Casual december game

[Renata]

Renata's kinda defensive about Ender flipping woof:

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Doesn't mention Ampharos.

The first comment was popcorn.gif; the second was Visor related I think.

Ampharos wasn't relevant at the point I made that first comment. I was referring both times to the three last votes on Logic from Visor, me and Cape that put Logic as the lynch ahead of Ender. I think Ampharos by the time this happened was down to two votes and not in danger.

Tring Boq, Cape, Taffy not really explained

wooflean to townlean on vulgard no idea why. I didn't see any reason to change that read in their iso given how much time seemingly went into arguing the opposite.[/quote]

This is accurate, but is it scummy? Let's be real here, you're trying to characterize that giving no reason for a changed town-read on someone you (Csargo) are heavily implying to actually be town (since Ender in the above argument is scum and *somebody* got shot by Pizza yesterday) is scum motivated. It just isn't. This whole comment from here onward is you calling me "weird" (TM), often literally. Pizza would fucking shish-kebab you for this post.

My opinion on Vulgard changed throughout the course of the last day. He had several posts that dropped the hedgy wording and looked focused and interested and just real. I never got a chance to bring it up before real life intervened, and when I got back, the whole Pizza fiasco had happened and I lacked both time and motivation for putting together an iso to show why. So I just mentioned my switch on Vulgard in passing.

I'm never going to apologize or explain away a focus on scum reads over town ones overall. I know it's not the meta, and I know it makes for an easy push on someone in some context. I'm still not going to change until and unless I become comfortable with it again.

It is not scummy to focus on the scum.

Case on hk, and woof lean on ender all make sense to me. Arguments about visor were valid imo.

My arguments on Visor were hot trash. It was 90% tone read, strong-wolf paranoia, and Pizza sheepage, with just enough meat around the edges to hold it all together. The other two are not trash.

Feels like Renata kinda just wants to keep ender around while woof leaning them the whole time tbh. tonal stuff d1 to vote logic iirc and atpg fiasco d2 to say maybe cleared(?) I assume.

Switched off hk to try and protect Ender for some reason?

"For some reason", seriously Csargo. You're looking at my iso as you're writing this, it can't be that difficult to figure out what was going on in my head. I am certain I put in writing multiple times at various points about how I was conflicted about whether or not Ender actually was cleared by Pizza. I switched opinions at least twice, and at the end of the day was in the mindset that I didn't want to take the chance of making a compete fool of myself by lynching him if he was cleared town and I was just too stubborn about my own reads to acknowledge it.

Again here you are kind of TMI-ing Ender-wolf when if you are really reading my "weirdness" as scum-motivated, you should be giving at least a little thought to the idea that I might have been motivated by fear of pushing a lynch of a cleared townie.

Talked about moving to hk and people not wanting to go there.

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HK was a valid option imo.

I was in a world where I'm seeing both Hollowkatt and Visor as scum, and treating Ender as not. Both of them had voted Ender at one point to self-pres, and I figured I could assume they would both go back on that bandwagon again if they needed to. This is why I originally switched to Visor from Hollowkatt. I wanted to put some distance between Ender's vote count and the two of them, and since I was already on Hollowkatt, the only way I could do that was by switching. If this was MU with automatic vote counts and easy refreshing of the page, I would have switched back to Hollowkatt and then gone back to Visor at the last second if it looked like they were trying to save each other by piling on Ender again. Since it's the org instead, I wasn't willing to risk getting sniped without noticing. When Cape voted on Hollowkatt, my mental accounting had it as needing one more reliable (meaning not Visor) vote on Hollowkatt for it to be worth it for me to switch. That last vote never came, so I stayed on Visor.

If Ender is a wolf, going after me for yesterday's voting is 100% valid, because I did act to save him, and openly and transparently so. Doing so now, when he can still be town, and that's the only real reason in this entire post that you have for voting me? Nope.

Reads being all over the place is kinda whatever to me, it happens. Proclaiming to want one thing then doing another is just weird. When the votes were tied Renata moved from HK to Visor, and then later lamented how nobody wanted to yeet HK, while it clearly was a possibility.

As mentioned above, it wasn't. I needed one more vote. I probably should have just asked for it.

