Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[katze]

uh it was that game and the SK 18er visor hosted on MU, where he was mafia and i misread him day 1 and dobby shot him as sk

that is the sum total aside from a turbo which we have established are not real

less than i expected but okay

what do you think led you to misreading him this game as opposed to in artemis fowl?

[Sleep]

uh confirmation bias based on past experience limited sample size/not understanding his play/him not having time and his head not being in the game

he very much had me fooled in artemis fowl until i went back to read for spew and found that he looked kinda bad

turns out i'm just not that good at reading him (or anyone)

[katze]

nod

gonna eat and then do More Reading and then... hopefully realtime again

@HK why have you been so confidently TRing me this game? idt you answered it earlier but if you did you can throw me to that answer instead

[katze]

oh wait

gira can you link the HK games you were talking about earlier

ill probably look for a few of my own regardless but figure i ask

[Sleep]

oh wait

gira can you link the HK games you were talking about earlier

ill probably look for a few of my own regardless but figure i ask

bluey on the syndicate (mafia f3 win)

Bardcore Mafia (mafia f3 loss)

Deck Mafia #004 (town, died n2 - i only got partway into this before i got interrupted)


i was looking at SCI as well to get a sense of how he talked about partners in that but i am kkinda seeing pre- and post-ban hollowkatt as two different entities

[hollowkatt]

nod

gonna eat and then do More Reading and then... hopefully realtime again

@HK why have you been so confidently TRing me this game? idt you answered it earlier but if you did you can throw me to that answer instead

Mostly how different your play has been here vs the games I know you were wolf either by experience or by watching.

[Sleep]

vote: katze


this is either a legendary throw or the ballsiest thing i have ever done


anyway it's 4:30 on a friday and i'm going to go pass out

[katze]

Mostly how different your play has been here vs the games I know you were wolf either by experience or by watching.

man. i want it to be sleep so i can tell people that im way easier to read than people actually say i am but i am still a tiny bit hung up by this confidence just by my rep

maybe i should stop focusing on my rep given its part of what made me suspect newcomb :/

vote: katze


this is either a legendary throw or the ballsiest thing i have ever done


anyway it's 4:30 on a friday and i'm going to go pass out

at least im not alone in "being tired at 4:30 pm on a friday"

i dont rly get how you see that vote change as a throw (ive made it clear i lean you so regardless v!you kinda needs to hope im mafia) or ballsy (the consensus PoE has had me in it since like D2) but ig its going against your claimed f3 philosophy

[hollowkatt]

@Sleep are you more of a "go along with the crowd" player or are you more of a "strike out on your own" player when it comes to pushes you want to make?

[hollowkatt]

man. i want it to be sleep so i can tell people that im way easier to read than people actually say i am but i am still a tiny bit hung up by this confidence just by my rep

maybe i should stop focusing on my rep given its part of what made me suspect newcomb :/



at least im not alone in "being tired at 4:30 pm on a friday"

i dont rly get how you see that vote change as a throw (ive made it clear i lean you so regardless v!you kinda needs to hope im mafia) or ballsy (the consensus PoE has had me in it since like D2) but ig its going against your claimed f3 philosophy

tbh the only reason I even arrived at that conclusion is because of how you played Submissive and Bullyable. Your champze run has less to do with it, but still somewhat impactful.

Basically in this game you feel like it's important to you to be right/accurate and in those games it feels like it was more important to you to be liked
At least till you needed to turn it on anyways.

[hollowkatt]

@katze do you feel like you are more analytical or more fly by the seat of your pants?

