself

    i am rereading again quickly though

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post


    kinda suspicious that you scumread sleep on december of 2021 yet you townread them here. care to explain that progression

    (this is how i imagine long phase games)
    So that was a vote I didn't believe in, but I wanted those stats if I was just wrong on sleep just being town here. Gotta have at least 1 vote on mafia, otherwise, I have not done a good job this game, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    im not gonna lie if you linked me the post dobby linked in isolation i'd say it's >rand to be a completely out of touch villager

    so dobby linking it as a slam dunk is kinda weird to me
    not linking it as a slamdunk, more like "wat"

    im reading d1 post by post now, i stoped doing iso becasue its too hard on this site

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    this is guaranteed to bite me in the ass but katze has too many votes too quickly and therefore is town.
    Ender otoh is not.
    vote: ender

    hk answers about why he scumreads ender, very early into the game

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
    I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
    If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

    The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



    And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
    So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

    and yeah I'm being serious

    monstr quoting 3 sleep posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Monstrdude View Post
    Feels off to me

    Caveat I don't think I know you that well



    This is a very long wall from Sleep about Cape
    , it does feel tunnely though and kinda nai.

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    i have a really bad read but if it's correct im going to pretend its genius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    cape, theres no majority, votes are purely symbolic until the deadline occurs. this is me tracing out a feeling. what happened was i went back and looked at what the dead townies had as poes. i had sort of contemplated just voting katze there, because that was what most of them wanted (and as said idt its you anymore). but dobby raised a good point about how ender spoke to katze. so i went and reread hollowkatt because i felt as though i had ignored him too much, and i didnt like what i saw
    So Sleep, what makes you not think it's katze, or more want to go HK over katze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
    I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

    This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
    I think they're just town.

    Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.
    this was a post i didn't like when i was rring a couple nights ago. the way the reads are explained does not make a lot of sense to m. the newc read is kinda nothingburger

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    I am really confident in sleep being town

    It would be really funny to see sleep as mafia though and have

    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    This has swayed and convinced me.

    Vote: Sleep
    at the very start of the game on page 1 by a mafia partner if sleep is mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post


    hk, sunbae




    sleep, newcomb



    cuth, csar, dobby, rask




    benneh, ladd, katze, monstr




    cape, blade, monty




    zack
    if the n1 kill was reads related and not sorcerer hunting this one might be of value, imma let you interpret it yourselves tho

    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    I'm going to point out that last time I was actually wolf with you (Hello remember when I literally cased you and got you voted out and I was red?) I was townread and no one thought I was struggling to get into thread.

    This honestly feels a VERY weird take on me given that the game I'm talking about was the last time HK and I played together. For him to seriously believe I would struggle to get my groove on as wolf is...

    Kinda honestly wolfy.
    Ender responding to hollowkatt's case on him. It's one of the things i thougt didnt look like w addressing w, i still think so tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    well my first impression was that you were being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian so i'm calling the bluff

    now how do i iso on maf cafe
    katze being cheeeky with ender

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    ok, so what gives then? Why does it seem like this game is harder to get into for you?
    If you're villager shitposting and tossing off ideas should be fairly straightforward.

    The unspoken part of that read I made on you is that this player list is vastly different than that player list and I also did say I was ego solving there and I would struggle as wolf to get established in this list.

    You dumpstered me last game, hard, and of course I'm going to be wary of you in this game because of that.

    Go be town and do townie things and I'll call you town. Till then I won't.
    this is also part of why i thought the ender hk back and forth is not w/w. It's too.... much, and too in depth for no reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    ikr, soz.

    outside of me who else do you think is sus? maybe we can talk and I'll change my mind.
    i guess this could be w/w backing off but i think its just a how-hk-plays-the-game kind of thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomb View Post
    It's not "never interact with people you wolfread you," that would be silly. It's that I don't find it productive to talk to people who wolfread me, or people I wolfread, about that read.

    Like what actual good do you think it's gonna do to try to argue about this specific issue if we happen to be v/v? It would be like that meme of spider man pointing at himself.

    My wolfread on you is based on a) me noticing that you were talking about me in a way that looked performative vs. having a specific read or one that seemed inquisitive. I.e. just kind of waving your hand around and going "hey guys newcomb looks wolfy" type posts. And then b) me being generally on the lookout for a wolf to try this kind of thing with me - poking at/around me specifically to get townread. Your treatment of me matched both my loose range of people who might try this, and the lack of depth in the approach to it matched my conception of the commitment someone might have to that kind of play D1.

    The problem is, what are you going to say to that that's going to be productive in addressing that? "Nah bro that's not what I'd do as a wolf."? We're not arguing about the base facts of what you did, we'd be arguing about subjective interpretations about it, and what use would that be? You're biased.

    And you could pretty much flip everything I just said around for you wolfreading me.

    If you want my read on you to evolve and change, just play the game, show me you're invested in it, show me your thought process. If you want to find common ground with me specifically, talk to me about literally anything other than your alignment or mine.

    Here, I'll start: right now what I'm considering a pivot point this game is cape vs. sleep. Going through the possible worlds where they're v/v, v/w, w/v, and w/w, what do you think the game looks like in those worlds, does anything really important stand out? Do you think any of those configurations are wildly unlikely?
    and here ender is answering katze, just read it. it's just, too much lol. hesnot just having a casual exchange with someone or just planting a read. this is someone trying to justify and explain why their actions arent wolfy, and the difference is that, you dont do the latter with a teammate.

