Casual december game

[ladd]

Yeah I did because I felt guilty about pushing Amy and ender

Sorry for being wrong.

its fine its fine

as i said its not crime


since you are around thought on the orgers?

i am fully caight up and renata/csargo both seem v villagery and kage seems >rand wolf by PoE but i got 0 meta on them

monty also seems more villagery than not

[Renata]

Lmao pizza

All that work to shoot me and be wrong

Maybe you should've worked with me at some point!

He?s VT. He didn?t shoot anybody.

[Visor]

He?s VT. He didn?t shoot anybody.

I suspect he got given the desperado shot

[ladd]

I suspect he got given the desperado shot

yep

[Renata]

But I?d really like to know what makes you think you can claim to be cleared.

[Visor]

no offense but how can someone as good as pizza misplay this so bad mechanically

he should have just told us clealry who he shot

200% agree I am very frustrated rn

its fine its fine

as i said its not crime


since you are around thought on the orgers?

i am fully caight up and renata/csargo both seem v villagery and kage seems >rand wolf by PoE but i got 0 meta on them

monty also seems more villagery than not

Okay, so I haven't played with Kage in years, but I did find his posts a bit stilted and Wolfy, felt like a rusty wolf

Csargo hasn't quite shown the depth of thought I'd like so far to lock him in, certainly been active and posting thoughts but nothing that I feel super duper confident in

Monty.... I'm feeling a genuine lack of montyness, he feels restrained somehow

I'm just not picking up a lot of townreads in general this game and I truly blame pizza for warping the entire game around him

Renata is probably self resolving

[Visor]

But I?d really like to know what makes you think you can claim to be cleared.

Because pizza is nothing if not egotistical and shooting me would killing me as a wolf would be a huge feather in his cap, especially when he just called me a wolf 20 times recently

[Renata]

That is not a read Visor.

[Visor]

I could be wrong sure, but that's my take rn

Also nobody seems to be able to give an actual reason for me being a wolf

Not solving: what the hell do you think I've been doing
Voting logic: so did 6 other people, why was my vote explicitly the worst
Logics case: dumb

Give me something that actually makes sense please

[Visor]

That is not a read Visor.

Of course it's a read

[Renata]

Because pizza is nothing if not egotistical and shooting me would killing me as a wolf would be a huge feather in his cap, especially when he just called me a wolf 20 times recently

Yeah no.

[Renata]

She’ll self resolve is not a read.

[Visor]

It's about as real as the read you've given me pal

[Renata]

You come in here trying to claim a mech clear you don’t have, you fake claimed three times for no reason except presumably to look quirky and carefree, and all of the reads in that last post are kinda nothing burgers with mine being the worst. There’s no way on gods green earth at this point you lack anything to say about me other than you expect me to turn up dead.

[Visor]

Sounds about right

[Renata]

Also, it's pretty clear I softed a PR and I am town so the wolves discrediting me idea is false from the get go, so Spooge found a wolf.

Vulgard would be the one he found, because he missed everywhere else for quite a bit I believe.

This is why I was trying to get Hollowkatt to talk about Luvs reads. Taffy?s idea that it was instead due to Luvs reading Hollowkatt as town is interesting and not actually incompatible, but not what I was going for.

I don?t know anymore if it?s true. Ender might be mech cleared (and if he isn?t, I don?t even know how to deal with that. I think we just lose and I?ll blame Pizza). And right before I left earlier I was about to post that I no longer really think Vulgard is scum. So like, was Hollowkatt right? It?s such a weird way of thinking to me.

[EnderWiggin]

Does this work
@EnderWiggin

If you mechanically became lock clear townie, do you feel you could lead this village to victory?

Can you devote massive hours to the game?

How do you feel about your solve? Confident?

Ender

If you are town

I want you to yeet Visorslash today.

Vote: Visorslash

You can't convince me that Pizza didn't shoot me.

*Shrug*

[EnderWiggin]

Also if Visor is town after that blatant attempt to claim the shot then idk what this game is.

