Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Raskolnikov]

Sup Dya.What's the case on illario?

[dyachei]

Sup Dya.What's the case on illario?

i didnt like him talking about how wisdom or cape has solved the game

that post pinged me a lot

[illario]

so ig ender and dya is unlikely a w/w pairing

[dyachei]

so ig ender and dya is unlikely a w/w pairing

why's that?

[Vulgard]

in my mountainous game dz wasn’t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn’t hard to follow

he’s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don’t associate that with his wolf game

also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too

you're making his wolfgame sound really bad and i don't think it is? @robyn

I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.

bolded is more or less the main reason i suspect him, he did something similar when we wolfed together in an em subforum game a few months back on MU

we went for a hard distancing strategy between each other as a team but he was largely just chilling

[robyn]

my read accuracy is comparatively good

[Raskolnikov]

ladd did a good job of summing up rask in that post. also saw this earlier which i thought was a bit of a pingy sequence in worlds where wisdom is town and boq isnt. like i sorta expect if he genuinely thinks he can see a boq world as wolf then that should put some pause in his wisdom read but yeah tldr: the sequence of voting wisdom but then saying u can see a world where the person most likely not to be a wolf with wisdom without then going to re-evaluate the wisdom read feels kinda iffy.

but yeah still not enough to undo my earlier townread on rask. so i suppose ive had a very similar dilemma with rask in my head where i think his posting and tone has been towny but there still been moments of iffyness and ladd having a similar process there was enough to pocket me ig.

This is the sole content post before I posted that:

That is the first post I side-eye in this game

but knowing how Wis usually posts as town and how they can get scum read by phrasings like that, I am leaning to town read that

Is that convoluted tr never ww?

[illario]

why's that?

well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

[Vulgard]

his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him

[illario]

his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him

i think you would have an easier time solving me if you stopped trying to force me and robyn as a dichotomy in your head

[Vulgard]

well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

i actually like this logic though

i don't necessarily agree with it but i think it'd be difficult to come up with on the fly as a wolf

then again illario is a great wolf

[dyachei]

well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

you realize im voting you for the same reason as i was voting boq earlier, right?

[Vulgard]

i think you would have an easier time solving me if you stopped trying to force me and robyn as a dichotomy in your head

i just consistently find the way you're approaching that slot wolfy

[Vulgard]

Vote: illario

[Raskolnikov]

wisdom/cape probs the closest to solving the game atm if theyre villas so id kinda leave both be probs

found it dya. high equity with both of them

[dyachei]

like it makes no sense to me that you're approaching this as a dichotomy with ender's vote on you because you were the one that pointed out the post that pinged me was by you, not boq. So you should see that relating it to ender's vote on you means absolutely nothing as either alignment

[illario]

you realize im voting you for the same reason as i was voting boq earlier, right?

yeah but the timing just doesnt feel right to me and im not even sure why thats scummy to you? like why do you think as a wolf i would just bring your attention to that as casually as i did? (i suppose it could be wifom but eh)

idk just feels like you're missing some steps in the process, like what about the quote that wisdom/cape might be closer than others to solving the game is so scummy that it warrants a vote despite whoever says it. i think my reasoning makes sense, it wouldnt make sense for boq to say it because both of them were pushing boq. but it would make sense for me to say it since it was more aligned to my reads than others had been at the time. so why is that quote so scummy despite whoever says it iyo?

[Raskolnikov]

nutella and Syn at 69 posts since 12 hours or so...

[illario]

found it dya. high equity with both of them

bro you gotta realise that people liking others doesnt always equal equity lol. in fact im more likely to shade and push partners if i think the thread perceives them as wolfy

[illario]

like it makes no sense to me that you're approaching this as a dichotomy with ender's vote on you because you were the one that pointed out the post that pinged me was by you, not boq. So you should see that relating it to ender's vote on you means absolutely nothing as either alignment

where did i say it was dichotomy though? i just said ur not likely partners

[Raskolnikov]

bro you gotta realise that people liking others doesnt always equal equity lol. in fact im more likely to shade and push partners if i think the thread perceives them as wolfy

I didn't say it always does smh. But I think Wisdom is a wolf so I am taking note. Might be AI for dya too down the road depending flips. What's up?

[illario]

people arent gonna like this and itll probably garner more votes on me, but now that ive read some of nutella and achros posts i realised this post isnt good at all:

Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard

so like, atm the only possible hit in there might be boq? i dont have enough strong feelings on boq yet to say confidently either way

which makes me kinda sideye dyas push on me even more cos i think they realised it wasnt a good solve and was using that to perhaps justify a push on me. I think what makes it most concerning is that there was a lack of attention to detail that is probably more wolfy than not. Like, i still havent gotten a proper answer as to why thinking wisdom/cape had decent solves was such a wolfy post, but if it truly was that wolfy id sorta expect dya to have not really mixed up who said the post to begin with...cos like usually when someone makes a scummy post i tend to look out at their other posts too to see if they just made one bad post or to see if they are scummy in general. I dont really feel like dya did that or put much thought into the process behind arriving at their vote. and yeah they can be busy irl so ive been cutting them some slack there, esp since i really like being town together with dya or else i probably would have been more inclined to vote there sooner but it is getting harder and harder to find if thats really the case here.

[illario]

idk if ill be here eod, so yah soz if wrong ig

dyachei

[illario]

vote: dyachei

[EnderWiggin]

I have stayed up to see the universe slowly unfold and within there was a naked man. This man looked me in the eyes, calmly and unbotheredly typing a mafia post, and he spoke to me.

And woe, those words undid me. For he looked at me and as he spoke, I understood that there-within the truth of mafia dost unfold in front of me.

Three sacred words have stuck with me to this day.

"Lol Skill Issue."

[EnderWiggin]

On one hand this is probably the most confident I have ever been that I've caught illario.

On the other hand I have never caught illario as mafia.

[ladd]

ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all

[EnderWiggin]

ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all

Same.

[EnderWiggin]

illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.

[ladd]

i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???