Woof reads were fine, town reads were lacking in their iso, at least in the why a lot. Treatment of ender really weird and EoD2 odd, posting generally fine imo, maybe a lot of pointless questions? Hard to tell tbh.

Vote:Renata

(Bolded in that last bit is mine.)

I don't know, maybe you are just puzzled by me, but we have here a post that is half trying to turn "she's weird and I don't get her" into a scum read and half "she was obviously trying to protect wolf-Ender (who hasn't actually flipped wolf)" and I am having trouble believing that it's real.

Right back at you buddy. vote: Csargo

[Renata]

There's a broken quote in the last post. The line "wooflean to townlean on Vulgard no idea why" is from Csargo.

[Kagemusha]

People switching to Visor late at the last phase would be good to look into before not too long. Hollowkatt is still the best lynch in my books and should have been lynched already yesterday Vote: Hollowkatt

[Renata]

If one more person had switched to the wagon he would have been.

[Renata]

Did you vote for him, Kage? (yesterday)

[Kagemusha]

I voted Hollowkatt and sticked with it. Visor was in the gray area in my books, while most of the last day phase he seemed mighty scummy with all that flip flopping.

[Renata]

Hopefully Hollowkatt is just right.

[Vulgard]

Okay, that's enough of that.

Hardclaiming Town Desperado. ATPG's role was a 1-shot desperado that gives its role to its target if the target is town. I was the target, so I now have the role - and I also have a shot, because it refreshes. I am going to flip vanilla town if I hit town, and the town that I hit will get another desperado shot, but will only be able to use it tomorrow.

Phew. That was a mouthful.

I severely doubted Ender yesterday for trying to clear himself from ATPG's shot because I had TMI on him not getting hit. It was me that was the target, so him trying so hard to get himself cleared felt like he didn't know how ATPG's role worked and was trying to take advantage of the lack of information to make himself look better. I was sideeyeing that the whole time, and I really would've preferred him to have been yeeted yesterday, not Visor. I think I even said as much in my legacy post from yesterday, but whatever.

Now I have a desperado shot, and before you say anything, I already know who I am punting it into. I am punting it into ladd. The reasoning is twofold: Visor said that ladd was snowing us, and a town!ladd getting shot makes him an IC, which I believe we need and which I believe he can turn into something beneficial for town. I would've shot Visor today had he not been yeeted yesterday, to the same effect. Also, remember that the town I shoot gets the desperado role and can fire a shot on the next day, so even if I misfire by shooting ladd, he can still take someone out - or make someone an IC - tomorrow.

I currently believe that ladd will flip mafia, in which case I will not die, but i will also lose my desperado and no one else will be able to become a desperado. But that's also fine. We need a wolf flip.

"Why not shoot Ender?"

I don't want to shoot Ender because I believe that Visor might've been right. He might've been right in that we are getting collectively snowed, and in such a world, Ender is likely to be a villager, as he's been wagoned for two consecutive days. However, if ladd is town, I believe you should kill Ender, because ladd being town makes the "we have been snowed" world less likely - Visor specifically pinpointed ladd as snowing us. If ladd is mafia, we will figure things out from there, as I will be alive.

I have alluded to wolves probably not having a role that can prevent me from confirming myself. Now I can reveal that this role would've been a mafia vanillarizer. Nothing else can affect this role at night, outside of outright death. I haven't been told that I don't have the shot, so I believe I should still have it.

/shoot ladd

This is unnecessary, but I just want to make it perfectly clear who I'm shooting. You know, after... yesterday.

Visor threw suspicion on Csargo, Kagemusha, Amy, and ladd as he died. He also did want to kill Ender, which I believe you should finally do if ladd is town.

Glgl. If ladd is mafia, I'll obviously continue posting, as I will be clear. If ladd is town, I die and flip vanilla town, while ladd inherits my desperado role, gets a shot tomorrow, and is also clear. Do not tinfoil my target if I flip vanilla town.

[hollowkatt]

People switching to Visor late at the last phase would be good to look into before not too long. Hollowkatt is still the best lynch in my books and should have been lynched already yesterday Vote: Hollowkatt

If one more person had switched to the wagon he would have been.

clearly it is in the wolves best interest to keep me alive for potential mistakes further down the road. Like ok, you've got a guy who draws wagons like drawing breath but isn't going over, it's not because he's being saved it's because it's not in their best interest for me to go yet.