[ladd]

villagers

ladd - lack clear

taffy - genuinely lack clear for their d2 posting and post 1375 is just never from a wolf

cape - the obvious villager by solving

vulgard - the obvious villager by solving #2+ i am a sucker for some of their more "emotional" posting and i buy it. also my guess for who got shot by pizza

renata - never played with them but they post extremely sharp and very direct. not trying to appease at all and notices/pushes things wolves don't imo

leaning villa

csargo - similarish to renata but a bit less strong. good thoughts/solving

dya - i havent been too hot in reading dya lately but i think the way they are making reads at their own pace and the SNARK everytime anyone dares to shade or wolf read them is >>>rand villa

upper PoE (mostly villa leans that i don't feel strong enough about)


boq- has done even less than me eheh. but when he posts i agree with everything he says just dunno if its enough to really move him up


HK - push on pizza d1 was villagery, d2 posting seems fine. keeps going after players who he should know will bite back (pizza,dya) which is rand iyam

monty - dunno maybe he should be the tier below but i bought some of his d1 posts (the yolo team guess, the pushback on ender). if ender is a wolf i think he looks ok


low PoE (null but leaning wolf by PoE)

visor - i mostly read visor by how much he is pondering different scenarios/being paranoid about the direction the game is taking cause ime thats his biggest villa tell. i don't really see it in his d1, kindaaaa see it in his late d2. couple of posts also give me the creeps (post about cape and 1 about monty around mid d2)

kage - ngl the formatting made me skip their huge post and the rest of the posts do nothing for me (and push on HK feels weak)

wolves
ender - refer to my big post
amy - refer to my big post+ their wall post feels like a wolf making a huge post to get people off them



this is where i am at

i still think we should flip ender. if he is not a wolf gimme the desperado tonight, like for real

if he is a wolf, always kill amy next

[EnderWiggin]

I want to say Ladd is probably wolf too.

[EnderWiggin]

Ladd still trying to push me when I was obviously the desperado shot is nagl.

[ladd]

You can't convince me that Pizza didn't shoot me.

*Shrug*

he made ~identical posts about vulgard

idk what he was thinking not claiming the shot


i even tried to see if he left some crumb or maybe if there was somehow a crumb in the video he posted but nothing

[EnderWiggin]

he made ~identical posts about vulgard

idk what he was thinking not claiming the shot


i even tried to see if he left some crumb or maybe if there was somehow a crumb in the video he posted but nothing

Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.

He never asked Vul to lead the town.

Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.

Find anyone else he asks that of.

Anyone.

[Renata]

A significant portion of dya's iso is either defending/explaining why logic/ampharos/vulgard are town. Is this normal? Does town Dya just defend their townreads a lot? Dya called cape and taffy v, but I didn't really see much else.

ender/hk/visor(?) woof leans, most of that centered around hk. I didn't see much about ender except can't read them and counter wagon. Visor lackluster()

Extremely narrow focus says woof to me. There's a lot of chatting with other players, but not really any takes on them that I saw. It honestly feels like I've missed reading some of their posts somewhere. The arguments defending ampharos/vulgard are reasonable good content-wise imo. I tend to agree with stuff like ampharos's demeanor, thoughts on why vulgard's townie, or hk being different.

Is this just how Dya plays as town? Did I miss some posts somewhere, because isoing here sucks?

My main takeaway from playing with Dya back in the day was that they as town would go very aggro on me (as town) a lot. The closest I ever came to being a town-led mislynch on MU was due to a Dyachei death tunnel. I?m not used to them being so soft, either on me (they basically haven?t commented on me at all) and I do read it as wolfy.

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh that's part of why I was caught off guard by the whole Vul shoot bluff he did.

Because I thought he was gonna shoot me since early in the day.

Part of why I was so annoyed.

[ladd]

Ladd still trying to push me when I was obviously the desperado shot is nagl.

you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!

but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot

i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2

but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard

[Renata]

Was supposed to be either on me or in general.

[EnderWiggin]

you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!

but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot

i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2

but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard

Help us lunch Visor then.

Like Pizza explicitly asked.

You even have him POE, what is your issue and why would you ask to yeet me instead?

[ladd]

Quote it. He made a statement that he was going to 100% shoot Vul.

He never asked Vul to lead the town.

Look at how he tags me and directly asks that if I was lock clear suddenly could I lead.

Find anyone else he asks that of.

Anyone.

he asked you to lead the village and tagged you 8 hours before he made the shot

he clearly had not made up his mind by then

if you read his posts before the shot there is no clear indication of who he is shooting

[ladd]

Help us lunch Visor then.

Like Pizza explicitly asked.

You even have him POE, what is your issue and why would you ask to yeet me instead?

cause you are easily my top wolf

if you got desperado'd and pizza didnt claim it itt it sucks but what can you do


again no offense but if pizza wanted to be followed maybe he should have palyed this correct