Casual december game

[EnderWiggin]

I was actually despairing at the fact that I think ladd was wolf and I was probably going over anyway so.

Vul confirming town makes me feel a little better about my worldstates. If Ladd somehow is town too then I'll accept going over because I don't think Ladd is going anywhere else but I'll try to make some sort of legacy. We should have 1 more day.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to put my re-read on hold just to see how this flips because fuck doing work only to see it wrong.

[Vulgard]

Thank god.

I want to point out one thing that you may or may not already have realized. If you say who you targeted, now that the mechanism of the shot is known, that person (if town) could be nightkilled. I don't know what happens to the desperado shot then. But this may be why Pizza didn't say it clearly.

That is true, but it's also kind of WIFOMy, because no protective role has flipped and it might still exist in the setup. Wolves are taking a risk attacking the clear. They didn't attack me, for instance, even though yesterday I alluded to being able to confirm myself today. Which I am doing right now.

This is likely my last post until a flip happens, gl.

[EnderWiggin]

Also the read I used to clear Vul on D1 proves to be correct again. I really need to stop doubting myself lol

[Renata]

That is true, but it's also kind of WIFOMy, because no protective role has flipped and it might still exist in the setup. Wolves are taking a risk attacking the clear. They didn't attack me, for instance, even though yesterday I alluded to being able to confirm myself today. Which I am doing right now.

This is likely my last post until a flip happens, gl.

Good luck.

[EnderWiggin]

I will defend myself tho.

I believed with all of the context evidence I brought up that I was the one shot.

[EnderWiggin]

(I also believe the context clues, perhaps intentionally now I know about the role, were pointing at me too.)

[Boquise]

So 30 minutes real time is enough for you to say I'm hard paired with partnering interactions, got it.

Yeah, I'm keeping my vote here b/c you're either agenda filled or fishing for something to save your own skin. Is Ender now town for you?

i dont see the stretch.
Our real timing ended up with both of us town reading each other after we had placed votes on each other

It can easily look like distancing tbh

[Boquise]

Vote Amy

[Boquise]

Placing my vote on someone I actually think is more close to how they approach games as scum than as town. Dya's protection is there, and I do think that makes Dya and Amy always the same alignment.

wolf!Dya would not protect town!Amy for too long because Amy is an easy misyeet in that case, and I reckon Dya as a wolf would want to cash in protecting Amy eventually.

I do not think town!Dya would misread wolf!Amy.

Hence both are either wolves or town together tbh.

[Boquise]

Really digging your grave, huh?

Let's recap D3:

I rally the thread around voting Ender, which I still am, and have been all game.
You bare-vote dya.
Renata votes you.
I remind her that there's good reason to think HK-Boq share alignment, where IIRC Renata has thought of Boq as town and sussed you for voting him.
You get super defensive and vote me, claiming that I'm saving my own skin (how? from what?).

The question here is if you actually believe in what you're doing.

i think monty is town through these posts (the one i am quoting and above). I think the way he is lying out the puzzle pieces in the open is town indicative tbh.

[Boquise]

Renata's kinda defensive about Ender flipping woof:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Doesn't mention Ampharos.

Tring Boq, Cape, Taffy not really explained

wooflean to townlean on vulgard no idea why. I didn't see any reason to change that read in their iso given how much time seemingly went into arguing the opposite.

Case on hk, and woof lean on ender all make sense to me. Arguments about visor were valid imo.

Feels like Renata kinda just wants to keep ender around while woof leaning them the whole time tbh. tonal stuff d1 to vote logic iirc and atpg fiasco d2 to say maybe cleared(?) I assume.

Switched off hk to try and protect Ender for some reason?



Talked about moving to hk and people not wanting to go there.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

HK was a valid option imo.

Reads being all over the place is kinda whatever to me, it happens. Proclaiming to want one thing then doing another is just weird. When the votes were tied Renata moved from HK to Visor, and then later lamented how nobody wanted to yeet HK, while it clearly was a possibility.

Woof reads were fine, town reads were lacking in their iso, at least in the why a lot. Treatment of ender really weird and EoD2 odd, posting generally fine imo, maybe a lot of pointless questions? Hard to tell tbh.

Vote:Renata

this re-affirms my town read on csargo and makes it a strong town read

Yesterday I tried to poke the stuff Pizza said about Renata to see how the thread would react, considering how they were not being suspected at all. I wanted to see how many people came to defend/town read Renata. Iirc only Monty and one more person did (need to check who that was). I was wondering whether this could thread spew Renata town or at least unpair her with the peeps who came to defend her. I'm not really sure what my conclusion is or how to interpret it, but I do feel like it is a key thing in the solve

[Boquise]

Ender (2): Monty, ladd
Monty(1): HK
HK (1): Renata
Renata (1) : Csargo

if ender is town, i think ladd could be scum, regardless of my own read of ladd. Because if Ender is town, ladd has strictly pushed only townies. This would mean that Amy is town too

[Raskolnikov]

Ladd has been killed! He flips mafia goon.

