Casual december game

[Vulgard]

Then why are you suggesting he is pocketing you?

It was more of a reaction assessment than a read. I think he could possibly have been trying to pocket me, but I'm not sure. If I actually thought he was a wolf, I would be voting him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

The reason I asked this question is the complaint comes from a person who either believes or knows all of those people are wolves.

Because there was no villagery vigilance here. Just talking about them like EnderWiggin knows they are town.

And the answer to my query did not, in fact, enlighten me as to how he arrived at this conclusion in bold red.

[Kagemusha]

That's a mistake friendo. Look into it's eyes, clearly it has murderous intent.

I hope you brought your rope and pitchfork with you. Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out. But let us talk first and start hanging in a bit: Vote: Renata How has the world treated you all these years we have not played mafia together?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What do I have to do to get off that list?

Find four wolves not named Vulgard over the course of the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was more of a reaction assessment than a read. I think he could possibly have been trying to pocket me, but I'm not sure. If I actually thought he was a wolf, I would be voting him.

I do not believe this is true.

I kinda don't believe any of your process so far on day one on reasses and meta dive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

pls no

Vote:ATPG

S-s-senpai n-n-no.... pls do- do- do not... h-h-hurt pizza-chan

[Vulgard]

I do not believe this is true.

I kinda don't believe any of your process so far on day one on reasses and meta dive.

That's probably because I don't really have one, I barely have thoughts so far.

[Vulgard]

Find four wolves not named Vulgard over the course of the game.

I'm going to disappoint you.

[Vulgard]

This is how you play at 50% WIM and while meming?

[Csargo]

S-s-senpai n-n-no.... pls do- do- do not... h-h-hurt pizza-chan

I'm just here crying into my coffee, don't mind me.

[Vulgard]

The reason I asked this question is the complaint comes from a person who either believes or knows all of those people are wolves.

Because there was no villagery vigilance here. Just talking about them like EnderWiggin knows they are town.

And the answer to my query did not, in fact, enlighten me as to how he arrived at this conclusion in bold red.

I frankly don't like this line of thinking very much from you.

[Vulgard]

I frankly don't like this line of thinking very much from you.

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

[Vulgard]

Guess Ender could be mafia, though, in which case you are probably town.

This feels kind of useless to say because it's obvious and relies on a lot of preflips.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is how you play at 50% WIM and while meming?

Yeah I'm completely half assing it right now.

I have a lot of tabs open and only two of them are related to this game.

[Vulgard]

You've already done more than a lot of people I know would've done by now while playing at 100%.

Towny in a vacuum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I frankly don't like this line of thinking very much from you.

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

Guess Ender could be mafia, though, in which case you are probably town.

This feels kind of useless to say because it's obvious and relies on a lot of preflips.

"I don't like" is not a wolf read.

I can be mafia, I think you're town but, the push is "eh", I think Ender could have said as town, could be mafia, in which case I am probably town.

That's a long string of wolftells all at once.

[Vulgard]

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"I don't like" is not a wolf read.

I can be mafia, I think you're town but, the push is "eh", I think Ender could have said as town, could be mafia, in which case I am probably town.

That's a long string of wolftells all at once.

It's almost like there is nuance in mafia and not everyone has confident, binary reads on people ~12 hours into a game.

[Vulgard]

It's almost like there is nuance in mafia and not everyone has confident, binary reads on people ~12 hours into a game.

Multiple things can be true at once. I can dislike your push, like an individual post of yours, like your overall body of work but only in a vacuum, and have it add up to a pretty uncertain read. I'm allowed to have all these things influence my opinion, and consequently, I feel like the idea of hedging being wolfy is severely outdated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's almost like there is nuance in mafia and not everyone has confident, binary reads on people ~12 hours into a game.

Ah, annoyed sarcasm, we meet again.

Not villagery, but familiar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Multiple things can be true at once. I can dislike your push, like an individual post of yours, like your overall body of work but only in a vacuum, and have it add up to a pretty uncertain read. I'm allowed to have all these things influence my opinion, and consequently, I feel like the idea of hedging being wolfy is severely outdated.

Would you like examples of a wolf hedging in the exact previous game I played,
And the game before that,
And the game before that,
And the game before that,

With no breaks in between?

[Csargo]

Lean wolf
12. Vulgard
6. luvs2spooge
5. Ampharos
9. EnderWiggin

Why do you lean woof on Ampharos? Posts seem disjointed, but not bad from what I've read so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since you're already clearly annoyed, I will move my pressure elsewhere for today and give you breathing room.

But the wolf lean stays until something changes it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you lean woof on Ampharos? Posts seem disjointed, but not bad from what I've read so far.

