yeah so i left town for holiday stuff and wont be back till after eod
i am going to be literally unable to contribute today sry
wont be offended if i die here
Ender, Csargo, HK, please decide between Amp and Kage and give me a consensus of 3 votes between us. I have a few hours left for today. If it's not Amy, then it's either Kage-Boq or Kage-Csargo (Boq-Csargo is a defeat at this point). I've shown reasons to TR Amp and Csargo over the others via association and anti-pair analysis, but you decide.
It sure would be nice to have the ultimate sillypants rand of dya/ladd/amy/kage and wrap it up, but that's always felt fantastical.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Looking at yesterday. Little has changed, but Taffy was killed whom i had in the town side of things.I am ready to put Monty into the town based on the effort he made yesterday, which seems legit, while his conclusions were wrong.
Town
Ender, HK
townish
Boque, Monty
neutral
Amy
scummish
Csargo
My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo
Looking at yesterday. Little has changed, but Taffy was killed whom i had in the town side of things.I am ready to put Monty into the town based on the effort he made yesterday, which seems legit, while his conclusions were wrong.
Town
Ender, HK
townish
Boque, Monty
neutral
Amy
scummish
Csargo
My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo
thanks, I appreciate it. Csargo is the person I'm reading the most today, so far I'm not seeing anything leaping out as omg wolf but if what you're saying is true it wouldn't leap.
Looking at yesterday. Little has changed, but Taffy was killed whom i had in the town side of things.I am ready to put Monty into the town based on the effort he made yesterday, which seems legit, while his conclusions were wrong.
Town
Ender, HK
townish
Boque, Monty
neutral
Amy
scummish
Csargo
My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo
@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.
@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.
Kage-Csargo early game: Kage opens content-wise by RVS Csargo. He later comments on Csargo jokingly calling himself scummy to Pizza by RVS Renata and telling Csargo that
"Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out." Csargo does not respond in either case, though he does respond to a contemporaneous dya question about Csargo's shade on Logic and Csargo's meta thereon.
Kage-Boq early game:
Kage-Boq-Csargo D3:
I just don't have time to do these rn
Kage-Boq-Csargo D4:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Kage reads D3 wagonomics:
Townish
Renata, Taffy, Boque
neutral
Monty, Amy
Kage votes Csargo. Csarg suggests Amy/Kage/Boq. Boq asks about this.
Boq pushes Amy-Kage for the sake of TRing Csargo after having said "Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired." However, ladd-Kage interactions leave Boq at t-Kage. Boq points out Cape could have been killed for voting Kage once.
Originally Posted by Boquise
I feel like Kage was a vanity wagon made in hope to remove the oomph from the main wagons
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
kage on D3 never got higher than 2: amy/monty
Originally Posted by Boquise
A counterwagon gotta start somewhere - doesn't mean an attempt will always be successful. I think if Kage is town then Amy/Monty have higher scum equity. Monty has however been townsiding imo yesterday so I am more into Amy.
Like, remember how ladd treated my FoS on Kage. He encouraged it, gave it his blessings. I do not think he does that to a LHF wolf teammate. Ladd knows by now that it is easy to make me doubt by questioning my reads tbh
Kage-Boq-Csargo D5:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Kage
townish
Boque, Monty
[...]
My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo
@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.
Originally Posted by Boquise
mmmh alright, thanks tbh
Originally Posted by Boquise
Vote Amy
Ultimately, I think it is easier to solve Csargo than Amy and Kage
Originally Posted by Boquise
i have some updated thoughts but will wait to talk about them until tomorrow
kinda miffed that kage appeared to answer a question and then just dipped again. Makes me feel like theres some lurking going on
Kage offered no reasons for TRing Boq. Csargo parked on Kage D5, offered the terrible Kage/Amy solve, reasoning that "Kage's only engaged the game on the surface, and in the later phases with decreased volume that shouldn't be happening imo." (Kage had earlier made his case against Csargo for sheeping me.)
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Csargo interactions/associations are tangentially antagonistic, whereas Boq's are broader and more collaborative, engaging in shallow interactions and fishing for TLs on dya and ladd. Could be supporting Mafia manipulation of vibes around Vulgard, Ender, Visor, Amp, etc. Also, Boq popping in together with ladd at EOD to deflect from pressure on dya and keep the MLs on track. #1908 and the D1 dya interactions (see ISOs) work great as distancing theater.
Boq fits with ladd/dya much better than Csargo does.
However, Kage - who was basically sweet-spot POEed by both dya and ladd with zero direct interactions - Kage assoc looks bad for Csargo, though not necessarily good for Boq.
Csargo sheeping on Taffy D3/4 a bad look.
But again, that N5 kill. Why wouldn't Csargo kill HK over Amy? Or at the VERY least, kill Amy N6. In Boq's case, an Amy kill is a bad option IMO but at least I can say killing me or HK is a less-good option for Boq than it is for Csargo. But we're deep in the informatic-asymmetry quest here.
I still haven't finished ISOing Kage, but maybe for now this from D4 without progression leans me toward Boq.
Originally Posted by Boquise
Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.
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Originally Posted by Boquise
i am not sure why you completely remove amy and kage as a relationship, so you could elaborate there tbh!
But maybe this is why Amy died?
Originally Posted by Ampharos
leaves boq/kage/csargo to contain 2? and if i commit to boq/kage being unpaired, then
Vote: Csargo
mafia is so easy(?)
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Re: Casual december game
Originally Posted by Boquise
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