Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[nebjiamn]

Votes as of Post #838 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (3) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard
Wisdom (1) Raskolnikov
Lapras (1) Nutella
Vulgard (1) Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario

[robyn]

Vote: Wisdom

might not be on for eod and i’ll give illario another day

[ladd]

vote:wisdom

[ladd]

ill be afk in a bit but i should be able to make last 30 mins of the day or so

v
ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella

feel v confident there are all villas and i am weirdly confident visor is a villager too evne tho i am not gonna add him to the list above cause objectively he could still be a wolf

rest is a bit up in the air

[robyn]

i have exact list of towns as ladd + dz - ladd

interesting

[robyn]

i know my gamestate read is correct

therefore ladd is townsiding

therefore ladd town?

[robyn]

would wolf ladd ruthlessly townside?

[robyn]

8:15am i haven’t slept

[robyn]

ladd
vul
cape
rask
syn
nutella
robyn
dz

one in ender/illario

am i just correct in thinking that this is the gamestate

wolves got boned if so

[dyachei]

where did i say it was dichotomy though? i just said ur not likely partners

not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

[ladd]

not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

i think illario was simply saying that he agreed with wisdom/cape reads this game the most

[ladd]

i mean he could be a wolf but imo thats a pretty classic illario post and nai for him

[dyachei]

i mean he could be a wolf but imo thats a pretty classic illario post and nai for him

sure, maybe...but his response to my suspicion of him also makes me think he's a wolf at this point

[nutella]

catching up, at around p700

glad to see ladd come in with reads and be townladd

v
ladd
cape
vulgard
nutella
syn

visor
rask
wisdom

illario

skipped their posts

robyn
achro
lapras

not v

ender
dya
boq


here is v lazily where i am at

bbl

was meant to answer illario post obv


game feels like medium difficulty. if you want a "spicy" take is ender/boq w/W and nutella/wisdom/syn v/v/v

dunno if those are even considered spicy but i saw the second trio get pushed a bunch

at some point felt like they were trying to imitate their last villa game here a couple of months ago but without the same GUSTO

but in the end i think they are villagery enuf

part of why i have wisdom high is cause idt they are w/w with boq and boq read there feels either tmi or right

some of wisdom posts were weird but i also ended up thinking they are more likely v than not independently. the boq stuff just makes me feel better about it

the stuff about you does feel more villagery than not overall and their posting feels careless in a way i associate with their villa game



genuinely havent read achro posts at all


vulgard is the most consistently player who appears to be geuninley solving without agenda. ngl i kidna just wrote them off as v at some point and stopped paying too much attention to their posting. feel p good about them being v

idk why i mqed these i was just enjoying ladd doing his thing

dont agree with him on boq though, where he is posting again after this it still looks like hes prob town


lapras may be improving, will have to see a bit more


ender is becoming a hotter topic, i have a bit of history of misreading ender as kinda wolfy when he's town and his chillness so far i think is pretty nai. he can become more impactful later in the game and valuable as town so i think i very lightly oppose voting there for today but it depends how i feel about other possibilities too


i have no clue what visor has been doing at any point. he seems to pop in randomly without having read and contribute nothing

[ladd]

tbh i am not ultra convinced on any vote

i could see illario being a wolf but i prob wont be the one to vote him out today

and with this i really bid adieu

[nutella]

in my mountainous game dz wasn?t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn?t hard to follow

he?s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don?t associate that with his wolf game

also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too

is he really though

Vote: illario

Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.

I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."

So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.

hmmmmmm


why can't i quote or multiquote 771 the site is breaking

anyway this illario thing is some finally AI content for ender and i am not sure which way....which maybe makes it not AI lol but it feels like it should be

[nutella]

okay PLEASE how do i clear old multiquotes the site is literally not letting me quote new posts anymore i hate this

[nutella]

ugh okay i logged out and back in and it works now

dinosaur ass site

I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?

But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.

But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.

Robyn is managing to stand on the line where their alignment is on either side and refuses to jump to either side.

anyway these posts are towny for ender i thiiiink


the illario read is like, weird to me, sounds pretty weak, but feels more likely a real thought

[nebjiamn]

Votes as of Post #857 -- Day ends at 7PM EST, about 6 hours and 10 mins from this post


Illario (3) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Vulgard (1) Syn
EnderWiggin (1) Cape90
Robyn (1) Visor
dyachei (1) Illario

No vote/Unvoted: Achro Boquise Lapras Wisdom

[nutella]

Syn and Vul are so town that they towned the town in towning mctownerson.