[Sleep]

i dont rly get how you see that vote change as a throw (ive made it clear i lean you so regardless v!you kinda needs to hope im mafia) or ballsy (the consensus PoE has had me in it since like D2) but ig its going against your claimed f3 philosophy

because if i had the solve and talked myself out of it on a momentary impulse despite me having lost multiple games doing this exact thing and knowing its a bad idea its an all rime bad play

[Sleep]

@Sleep are you more of a "go along with the crowd" player or are you more of a "strike out on your own" player when it comes to pushes you want to make?

uh

it really depends

i think my natural inclination is kind of to want to play the hero, to catch the scum no one else sees


however in a game where i have been proven wrong/other people seem to have a stronger grasp of it, i will go along with the crowd. if someone yells at me loud enough i usually buckle because i usually feel like i have a desire to be validated in my thinking

[Visor]

Players Votes

katze 1 (Sleep)
Sleep 1 (hollowkatt)

[Sleep]

because if i had the solve and talked myself out of it on a momentary impulse despite me having lost multiple games doing this exact thing and knowing its a bad idea its an all rime bad play

i should add: i dont play this as town by making the vote that has the highest likelihood of the other person siding with me


i vote for who i believe is mafia


i voted cuth even though killjoy was likely to hammer me (and did) because i thought cuth was mafia (and i was right)

if i believed with all my heart that you were town i have 24 hours to spend pleading with you trying to convince you its not me and i would use them

but i have started to believe its you

[katze]

tbh the only reason I even arrived at that conclusion is because of how you played Submissive and Bullyable. Your champze run has less to do with it, but still somewhat impactful.

Basically in this game you feel like it's important to you to be right/accurate and in those games it feels like it was more important to you to be liked
At least till you needed to turn it on anyways.

fair enough and honestly pretty accurate interpretation of my wolfmeta

@katze do you feel like you are more analytical or more fly by the seat of your pants?

absolutely the latter, very much so a viber/realtimer

im sometimes analytical but it's tiring for me cause my attention span is rly short so its not super often. i force it out of myself when i feel like i need to be but its not my preferred method of play

like today i am definitely forcing myself to play differently than i'd prefer to. id much rather just vote off of vibes but im making myself go through isos and stuff because i feel like i need to

because if i had the solve and talked myself out of it on a momentary impulse despite me having lost multiple games doing this exact thing and knowing its a bad idea its an all rime bad play

honestly i think it's you so im not that worried about your view of me

but if it's not you then you're doing just that :p

[Sleep]

honestly i think it's you so im not that worried about your view of me

but if it's not you then you're doing just that :p

i dont really see how you think that

[katze]

i dont really see how you think that

how i think it's you?

[Sleep]

yes

[katze]

okay well my suspicion of you has lasted multiple days so... it's not a new development nor is it something i've not explained

i think the wolves interactions with you are wack

i think you've pushed an agenda way more than HK

i get worse ✨vibes✨ from your posts

im not ironclad on it being you, because you do have a handful of posts i look at and think "this would be kinda wild for a wolf to write" but you have other posts where i think they fit exactly what w!you would write in that moment

i think your play today has also been jarring but i'm aware that F3 is its own beast and am trying to not let that sway me too much

[katze]

wait holy shit that emoji worked

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[katze]

aw

anyway i have a couple concerns on HK and do think that if i read both your posts from the perspective of "a wolf whos aiming to get to F3" HK fits the bill way more and that's my biggest hangup there. i think his confidence on the katze TR is weird as well but i don't think i'm going to get anywhere talking about that and his interpretation of my metas is pretty aligned with what i think of my own meta so...

if i listen to dead villagers most of them would probably tell me it's HK over you but almost none of them actually suspected either of you two very much so it's not exactly something i'm sure i can sheep

[Sleep]

okay well my suspicion of you has lasted multiple days so... it's not a new development nor is it something i've not explained

i think the wolves interactions with you are wack

i think you've pushed an agenda way more than HK

i get worse ✨vibes✨ from your posts

im not ironclad on it being you, because you do have a handful of posts i look at and think "this would be kinda wild for a wolf to write" but you have other posts where i think they fit exactly what w!you would write in that moment

i think your play today has also been jarring but i'm aware that F3 is its own beast and am trying to not let that sway me too much

i dont recall it happening prior to yesterday (game-wise)

the interactions with me are blatantly not w/w in any instance and idk how you could think otherwise

how do u differentiate "pushing an agenda" from "trying to find a wolf" when there is 1 wolf left? what distinguishes someone who is trying to solve from someone who is trying to eliminate towns? why is my behavior wolfier than simply going with the flow