I can grab the quotes... hang on

[Vulgard]

Would you like examples of a wolf hedging in the exact previous game I played,
And the game before that,
And the game before that,
And the game before that,

With no breaks in between?

I could do the same for villagers.

What are you trying to prove? I probably shouldn't have written that part about hedging, because this is going to turn into an argument about principles, which seems worthless to me and doesn't actually advance the game.

Ah, annoyed sarcasm, we meet again.

Not villagery, but familiar.

I mean, you're calling me a wolf for something I do every game and which I don't think is wolf-indicative to begin with under most circumstances. There's nuance to that, too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok it seems I have to do this like 8 quotes at a time, and then manually deselect them after.

This will take a few minutes Csargo

forgot the draconian limitations we have here.

[Vulgard]

Since you're already clearly annoyed, I will move my pressure elsewhere for today and give you breathing room.

But the wolf lean stays until something changes it.

You have no idea how accustomed I am to being wolfread, I hardly ever get towncleared for anything. The thing I'm annoyed by is your reasoning, because it seems like you're applying unreasonable standards to my slot despite not even knowing how I play (by your own admission) and treating me like a megawolf (by your own admission). Like, if I'm a megawolf, then me hedging this hard shouldn't be something I do as a wolf. And I don't feel like you should be expecting me to have hard reads on a ton of slots when the game has barely started (especially since you don't know how I play).

You're probably town for it, because the more I convince myself you're a wolf the more I feel silly about thinking that, but come on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ampharos iso and related posts supplementing the read:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

im retired

NAI

pizza are you ok

NAI

Vote: Logic

Vote which is supported later.

help i've never done a rodeo before

the horse is angry and i'm scared

NAI

NAI stuff

if logic's readslist is vibes-based, why does he then go out of his way to add "i'll let you guys figure out the reasons"

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason

strikes me as a worry that his readslist won't look legitimate enough without the implication that there's additional reasoning happening behind-the-scenes

Addresses the general audience, which is a wolftell of mine, doesn't engage Logic directly, so this is wolfy passive aggression.

If this is a villager sussing someone, then there would be some engagement with the target to determine their alignment as opposed to already pushing a conclusion toward the other jurors.

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I am now calling Ampharos my mindmeld townbuddy.

This is not a pocket attempt.tm

I believe Ender is a wolf so far, and this is wolfy defense strategy.

Supplemental.

cape and ender are the only actually funny people in this thread so they can be town

the rest of you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your souls

wait fuck i got tricked into actually playing mafia

this isn't persona 5 royal at all

I think this is bad acting. I can't use this as persuasive, but the post doesnt read genuine at all, it has a wolfy tone.

posts dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

Nonsensical and doesn't engage with someone that, purportedly, they are struggling to read, meaning me.

See next post:

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

All of the bolded are wolftells.

Please continue villaging if you are, villagers wolftell.

Now I ask a solving question:

To assist me in "NotWolfreading" you, please give post numbers or quotes of the things they said you found funny.

Do not tell me why you found them funny.

did you know i once got my car searched by the cops because they asked if i had weed and i said "probably not, no"

note: i do not smoke weed

Amy does not engage or answer the question.

In summary, mostly wolftells, bad process or nonexistent process, not engaging with someone they're struggling to read, not interested in resolving that person's alignment, speaking to the general audience (the jury) and passive aggressively pushing a conclusion with regard to Logic as opposed to solving Logic in a genuine manner by engaging them.

Two disengagements, multiple bad acting wolfy tone fake posts, loads of passive aggression.

Nothing villagery at all in the iso, period.

[Visor]

Hey csargo, kage

hope you fellas have been well

[Csargo]

Hey csargo, kage

hope you fellas have been well

Yep been going good, how's it going Visor?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have no idea how accustomed I am to being wolfread, I hardly ever get towncleared for anything. The thing I'm annoyed by is your reasoning, because it seems like you're applying unreasonable standards to my slot despite not even knowing how I play (by your own admission) and treating me like a megawolf (by your own admission). Like, if I'm a megawolf, then me hedging this hard shouldn't be something I do as a wolf. And I don't feel like you should be expecting me to have hard reads on a ton of slots when the game has barely started (especially since you don't know how I play).

You're probably town for it, because the more I convince myself you're a wolf the more I feel silly about thinking that, but come on.

I am not even voting you, so I do not believe your annoyance levels can be coming from a villager.

You're arguing with me about stuff that catches wolves every game for years. I will not be persuaded my methods don't find wolves.

I can be persuaded they're not finding a wolf right now, in your name. But this isn't the way to convince me of that, and the more you talk to me like I am a villager, the less I believe you're struggling to read my alignment.

But, I do not need to vote you today, as I find it vanishingly unlikely my 4 suspects are all villagers.