[EnderWiggin]

Got a brief bit of time to look into things rn, break at work.

Time for me to do more sortin'

[Montmorency]

Summarizing my sentiments on the wagonomics so far, ahead of reading ladd for tomorrow:

D1

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The following should be the current tally:

Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (2): Taffy, Csargo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Ender (1): ATPG
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Kage (1): Boquise

Late-mid D1. Logic always a dominant candidate D1.

Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
Kage (2): Boquise, Csargo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Renata (1): Kagemusha

Late D2. Almost identical.

Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Logic (3): Amy, Ender, Vulgard
Ampharos (3): Boquise, Visor, Renata
Visor (1): Montmo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

EOD in 18 minutes friendos

Amp and Ender wagons appear. If Amp is maf, Boq looks good, though his initiation of the wagon could certainly be a calculated risk.

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Final tally. I don't believe there would have been any reason for more than two scum to sit on a wagon together for extended periods. So on the Ender wagon, Csargo-dyach should be antipaired.

D2

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Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Vulgard (1): pizza
Monty (1): Vulgard
Ender (1): Renata

Shortly after Pizza's reveal.

Ender (4): Renata, Vulgard, Ladd[/COLOR][/B], Boquise
Amy (2): Visor, Ender
HK (2): Kagemusha, Taffy
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): Pizza
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape

Nearly 12 hours later, Ender and Amy are once again prime contenders.

Ender (5): Renata, Ladd, Boquise, Vulgard, Dyachei
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Taffy
HK (1): Kagemusha
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Taffy (1): Visor

chillax friendos.

Late D2. The Visor wagon has appeared. I didn't think there were more than 2 scum on Ender D1, and there's still really no reason at all for scum not to spread out D2. Ladd may have one, or even zero, partners voting with him on Ender.

Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

argl, ninjaed by Boq

EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly

EOD movements. Boq unvoted Kage and Dya moved to HK. As in D1, we have a situation with two townie wagons, plus an alt wagon on a low-impact player.

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

Final consolidation. Renata from Ender to Visor, Csargo on Visor, HK back on Visor, Boq on Visor.
Monty on Ender (and Visor self-pres). Ender wagon is pure other than for ladd. :P
Kage wagon fades for self-pres and Cape adds to HK.
Amp again ends the day parked off-wagons.

Once again, we must not expect any wagon to contain more than two scum - though I do believe Visor was dangerous enough that he had at least one scum voting him for sure.

Ladd-dya makes sense for separating out from Ender wagon to avoid association.

HK scum is tricky because it can still fit with a large series of permutations.

Most natural pairings on Visor wagon are Taffy-Csargo and HK-Boq. Renata has been at odds with HK and Csargo, but that isn't dispositive.

Kage and Amp will remain wildcards until a second mafia is flipped, so we shouldn't focus there.

Teams of interest: Taffy-Csargo + Amy/Kage; ladd-dya-... teams difficult to assess from VCA, better to ISO dya;

Thoughts on the thread D3:

*Kage and Amy AWOL, and in case you didn't expand the VCA I count them as wildcards for now.
*I could be biased since I'm entertaining, mechanically, a Csargo-Taffy pairing, but Csargo and Taffy seem a bit frozen, tentatively reaching out for shades to keep alive (let me repeat how sketchy Csargo's unusually-assertive case on Renata looks in the immediate aftermath of the Mafia leader (ladder) openly parking on Ender in response to my call).

[Montmorency]

Correction: Amp was only parked offwagon D2, it was Kage D1.

One more team I want to rule out is Kage-Amp-dya. Small-brain world.

Sad thing is that few to no suspects are going to be NKed by Mafia, as they'll be attempting to break through to mech-clear townies from now on.

[Boquise]

Summarizing my sentiments on the wagonomics so far, ahead of reading ladd for tomorrow:

D1

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Late-mid D1. Logic always a dominant candidate D1.



Late D2. Almost identical.



