Casual december game

[Boquise]

@hollowkatt

Looking at yesterday. Little has changed, but Taffy was killed whom i had in the town side of things.I am ready to put Monty into the town based on the effort he made yesterday, which seems legit, while his conclusions were wrong.

Town


Ender, HK


townish


Boque, Monty


neutral


Amy


scummish


Csargo

My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo

what do you mean like monty yesterday @Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

what do you mean like monty yesterday @Kagemusha

@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.

[Boquise]

@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.

mmmh alright, thanks tbh

[Montmorency]

Kage-Csargo early game: Kage opens content-wise by RVS Csargo. He later comments on Csargo jokingly calling himself scummy to Pizza by RVS Renata and telling Csargo that
"Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out." Csargo does not respond in either case, though he does respond to a contemporaneous dya question about Csargo's shade on Logic and Csargo's meta thereon.

Kage-Boq early game:

Kage-Boq-Csargo D3:

I just don't have time to do these rn


Kage-Boq-Csargo D4:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Kage reads D3 wagonomics:

Townish


Renata, Taffy, Boque


neutral


Monty, Amy

Kage votes Csargo. Csarg suggests Amy/Kage/Boq. Boq asks about this.

Boq pushes Amy-Kage for the sake of TRing Csargo after having said "Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired." However, ladd-Kage interactions leave Boq at t-Kage. Boq points out Cape could have been killed for voting Kage once.

I feel like Kage was a vanity wagon made in hope to remove the oomph from the main wagons

kage on D3 never got higher than 2: amy/monty

A counterwagon gotta start somewhere - doesn't mean an attempt will always be successful. I think if Kage is town then Amy/Monty have higher scum equity. Monty has however been townsiding imo yesterday so I am more into Amy.

Like, remember how ladd treated my FoS on Kage. He encouraged it, gave it his blessings. I do not think he does that to a LHF wolf teammate. Ladd knows by now that it is easy to make me doubt by questioning my reads tbh

Kage-Boq-Csargo D5:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

townish
Boque, Monty
[...]
My vote is the same as yesterday. Csargo is flying under the radar. Leaving reasoning for his votes to other people, like Monty yesterday. You should look at him closer and draw the right conclusions. Vote: Csargo

what do you mean like monty yesterday @Kagemusha

@Boquise Sorry, English is not my native language, so sometimes my sentences can be quite confusing. What i mean is that yesterday Csargo was using Monty?s reasoning for his voting. Hiding behind it. Earlier he was using Visor?s reasoning, which enabled him to fly under the radar, since the decision making process is not his own. You can find my reasoning from post #2508 where im placing you at that scale based on your voting behaviour concerning Dya?s lynch.

mmmh alright, thanks tbh

Vote Amy

Ultimately, I think it is easier to solve Csargo than Amy and Kage

i have some updated thoughts but will wait to talk about them until tomorrow

kinda miffed that kage appeared to answer a question and then just dipped again. Makes me feel like theres some lurking going on

Kage offered no reasons for TRing Boq. Csargo parked on Kage D5, offered the terrible Kage/Amy solve, reasoning that "Kage's only engaged the game on the surface, and in the later phases with decreased volume that shouldn't be happening imo." (Kage had earlier made his case against Csargo for sheeping me.)

[Montmorency]

Csargo interactions/associations are tangentially antagonistic, whereas Boq's are broader and more collaborative, engaging in shallow interactions and fishing for TLs on dya and ladd. Could be supporting Mafia manipulation of vibes around Vulgard, Ender, Visor, Amp, etc. Also, Boq popping in together with ladd at EOD to deflect from pressure on dya and keep the MLs on track. #1908 and the D1 dya interactions (see ISOs) work great as distancing theater.
Boq fits with ladd/dya much better than Csargo does.

However, Kage - who was basically sweet-spot POEed by both dya and ladd with zero direct interactions - Kage assoc looks bad for Csargo, though not necessarily good for Boq.

Csargo sheeping on Taffy D3/4 a bad look.

But again, that N5 kill. Why wouldn't Csargo kill HK over Amy? Or at the VERY least, kill Amy N6. In Boq's case, an Amy kill is a bad option IMO but at least I can say killing me or HK is a less-good option for Boq than it is for Csargo. But we're deep in the informatic-asymmetry quest here.

I still haven't finished ISOing Kage, but maybe for now this from D4 without progression leans me toward Boq.

Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.
\

i am not sure why you completely remove amy and kage as a relationship, so you could elaborate there tbh!

But maybe this is why Amy died?

leaves boq/kage/csargo to contain 2? and if i commit to boq/kage being unpaired, then

Vote: Csargo

mafia is so easy(?)

[Csargo]

I didn't sheep anyone onto Taffy, pretty sure I made a few posts surrounding why I was voting there. No reason for me to kill Renata to shade Boq, when Renata was tring me, and I could just keep them around to push Boq. Then just have two townies duking it out to distract people.

I don't really have a PoE outside of you tbh, I expect to die here today hopefully.

[Boquise]

like i know i played terribly this game and i am ready to get roasted in dvc. I should have jumped back and voted Kage instead of leveling myself with the ladd stuff, and level myself with how Kage unnecessarily popped into the thread to make questionable posts, and to look at the vc and conclude that if both amy and ender are town then the logic wagon is pure, which I did not think it is.

[Boquise]

Monty. If you are town. You are drowning me with text where I dont know where to start and I am too unmotivated to try to parce it.

[Boquise]

I didn't sheep anyone onto Taffy, pretty sure I made a few posts surrounding why I was voting there. No reason for me to kill Renata to shade Boq, when Renata was tring me, and I could just keep them around to push Boq. Then just have two townies duking it out to distract people.

I don't really have a PoE outside of you tbh, I expect to die here today hopefully.

how can you expect to die today when the votes are on me and ender and hk have all declared their full intention to vote me out because they think I am the likeliest wolf? Like where does this expectation come from? Monty two-siding it?

[Raskolnikov]

EOD in 4 hours.

Last tally's still valid

[Boquise]

Either way,
Csargo has not set-up a lylo for himself, which he must have wanted to do considering he and Kage voted each other and then he is not even trying to rake in the credit of the votes.
Monty has set-up a lylo for himself where he lives.

I will return to vote
Vote Monty

What pauses me on Csargo is that I am putting my mind in the same situation as I did yesterday, when I decided to not vote Kage. Plus Csargo expecting himself to be voted out today doesnt sound like a real thought.