Casual december game

[Renata]

Also yeah I genuinely believe that Dya-Amy was a match, which I stated early in the game, so it isn't weird that I town clear Dya through my reason to town clear Amy. My initial post where I explain my reasoning with Dya-Amy pairing wasn't met with any criticism or head tilt. Iirc people even agreed.

But yea, out of context that post where i town clear looks bad.

Your day one progression on Dyachei is terrible in and of itself.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote Amy

I think i am being kinda biased here tho because if Amy is a wolf then it is such an in your face towards the naysayers tbh

No thoughts on Taffy?

[EnderWiggin]

Need to check Kage interactions.

That is my slate for tomorrow. I'mma sleep.

[Boquise]

Your day one progression on Dyachei is terrible in and of itself.

Nah

[Boquise]

No thoughts on Taffy?

No, not really. She has had a good townie tone but that's it. Like at D1-D2 she was a consensus town by the thread, I don't have much opinions tbh

[Csargo]

She was voted by four people yesterday including me, while a low-posting wolf was the main wagon from the first moment of the day. First pass, none of those people are scum with her. They'd want her alive over Dyachei any day of the week. The people are Dya were mostly clear or nearly so. So who's left? Amy? Kage?

I think Amy/Kage/Boq fit. I don't know why one of those names with Taffy could not be a team. I'm pretty sure that Taffy was as at a similar level to Dya until EoD, as far as posting.

[Csargo]

Vote:Taffy

[hollowkatt]

Also yeah I genuinely believe that Dya-Amy was a match, which I stated early in the game, so it isn't weird that I town clear Dya through my reason to town clear Amy. My initial post where I explain my reasoning with Dya-Amy pairing wasn't met with any criticism or head tilt. Iirc people even agreed.

But yea, out of context that post where i town clear looks bad.

it's not weird that you did it, it's with hindsight that it looks bad for you. Fortunately I'm currently leaning "looks bad enough to be good" as while you're an incredible player I have never seen you be that level of brazen with partners and given that when you'd written that Amy was being voted by Kage and Dya wasn't even on the table, really.

You did have Amy/Dya as matched way before Ladd flipped and I follow your logic on how you got there and how you got to the town read.

[hollowkatt]

Yes, but monty, renata and Taffy think it ain't valid soooo

I wolf read monty, town read renata, and null read taffy so frankly I'm not that concerned with how they think about whether or not the team could contain all of ladd/amy/dya

do we know how many wolves exist? I guess that's a legit question to be asking. 15 players would indicate somewhere between 3 and 4, probs safe to assume 4 meaning we're looking for 2 more.

I'm kinda here:
town:
hk
boq
ender
renata

unsure:
csargo

poe:
kage
taffy
amy
monty

[Csargo]

I think Monty is town.

[Boquise]

I think Amy/Kage/Boq fit. I don't know why one of those names with Taffy could not be a team. I'm pretty sure that Taffy was as at a similar level to Dya until EoD, as far as posting.

How do we fit?

[Boquise]

it's not weird that you did it, it's with hindsight that it looks bad for you. Fortunately I'm currently leaning "looks bad enough to be good" as while you're an incredible player I have never seen you be that level of brazen with partners and given that when you'd written that Amy was being voted by Kage and Dya wasn't even on the table, really.

You did have Amy/Dya as matched way before Ladd flipped and I follow your logic on how you got there and how you got to the town read.

well the thing is that looking at singular posts without context, then stuff changes tbh. So thats why I wanted to point it out. I agree that the post alone looks bad, at the same time... I have no tmi. Sometimes I will misclear wolves. It happens tbh

[Boquise]

I wolf read monty, town read renata, and null read taffy so frankly I'm not that concerned with how they think about whether or not the team could contain all of ladd/amy/dya

do we know how many wolves exist? I guess that's a legit question to be asking. 15 players would indicate somewhere between 3 and 4, probs safe to assume 4 meaning we're looking for 2 more.

I'm kinda here:
town:
hk
boq
ender
renata

unsure:
csargo

poe:
kage
taffy
amy
monty

idk about renata. Her way to push me is very bad, but i am more used to town pushing me like this than scum. Scum normally tries to fake effort cases on me tbh

also what do you think of my reason to unpair Kage with ladd? No one has said anything about it which indicates to me that I am correct and that I am currently robbing scum from a lhf yeet.

[Boquise]

like d1 consensus was that logic, vulgard and ender were all wolves
d2 was consensus visor, vulgard, ender.
I am pretty sure ender is town (and iirc people worked against me when I stated my town reads on both vulgard and ender).

Dya tried to make HK viable iirc?
ladd was cheering on my Kage push.
I find it unlikely that wolves in this position starts to push each other

Wolves should be within the people who were fine with the consensus tbh
People who fought the consensus within D1 and D2 are town I think tbh

[Boquise]

I could see dya, don't get visor tho. I don't know anything about town dya though, I don't think

Csargo here telling Logic that he disagrees with Logic's vote on Visor, but could see Dya be a wolf.

[Boquise]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

I dont think this is a townie post.