(i have wanted to say "ur vibes are off" here for a while now but it'd come off as cheeky when i really don't want to right now)

[katze]

i dont recall it happening prior to yesterday (game-wise)

the interactions with me are blatantly not w/w in any instance and idk how you could think otherwise

how do u differentiate "pushing an agenda" from "trying to find a wolf" when there is 1 wolf left? what distinguishes someone who is trying to solve from someone who is trying to eliminate towns? why is my behavior wolfier than simply going with the flow

(i have wanted to say "ur vibes are off" here for a while now but it'd come off as cheeky when i really don't want to right now)

i meant multiple days calendar wise not gamephase wise, there might have been some tinfoiling 2 phases ago but idr

and like i said earlier. i need to revisit your interactions with ladd. i earlier agreed with you and thought EVERY FLIPPED WOLF commenting on your identity was clearing but i'm no longer sure if that's the case. i think your interactions with ender and vice versa are pretty wack. the jury is still up on ladd/you.

i've been almost exclusively reading D1/D2 wrt the "pushing agenda" thing for this exact reason and i don't know how you haven't noticed that

(they probably are, im here out of obligation and im still tilted about the fact this phase is playing out 48 hours)

[Sleep]

and like i said earlier. i need to revisit your interactions with ladd. i earlier agreed with you and thought EVERY FLIPPED WOLF commenting on your identity was clearing but i'm no longer sure if that's the case. i think your interactions with ender and vice versa are pretty wack. the jury is still up on ladd/you.

i dont care that i was wrong on ender. he was very obviously buddying up to me with everything i said. iwas wrong it happens. but those interactions are self-evidently never w/w. wolves dont act like that ever. i certainly dont play it that way. please try to demonstrate to me a world in which you believe those could be w/w. show me where you have seen mafia teammates act to each other the way ender and i acted.

this is to say absolutely nothing of how i am literally never ever with monstrdude, not in a million years. i did not want to invoke this but the fact that you are trying to use this against me is absurd

i've been almost exclusively reading D1/D2 wrt the "pushing agenda" thing for this exact reason and i don't know how you haven't noticed that

again, WTF does this mean? why am I "pushing agenda" because I had actual reads and pushed for them even if they are wrong?? why is trying to be active and have an opinion wolfier than hanging back and going with the flow?

[katze]

i dont care that i was wrong on ender. he was very obviously buddying up to me with everything i said. iwas wrong it happens. but those interactions are self-evidently never w/w. wolves dont act like that ever. i certainly dont play it that way. please try to demonstrate to me a world in which you believe those could be w/w. show me where you have seen mafia teammates act to each other the way ender and i acted.

this is to say absolutely nothing of how i am literally never ever with monstrdude, not in a million years. i did not want to invoke this but the fact that you are trying to use this against me is absurd

again, WTF does this mean? why am I "pushing agenda" because I had actual reads and pushed for them even if they are wrong?? why is trying to be active and have an opinion wolfier than hanging back and going with the flow?

i really can't be bothered to "demonstrate a world" to you right now, ask me later. i saw approximately zero clearing interactions between you and ender. plausibly some between you and ladd.

you and monstr can absolutely be w/w???? the dude clearly had a moment and you had absolutely nothing to do with it? he snapped at raskol. if you're going to say "ooo monstr said he hated me that's not w/w" then he said he hated everyone so clearly he's not wolves with anyone and his flip was tailored! wowee! seriously though. i don't believe for a second you believe that and it's not cool to bring up.

and i... already explained what it means. zzz

[Sleep]

i am an obvious villager and if you deny that you are a wolf

[Sleep]

and you seen to be grasping at straws for justifications

[Sleep]

@katze vote me

[katze]

i feel like i know exactly what you're doing lmao

and no, votes arent locked so it's not significant anyway

i've already said i'm not 100% on it being you

im an obvious villager and if you deny that, you're a wolf :3