Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
I think a lot of times we all think others have better meta on us than they really do. Time between games, dozens and dozens of other players to remember, etc all vying for the same space and we can't remember it all. I guess what I'm saying is, I think reads of "villager them would know this is my villa range" should be used few and far between and reserved to people that have consistently gotten you correct against the grain and have shown an understanding of exactly why they were correct.

For instance, if Visor voted me on day 1 because I seemed aloof or scatterbrained, I would panic about it. He's the person that I think reads me the best out of anyone on any site I've ever played on because he genuinely understands my process, ideas, and what I aim to accomplish. And he's done it over years, in really hard spots to be right on (he villa read me after I counterclaimed angel on the angel and got them chopped ffs). That's not to say Visor voting me day 1 in general would panic me (you feel things out in werewolf and its cool) but just with that specific reasoning due to meta. Pretty much nobody else would garner that reaction from me.

As for your vote on him, I understand your pov. You thought it was weird, that he should know better, and voted. I just currently don't think it's correct (I mean maybe it is, but I just don't think the reasoning was right even if so? if that makes sense).
That's reasonable.
From what I remember in past games, back when I was a lot more easily ML'd, Visor would use things that at least at the time weren't AI as a wolf to push a ML on me, so the thought that he might be doing something similar here immediately struck me.
That said, it would be quite understandable to forget my writing and play style after over a year of time away from mafia, so what would in a context where I never left Mafia perhaps be a valid case (assuming he and I continued playing in the same games during that time), I can see not being the case here.

That said, both you and now Dya are in my villa reads, and I trust both of your judgements on Visor than I do my own, and concede the unreasonableness of my position, so I will focus elsewhere.
Better to detach from that before I get into a deathtunnel that wreaks havoc on the outcome of the game.
If you, Dya, and Visor are all villagers, this game should be pretty manageable.