[Boquise]

The only person I remember trying to defend Logic is Boquise. He didn't do it confidently, but he definitely did try to change the wagon.

i am so cool tbh

[Kagemusha]

Ok. Lets have a look at the process how Dya was lynched.


Amy (2): Boquise, Vulgard
Kage(1): Monty
Monty(1): HK
Csargo (1): Renata
Renata (1) : Csargo
Dya (1): Ender


1st one to vote is Ender so hardly bussing a partner.


Dya (2): Ender, Vulgard
Taffy (1): Monty
Monty(1): HK
Csargo (1): Renata
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha


2nd one to vote Vulgard, who is confirmed town.


Taffy (3): Monty, Csargo, Ender
Dya (2): Vulgard, Renata
Monty(1): HK
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha


At this point Csargo and Ender move to Taffy, creates a question mark on Csargo. Renata 3rd on Dya which still could be anything.Ender later reveals his play there.


Dya (4): Vulgard, Renata, Taffy, HK
Taffy (3): Monty, Csargo, Ender
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha


At this point Taffy and HK move to Dya. Could be self preservation for scum Taffy, but this here shows i was wrong about HK. Would he in any real universe make a deciding push against his mafia partner? Rock solid town move.


Dya (5): Vulgard, Renata, Taffy, HK, Boquise
Taffy (3): Monty, Csargo, Ender
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha


Now Boquise joins up to make it 5-3 for Dya. Me thinks still so close that this is a town vote as well.


Dya (6): Vulgard, , Taffy, HK, Boquise, Renata, Ender
Taffy (2): Monty, Csargo
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha


Here Ender returns to voting Dya to make sure it sticks.


So conclusions based on this.


Town


Ender, HK


townish


Renata, Taffy, Boque


neutral


Monty, Amy


scummish


Csargo

Based on this im gonna. Vote: Csargo

[Boquise]

Nah. I did not try to change the wagon tbh
I am just giving my perspective and I find it more useful to vote elsewhere.

too bad i ruined my own cred tbh
what a wolf smh

[Boquise]

Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (2): Taffy, Csargo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Ender (1): ATPG
Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Kage (1): Boquise

EOD in a bit less than 12 hours. (7 PM EST)

light blue means i think they could be town, with various strengths.
so imo as of 12 hours left, we had just town being voted.
Likelihood of that?

[Boquise]

I wish I knew how to read ender but I always get him wrong when I try

I also think pizza is firmly in both metas rn. He hasn't done anything I think is strictly villagery or strictly wolfy

Dya not wanting to give reads on both pizza and ender, I think this cements ender town if there was any doubts

[Csargo]

How do we fit?

I don't remember anything that would not make Taffy/you possibly a team. That's pretty much it.

I tend to lean Ampharos/Taffy.

[Boquise]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

just me being simple, but I'm okay with it

I think visor/dya are town currently and logic is just a woof tbh

hm

Why did you think Dya was town here @Csargo when you previously stated to Logic that you think Dya could be a wolf? What changed?

[Boquise]

why not though? like at some point if you're town and you're convinced that someone else is reading you wolf when they should, by history/experience/whatever, be reading you town or at worst null isn't the logical conclusion "this person isn't pushing me in good faith"?

Like sure you said you've never been "so confident" in someone elses ability to read you but Logic appears to be stating Visor should be able to do that correctly (intimating So Confident) which makes that leap to "visor is a wolf" more of a legit conclusion than what you're arguing.

HK defending Logic from Amy. Giving town reasons to why Logic would act like he did when he re-entered the thread

[Boquise]

Should have wrote Visor instead of he, noted. I'll get to running.

super inoffical read:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

wolves tend to play along more with townie silliness like correcting grammar and stuff whilst town tend to tell the player to fuck off tbh

[Csargo]

hm

Why did you think Dya was town here @Csargo when you previously stated to Logic that you think Dya could be a wolf? What changed?

Because if logic was a wolf, then I didn't think dya could be one as well was what I was thinking.

[Boquise]

Damn i was hoping to skim logic iso find out he was still being wplfy and peace out for the day but idk about this one friendos

He got a lot villagerier imo

enderwiggin

This was my other early wolfread and i dont have time to catch up

Convo with pizza early on felt like he was trying to back off from the fight in a wolfy way without actually conceding the point iyam

I have seen wolves do it a ton of times when they dont want to get in a fight with specific players

This should also spew Ender town

[Boquise]

well shit gamers i kinda also think logic's town now

part of me just wants to shrug and hope ladd's right on ender but that's the part of me that got like 3 hours of sleep

i guess i should try to find an actual self-motivated read

[Boquise]

my gut is telling me to vote boq, which means he's probably town

lmao
Unvote

[Boquise]

Logic (3): Amy, Ender, Vulgard
Ender (3): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei
Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Boquise: (1): Visor
Ampharos (1): Boquise
Vulgard(1): luv2spooge

the question is if dya votes ender knowing wolf!ladd and wolf!csargo are already there
3 wolves on the same wagon.

I usually read this as town points for the unflipped player, which is csargo
That Logic is voted by Amy, Ender and Vulgard, only 1 flipping town, makes me draw back towards Amy being a wolf but I guess it could be pure, given that the counter wagon is a town (imo) and the second largest is a confirmed town too.