Amp and Ender wagons appear. If Amp is maf, Boq looks good, though his initiation of the wagon could certainly be a calculated risk.



Final tally. I don't believe there would have been any reason for more than two scum to sit on a wagon together for extended periods. So on the Ender wagon, Csargo-dyach should be antipaired.

D2

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Shortly after Pizza's reveal.



Nearly 12 hours later, Ender and Amy are once again prime contenders.



Late D2. The Visor wagon has appeared. I didn't think there were more than 2 scum on Ender D1, and there's still really no reason at all for scum not to spread out D2. Ladd may have one, or even zero, partners voting with him on Ender.



EOD movements. Boq unvoted Kage and Dya moved to HK. As in D1, we have a situation with two townie wagons, plus an alt wagon on a low-impact player.



Final consolidation. Renata from Ender to Visor, Csargo on Visor, HK back on Visor, Boq on Visor.
Monty on Ender (and Visor self-pres). Ender wagon is pure other than for ladd. :P
Kage wagon fades for self-pres and Cape adds to HK.
Amp again ends the day parked off-wagons.

Once again, we must not expect any wagon to contain more than two scum - though I do believe Visor was dangerous enough that he had at least one scum voting him for sure.

Ladd-dya makes sense for separating out from Ender wagon to avoid association.

HK scum is tricky because it can still fit with a large series of permutations.

Most natural pairings on Visor wagon are Taffy-Csargo and HK-Boq. Renata has been at odds with HK and Csargo, but that isn't dispositive.

Kage and Amp will remain wildcards until a second mafia is flipped, so we shouldn't focus there.

Teams of interest: Taffy-Csargo + Amy/Kage; ladd-dya-... teams difficult to assess from VCA, better to ISO dya;

Thoughts on the thread D3:

*Kage and Amy AWOL, and in case you didn't expand the VCA I count them as wildcards for now.
*I could be biased since I'm entertaining, mechanically, a Csargo-Taffy pairing, but Csargo and Taffy seem a bit frozen, tentatively reaching out for shades to keep alive (let me repeat how sketchy Csargo's unusually-assertive case on Renata looks in the immediate aftermath of the Mafia leader (ladder) openly parking on Ender in response to my call).

quick reflection: taffy and renata were on both flipped main wagons.
Probably unpaired?

[Montmorency]

Monty (2): Csargo, Boquise

EOD1, final tally:

Logic (7): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata, Cape
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic , monty
Ampharos (2): Boquise, ATPG
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

The single best argument in favor of Csargo. In a perfect wagon spread on a near-perfect day for scum, why does dyachei become third on t-Ender wagon for a totally-impure wagon? Sure, maybe the low stakes of the day stirred dya to insure some deep WIFOM, but... Moreover, assuming an aversion to clumping fits well with the interpretation that in D2 below,

Late D2

Ender (5): Renata, Ladd, Boquise, Vulgard, Dyachei
Visor (4): HK, ATPG, Ender, Taffy
HK (1): Kagemusha
Vulgard (1): Amy
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Taffy (1): Visor

chillax friendos.

Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

argl, ninjaed by Boq

EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly

EOD2, Visor has been yeeted under the sun! He flips vanilla town

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (4): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty, Visor
HK (3): Kagemusha, dya, Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

dya wagoned onto Ender after ladd and Boq, but the concentration was unstable and so dya and Boq spread out onto other MLs by EOD. I refuse to believe that Visor's wagon was pure, given that he and Cape were the top in-thread threat to ladd, dya, and Kage at that time - and Cape paid for that with his life that night.

So to recap, it all makes sense if Boq is scum. Scum don't want to triple up when 90+% of the wagon threat is to townies, and they actively avoid bunching together D2.

I'll review the data on interactions later, hopefully adding in Kage interactions.

[Csargo]

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Cape, Visor
Ender (3): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty
Vulgard (1): Amy

EOD in 15 minutes

The first comment was popcorn.gif; the second was Visor related I think.

Ampharos wasn't relevant at the point I made that first comment. I was referring both times to the three last votes on Logic from Visor, me and Cape that put Logic as the lynch ahead of Ender. I think Ampharos by the time this happened was down to two votes and not in danger.




wooflean to townlean on vulgard no idea why. I didn't see any reason to change that read in their iso given how much time seemingly went into arguing the opposite.