You may proceed.

@Csargo, @hollowkatt, @Montmorency, @Ampharos, @dyachei, @EnderWiggin, @ladd, @Vulgard, @Boquise, @Renata, @Totally not Taffy, @Kagemusha

[Raskolnikov]

Ender (2): Monty, ladd
Monty(1): HK
Csargo (1): Renata
Renata (1) : Csargo
Amy (1): Boquise

[Montmorency]

I was once again asking the thread to turn on Ender, and in response the players get all wack.

This is a more lost and fragmented Town than usual, huh.

Csargo >> Renata >> HK >> Monty >> Ender

And then Renata had to break the chain with the OMGUS.

I wonder if we could have ended the game then and there had Enderwiggin dropped in to close the loop by voting Csargo.

(I wouldn't be surprised if Mafia are setting up antispew through derailing conflicts throughout the day as Ender gets hard-bussed.)

[Raskolnikov]

Ender (1): Monty
Monty(1): HK
Csargo (1): Renata
Renata (1) : Csargo
Amy (1): Boquise

EOD in 34 hours

[Montmorency]

Csargo's post on desperado mechanics could be PIS from partnering with Ender, but honestly Pizza pretty-well softed that he would be hitting Vulgard, that there were multiple shots somehow - and then Vulgard softed a PR to boot.

What this means, of course, is that if ladd is town, and Ender is scum, and we do the smart thing and oust Ender, then we're looking at 5-3 with ladd dead and me alive. Or, I guess the Mafia gamble it all on ladd misfiring - a false ladd desperado D4 brings the balance to 4-3 on the spot.

@Vulgard , have you considered just clearing Ender please? Like, if you quick-draw on Ender and live to tell the tale, you effectively just cleared ladd anyway, whereas if Ender is town at least you're clearing someone with more consensus negative equity than ladd.

Please consider it.

[Renata]

this re-affirms my town read on csargo and makes it a strong town read

Yesterday I tried to poke the stuff Pizza said about Renata to see how the thread would react, considering how they were not being suspected at all. I wanted to see how many people came to defend/town read Renata. Iirc only Monty and one more person did (need to check who that was). I was wondering whether this could thread spew Renata town or at least unpair her with the peeps who came to defend her. I'm not really sure what my conclusion is or how to interpret it, but I do feel like it is a key thing in the solve

Blech. Even if the paranoia about Ender/Csargo in my response is misguided, Csargo trying to read me scum for being confusing and not fleshing out my townreads is not a good look.

[Montmorency]

NEVER YOU MIND

Sorry ender, let's get to business.

[Renata]

@Ladd has been killed! He flips mafia goon.

You may proceed.

Visor and Vulgard goats.

[Renata]

Heckuva timing with that post Monty.

[Montmorency]

Damn, Pizza and I shared most of the same D1 pings, and they've been thoroughly wrong.

Did I curse Pizza to a wack game?

But then Amp is probably town. Kage instead?

I suspect Vulgard will be getting protected again.

[Montmorency]

Blech. Even if the paranoia about Ender/Csargo in my response is misguided, Csargo trying to read me scum for being confusing and not fleshing out my townreads is not a good look.

I will admit Csargo looks worse for the structure of his case on you with Ender town. Or maybe better said, since Ender is town I believe your recursive pushes with Ender in the periphery are not a distancing stratagem and you are anti-paired.

[Renata]

All right, who tf is still alive.

1. Visor
2. Csargo
3. Hollowkatt
4. Montmorency
5. Ampharos (Amy)
6. luvs2spooge
7. dyachei
8. ATPG
9. EnderWiggin
10. Cape90
11. Ladd
12. Vulgard (still alive)
13. Boquise[COLOR="#0000FF"]
14. Logic
15. Renata!!!!!
16. Totally not Taffy
17. Kagemusha

Thank you for the !!!!! btw Ras.

[Montmorency]

I take that back somewhat, since Pizza chose a good town leader at least.

[EnderWiggin]

I am glad I'm not completely whack.

Someone said something about Ladd difference check with Logic d1 wanna think about that.

[Renata]

Ignore the partial tag after Boquise, fucked it up.

I'm primarily looking at Csargo, Hollowkatt, Amy (I don't pair her and Dyachei as much as Monty Boquise is if it all) but any or all of that could be wrong. Time to look at Ladd.

[Renata]

I will admit Csargo looks worse for the structure of his case on you with Ender town. Or maybe better said, since Ender is town I believe your recursive pushes with Ender in the periphery are not a distancing stratagem and you are anti-paired.

Is Ender actually proven town? He's not, right? Just likely to be.

[EnderWiggin]

Is Ender actually proven town? He's not, right? Just likely to be.

I am not mech town.

I believe Ladd's push on me should be good light but if you wanna believe he was bussing sure.