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    dobby... that last quote is newcomb right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobby View Post
    BTW a thought I had was that..

    When you're the last wolf alive, it's way harder to find anything legit to scumread you for/find you compared to if you are alive with teammates. You basically don't have to fake anything other than on a very very surface level. Also meaning that at this stage, it's easy to find someone's wording not like, 100% making sense or a misuse of a word or whatever, but that kinda shouldn't mean anything really because that applies to everyone allowed in the game. I think at least.
    yeah pretty much

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    Players Votes

    Cape90 4 (Dobby, Sleep, katze, hollowkatt)
    hollowkatt 1 (Cape90)

    believe this is still correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post


    hk, sunbae




    sleep, newcomb



    cuth, csar, dobby, rask




    benneh, ladd, katze, monstr




    cape, blade, monty




    zack
    there is one alive player in every tier :wowee:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    tbh the longer ender goes without bombing the more I town read him
    like if I were wolf here with a vest I'd probably thrown down a shitpost or two and then blow up the pr and call it a day
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I WAS RIGHT
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    anyways GG ender GG sunbae, may DVC be kind to you
    kind of a thonk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    I am literally so confused by this whole thing in the bolded
    there's context there you're missing.
    Sunbae said "if we flip a townie today I'm vesting dobby".

    I said "if you're going to vest dobby if we flip town we should flip me b/c otherwise dobby is going to vest me tomorrow"


    The line of thinking being "I know I am town, if dobby gets vested when we flip town we are losing three townies (me, the townie we flip today, and the NK) in exchange for dobby, over the course of two phases"

    Therefore, if you're vesting dobby if we flip town flip me so that dobby has to make a different decision.


    All of that logic was predicated on sunbae saying "if we flip a townie I am giving dobby the vest".

    I don't understand what is hard or complicated about that, nor do I understand why that didn't make sense to anyone who read it, I thought it was bleedingly obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobby View Post
    if the n1 kill was reads related and not sorcerer hunting this one might be of value, imma let you interpret it yourselves tho



    Ender responding to hollowkatt's case on him. It's one of the things i thougt didnt look like w addressing w, i still think so tbh.



    katze being cheeeky with ender



    this is also part of why i thought the ender hk back and forth is not w/w. It's too.... much, and too in depth for no reason.



    i guess this could be w/w backing off but i think its just a how-hk-plays-the-game kind of thing?



    and here ender is answering katze, just read it. it's just, too much lol. hesnot just having a casual exchange with someone or just planting a read. this is someone trying to justify and explain why their actions arent wolfy, and the difference is that, you dont do the latter with a teammate.
    dobby did you quote teh wrong post at the end there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    oh come on it's HK

    "at risk". Such partner

    Vote: Hollowkatt

    Credits to Sleep for having me find that.

    Listen, I know that's kinda a lazy answer, but I think it's the right one, and I believe in final 3 making that choice
    lol ok

    lets play pretend then. I am the chop today and flip town. Who is the wolf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    So Sleep, what makes you not think it's katze, or more want to go HK over katze?
    ...the thing about how ender spoke to katze like a townie he was manipulating and not like a teammate? i think i quoted some stuff idr


    then i reread hks iso and thought it as suspect

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    maaaaaaaan

    i kinda wanna throw the game and do a cfd

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    (i'll read the game overnight if it's not you though)
    that's more than I'm planning to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    dobby... that last quote is newcomb right?
    it is yeah, im stressing trhoguh shit that nobodys going to read anyway sorry

    my conclusion is like, im townreading hk more now after the back and forths with ender that dont end, and im townreading katze still if we only look at ender interactions. Wagonomics id say look bad for you as well, good for sleep.




    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    cool I can work with that.

    Ok, I think sunbae is town. I think I might be the only person who thinks that but i found their early game posting very free flowing and natural. His early posts regarding the suicide bomber felt townie to me in terms of "lets do something bombastic and then relax in dvc for the rest of the game" vs "do the hard work of solving, staying alive, and pushing people".

    I get that can also be read as wolfy, I think it's not though.
    I also like, and jibe with, the "shield dobby d1" post he made for basically the reasons he articulated. Dobby can be super strong but also can just kinda fold to early pressure even as town, and if dobby is town he'd be an asset for sure (not like this is saying much, the entire thread is an asset tbh).

    even if sunbae is wrong here:

    it doesn't mean it's not a town way of thinking about things. If sun was doing hard pushes on cape maybe I'd have a different opinion but this reads like a "hey I noticed a thing, anyone else notice a thing" more than a hard push.

    I officially rescind my N0 red on Raskol and want to keep him alive for today. I think he's a super easy push for later today b/c he's not posted and he'll likely struggle to catch up if/when he does start posting, but being absent is not a wolf tell for Raskol.
    Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though. Just fyi.

    I have no read on Ladd but probably should come up with something. Cuth I think can be town, Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.
    this is a pretty cool post from hk. i dont know that id say its ai but its got a lot of info on how he thinks.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    yeah to me they read as more forced content than anything else. I'm not sure if that's just me being weird or ender being weird. My discussions with ender though recently have given me more of a good feeling about him than his earlier posting did so maybe call him null/lean town instead of 'lets kill'
    idk i dont find it likely that hk and ender are trying to all in distance from early day 1 just like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monstrdude View Post
    This isn't a real thought it was one post

    vote: hollowkat
    this was monstr quoting something hk wrote that may or may not be true im not gonna doublecheck

    Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.
    im not sure the "it was one post" thing is accurate and i dont know what that changes tbh.

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