Casual december game

[hollowkatt]

So you can understand my concerns about you

sure, I guess.

and if I turn this around and say "dya isn't playing like anything I've seen them play before" your response is going to be "illness, kiddo, life" (in a nutshell anyways) and I'm sure you could see how I could respond with "so you can understand my concerns about you" to which your response, if you're town, is going to be "look, context is important please judge me by my content" or something to that effect.

Kinda feels like we could be talking past each other not with each other, but that is also a function of me not being here approx half the day D1 as well as our non-aligned schedules.

I think I can find you town if you are and I think you can do the same for me.

[dyachei]

sure, I guess.

and if I turn this around and say "dya isn't playing like anything I've seen them play before" your response is going to be "illness, kiddo, life" (in a nutshell anyways) and I'm sure you could see how I could respond with "so you can understand my concerns about you" to which your response, if you're town, is going to be "look, context is important please judge me by my content" or something to that effect.

Kinda feels like we could be talking past each other not with each other, but that is also a function of me not being here approx half the day D1 as well as our non-aligned schedules.

I think I can find you town if you are and I think you can do the same for me.

my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.

[Csargo]

Hardclaim Masons with csargo

So you can take that feather out of your cap bronanas

(The other post was just a joke for @Winston Hughes)

[EnderWiggin]

Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:

1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right

Luvs. Not said because they died but their thought process on you was good and I felt they paid attention to a few of the pushes and actually poked at it effectievly.

[hollowkatt]

my meta has changed drastically since having Amy. You may want to check out some of my recent games.

as has mine and yet when I explain why your response is "so you can see why I have concerns"

[EnderWiggin]

2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.

Sponging from people I townread heavily is a thing I like to do so eh. Nothing I can commit to yet anyway.

[dyachei]

as has mine and yet when I explain why your response is "so you can see why I have concerns"

you havent offered any examples

[Cape90]

I really fricked that up, especially if Wiggin is mafia

I feel really bad

Sorry Logic

Anyways, I will be here shortly and hopefully not panicking EOD again

[EnderWiggin]

3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic

4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.

3: My basis was built around how I felt like Logic was being uncomfortable in thread in a way that I thought fit with his wolf meta. I also thought he'd done a wolf tell with the way he occasionally popped in while others were doing things and then did like one post of fluff or low level interaction.

4: I don't know yet. I don't think wolves had a particularly strong reason to necessarily want Logic over me, and I'm going to be looking at my own wagon first for it. But if I were to point a direction I'd point at the subset of {Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata} - Gut wants to remove Vulgard but I am going to review that because Luvs had Vul as wolfy.

[EnderWiggin]

Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).

If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.

I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.

Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.

[EnderWiggin]

Does this work
@EnderWiggin

If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?

Can you devote massive hours to the game?

How do you feel about your solve? Confident?

If I didn't catch an immediate death next night, probably? I tend to believe I have a good ability to solve games.

Massive hours? Iffy and pending day-to-day. I'll be looking to spend several hours more towards the middle of this day phase but there's no reliability for future days.

I'm going to say "No" to that last line, given my number one wolf read just flipped town. I'll get back to you when I have the chance to seriously consider my position.

[Renata]

Ender, what were the intentionally scummy things you did start of day yesterday.

[Renata]

Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.

Why.

[EnderWiggin]

Why.

Limited town reads, wide scumpool.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, what were the intentionally scummy things you did start of day yesterday.

1. Naked vote for stupid reasons then dip.

2. Overt pocket attempts to anyone suggesting they had a townread on me.

[Renata]

Limited town reads, wide scumpool.

I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.

[EnderWiggin]

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.

Unless you can tier your POE having a wide POE makes for very open kill pool which is exactly what a scumteam wants.

It means if you aren't wolf yourself there are multiple ways they can pull you to get you to help them wagon a town.

[EnderWiggin]

It was unsaid but "Having a wide sus pool" as wolf has obvious benefits.

[Renata]

That's just going to happen, then. I'm not a strategic player.

Wondering right now how your talk about sheeping luvs correlates with Logic being town, you town-reading Vulgard (vague promise to maybe look at them later notwithstanding) and you saying you think Pizza clear. It really doesn't seem to.

[EnderWiggin]

That's just going to happen, then. I'm not a strategic player.

Wondering right now how your talk about sheeping luvs correlates with Logic being town, you town-reading Vulgard (vague promise to maybe look at them later notwithstanding) and you saying you think Pizza clear. It really doesn't seem to.

I never said I'd sheep Luvs reads.

In fact I explicitly didn't name anyone for the Sheeping question because I review others thoughts at best.

[EnderWiggin]

I said that Luvs had some of the best process D1 because of the way he poked at things.

Best process doesn't mean that I should sheep their reads. It does mean that I seriously consider it.

And as for the Pizza townread that is 90% allowing him his 24 hours of being treated as lock clear. I will give him his request and see what happens.

[Renata]

I think I misread, forget that comment.

[Cape90]

Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:

1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right

I was actually not too sure on the ladder, but the former I would say you had the on paper "best solving"

2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.

If I had to sheep someone, I would say probably Boq or Taffy, I do see that Taffy made a readslist, I did want to look more in depth in that to refresh myself on the game.
Spooge is also a decent safe pick if I change my mind since I liked their posts day 1.

3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic

To me Logic kinda came off as stilted and I didn't like their first pop in. I also didn't like a lot of the surrounding noise around Logic

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge


Blue: Mech clear
Green: Town
Purple: I am not revealing the order of how villagery or null they are. Consider all these publicly null.
Grey: Null because I legit have no read at all there yet.
Yellow: Top 5 suspects.

To point out the obvious, I do not think all wolves would have been on Logic here leaving a list of ladd/csargo/dya/monty/boq/you/hk/kage

Out of that group I probably least interested voting in Boq/HK/You (Pizza)
Most interested in voting Kage/ladd/Monty

4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.

When it comes to the Logic wagon, Ender and Vulgard are 2 names that come to mind, I do want to return to why I suspected Vulgard in another game Gravity Falls in the first place and compare to here

Taffy/Visor seem less likely to me then the others (not including myself)

[Cape90]

Renata is one of the last people I expect needs coaching as any alignment.

I am very unfamiliar with Renata so it would be helpful to know more. I know you suspect them but I felt it was out of POE since they were here last minute basically. Has your read changed? Did you have a more deep reason for suspecting the slot?

[Cape90]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

This is a good point out tbh

[Cape90]

why not?

the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it

[Cape90]

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming

I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh

Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.

Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one

POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.

I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.

[Csargo]

i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming

I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh

Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.

Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one

POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.

I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.

it is

[Csargo]

and I got scared