This is accurate, but is it scummy? Let's be real here, you're trying to characterize that giving no reason for a changed town-read on someone you (Csargo) are heavily implying to actually be town (since Ender in the above argument is scum and *somebody* got shot by Pizza yesterday) is scum motivated. It just isn't. This whole comment from here onward is you calling me "weird" (TM), often literally. Pizza would fucking shish-kebab you for this post.

My opinion on Vulgard changed throughout the course of the last day. He had several posts that dropped the hedgy wording and looked focused and interested and just real. I never got a chance to bring it up before real life intervened, and when I got back, the whole Pizza fiasco had happened and I lacked both time and motivation for putting together an iso to show why. So I just mentioned my switch on Vulgard in passing.

I'm never going to apologize or explain away a focus on scum reads over town ones overall. I know it's not the meta, and I know it makes for an easy push on someone in some context. I'm still not going to change until and unless I become comfortable with it again.

It is not scummy to focus on the scum.








My arguments on Visor were hot trash. It was 90% tone read, strong-wolf paranoia, and Pizza sheepage, with just enough meat around the edges to hold it all together. The other two are not trash.



"For some reason", seriously Csargo. You're looking at my iso as you're writing this, it can't be that difficult to figure out what was going on in my head. I am certain I put in writing multiple times at various points about how I was conflicted about whether or not Ender actually was cleared by Pizza. I switched opinions at least twice, and at the end of the day was in the mindset that I didn't want to take the chance of making a compete fool of myself by lynching him if he was cleared town and I was just too stubborn about my own reads to acknowledge it.

Again here you are kind of TMI-ing Ender-wolf when if you are really reading my "weirdness" as scum-motivated, you should be giving at least a little thought to the idea that I might have been motivated by fear of pushing a lynch of a cleared townie.





I was in a world where I'm seeing both Hollowkatt and Visor as scum, and treating Ender as not. Both of them had voted Ender at one point to self-pres, and I figured I could assume they would both go back on that bandwagon again if they needed to. This is why I originally switched to Visor from Hollowkatt. I wanted to put some distance between Ender's vote count and the two of them, and since I was already on Hollowkatt, the only way I could do that was by switching. If this was MU with automatic vote counts and easy refreshing of the page, I would have switched back to Hollowkatt and then gone back to Visor at the last second if it looked like they were trying to save each other by piling on Ender again. Since it's the org instead, I wasn't willing to risk getting sniped without noticing. When Cape voted on Hollowkatt, my mental accounting had it as needing one more reliable (meaning not Visor) vote on Hollowkatt for it to be worth it for me to switch. That last vote never came, so I stayed on Visor.

If Ender is a wolf, going after me for yesterday's voting is 100% valid, because I did act to save him, and openly and transparently so. Doing so now, when he can still be town, and that's the only real reason in this entire post that you have for voting me? Nope.



As mentioned above, it wasn't. I needed one more vote. I probably should have just asked for it.



(Bolded in that last bit is mine.)

I don't know, maybe you are just puzzled by me, but we have here a post that is half trying to turn "she's weird and I don't get her" into a scum read and half "she was obviously trying to protect wolf-Ender (who hasn't actually flipped wolf)" and I am having trouble believing that it's real.

Right back at you buddy. vote: Csargo[/QUOTE]

I think I did say the tr stuff was whatever. I just noted that stuff tbh.

If the Visor read was 'hot trash' why did you move there? Instead of just staying on HK. Purely out of paranoia?

I don't think I assumed anyone's alignment in what I said either?

I have a high opinion of you. I was assuming you'd just throw out the pizza stuff as town, because there's no way we'd ever know who the shot actually was. I did see you say it was useless, but yeah I also saw the dya stuff as well. Then just go with your own reads, which were that all three of them were woofs in your eyes. So in a world where all three of them are woofs to you, your actions don't make sense to me. That's the majority of why I voted you, to see why you treated eod the way you did.

If you were treating ender as cleared then lol me I guess. I really thought you wouldn't do that tbh.

Unvote:

[Csargo]

Visor (6): Ender, Taffy, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
HK (4): Kagemusha, dya, Cape, Visor
Ender (3): Ladd, Vulgard, Monty
Vulgard (1): Amy

EOD in 15 minutes

This is accurate, but is it scummy? Let's be real here, you're trying to characterize that giving no reason for a changed town-read on someone you (Csargo) are heavily implying to actually be town (since Ender in the above argument is scum and *somebody* got shot by Pizza yesterday) is scum motivated. It just isn't. This whole comment from here onward is you calling me "weird" (TM), often literally. Pizza would fucking shish-kebab you for this post.

My opinion on Vulgard changed throughout the course of the last day. He had several posts that dropped the hedgy wording and looked focused and interested and just real. I never got a chance to bring it up before real life intervened, and when I got back, the whole Pizza fiasco had happened and I lacked both time and motivation for putting together an iso to show why. So I just mentioned my switch on Vulgard in passing.

I'm never going to apologize or explain away a focus on scum reads over town ones overall. I know it's not the meta, and I know it makes for an easy push on someone in some context. I'm still not going to change until and unless I become comfortable with it again.

It is not scummy to focus on the scum.








My arguments on Visor were hot trash. It was 90% tone read, strong-wolf paranoia, and Pizza sheepage, with just enough meat around the edges to hold it all together. The other two are not trash.



"For some reason", seriously Csargo. You're looking at my iso as you're writing this, it can't be that difficult to figure out what was going on in my head. I am certain I put in writing multiple times at various points about how I was conflicted about whether or not Ender actually was cleared by Pizza. I switched opinions at least twice, and at the end of the day was in the mindset that I didn't want to take the chance of making a compete fool of myself by lynching him if he was cleared town and I was just too stubborn about my own reads to acknowledge it.

Again here you are kind of TMI-ing Ender-wolf when if you are really reading my "weirdness" as scum-motivated, you should be giving at least a little thought to the idea that I might have been motivated by fear of pushing a lynch of a cleared townie.





I was in a world where I'm seeing both Hollowkatt and Visor as scum, and treating Ender as not. Both of them had voted Ender at one point to self-pres, and I figured I could assume they would both go back on that bandwagon again if they needed to. This is why I originally switched to Visor from Hollowkatt. I wanted to put some distance between Ender's vote count and the two of them, and since I was already on Hollowkatt, the only way I could do that was by switching. If this was MU with automatic vote counts and easy refreshing of the page, I would have switched back to Hollowkatt and then gone back to Visor at the last second if it looked like they were trying to save each other by piling on Ender again. Since it's the org instead, I wasn't willing to risk getting sniped without noticing. When Cape voted on Hollowkatt, my mental accounting had it as needing one more reliable (meaning not Visor) vote on Hollowkatt for it to be worth it for me to switch. That last vote never came, so I stayed on Visor.

If Ender is a wolf, going after me for yesterday's voting is 100% valid, because I did act to save him, and openly and transparently so. Doing so now, when he can still be town, and that's the only real reason in this entire post that you have for voting me? Nope.



As mentioned above, it wasn't. I needed one more vote. I probably should have just asked for it.



(Bolded in that last bit is mine.)

I don't know, maybe you are just puzzled by me, but we have here a post that is half trying to turn "she's weird and I don't get her" into a scum read and half "she was obviously trying to protect wolf-Ender (who hasn't actually flipped wolf)" and I am having trouble believing that it's real.

Right back at you buddy. vote: Csargo

I think I did say the tr stuff was whatever. I just noted that stuff tbh.

If the Visor read was 'hot trash' why did you move there? Instead of just staying on HK. Purely out of paranoia?

I don't think I assumed anyone's alignment in what I said either?

I have a high opinion of you. I was assuming you'd just throw out the pizza stuff as town, because there's no way we'd ever know who the shot actually was. I did see you say it was useless, but yeah I also saw the dya stuff as well. Then just go with your own reads, which were that all three of them were woofs in your eyes. So in a world where all three of them are woofs to you, your actions don't make sense to me. That's the majority of why I voted you, to see why you treated eod the way you did.

If you were treating ender as cleared then lol me I guess. I really thought you wouldn't do that tbh.

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