This is all.

yes

i just realised all of this can be easily summarised with:

"if you're town im struggling to see how anything you have done so far has advanced towns win con in any way, and that is something i expect you can and should be able to do as town"

can't decide how i feel about this read on robyn from illario. i both agree with it and find it uninspiring lol

well if you're a wolf then i think its more likely you saw enders vote on me and saw that as a good time to swap onto me as opposed to the both of you as w/w w collectively pushing me here as wolves when its probably just easier to hop onto the wisdom or boq dichotomy thats formed since atleast one of them has to be a villa in a you/ender w/w world. I think as that pairing yall would only jump on me here if you already had some traction started from other villas already. and unless im misremembering the vote count i dont think i have any other votes on me atm.

this is a p solid thought though

his posting about robyn just now is probably his best posting because i was thinking about robynslot myself

that said the reasoning itself doesn't sit right with me because i have recent experience with a town!robyn who largely trolled, which would indeed be not advancing town's wincon but would still be town

also the reasoning of 'not advancing town's wincon' is something wolves like to use, context is obviously crucial and in the right context it can be villagery to use this argument but i think in this context it's wolfy

now i shouldn't expect illario to know every single game that robyn has ever played but that's yet another angle/push of his that seems wolfy to me, even ignoring that game robyn played that i've just mentioned i think applying the 'not advancing town's wincon' type of logic to this player is inherently flawed because of how robyn plays (some whimsy and a fair bit of sitting back after giving reads)

i'm going to look very silly if he's right but regardless i don't like this approach from him

vulgard keeps articulating everything i'm thinking

[getting locked out of multiquoting again but imagine i quoted the next post where vulgard literally mindmelds AGAIN with me on the above illario post making sense/maybe hard to fake logic]


why does this site suck so much ass lmao

[nutella]

yeah but the timing just doesnt feel right to me and im not even sure why thats scummy to you? like why do you think as a wolf i would just bring your attention to that as casually as i did? (i suppose it could be wifom but eh)

idk just feels like you're missing some steps in the process, like what about the quote that wisdom/cape might be closer than others to solving the game is so scummy that it warrants a vote despite whoever says it. i think my reasoning makes sense, it wouldnt make sense for boq to say it because both of them were pushing boq. but it would make sense for me to say it since it was more aligned to my reads than others had been at the time. so why is that quote so scummy despite whoever says it iyo?

wait nvm this makes no sense at all lmao

[Syn]

my tired work brain thinks wisdoms recent posts are decent

i will forgive you due to fatigue

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom

Because I found him being "funny but dismissive" (as in the bla bla deez nutz post) to remind me of something from last game.

And yes, last game I wolf read him d1, got n1'd and he wo, so I should obviously trust myself more than others. But he won because people tr'd how he treated his wolf mates, today people has called him town based on his play. In addition, I find his deflation towny regardless of what others think about me reading people that way.

@ladd

[Wisdom]

vote: Wisdom

Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.

Smh Rask if you're town here (this is a towny post at least) I have no idea what you're doing. I found you si obviously town last time. Do you think it weird that I don't see that here?

[Syn]

I was gonna bring up a point that Syn has also been saying things with a good amount of confidence and sent that to ladd when I was talking about the Boq thing

i'll be more insecure just for you baby

let's go listen to joe rogan

[nutella]

people arent gonna like this and itll probably garner more votes on me, but now that ive read some of nutella and achros posts i realised this post isnt good at all:

Caught up.

Town for today:
Cape
Dya?(solid 1 post lol)
Ender
Visor

Wolf for today

Achro
Boq
Nutella?
Rask
Syn

Forgot they played
Illario
Robyn
Vulgard

so like, atm the only possible hit in there might be boq? i dont have enough strong feelings on boq yet to say confidently either way

which makes me kinda sideye dyas push on me even more cos i think they realised it wasnt a good solve and was using that to perhaps justify a push on me. I think what makes it most concerning is that there was a lack of attention to detail that is probably more wolfy than not. Like, i still havent gotten a proper answer as to why thinking wisdom/cape had decent solves was such a wolfy post, but if it truly was that wolfy id sorta expect dya to have not really mixed up who said the post to begin with...cos like usually when someone makes a scummy post i tend to look out at their other posts too to see if they just made one bad post or to see if they are scummy in general. I dont really feel like dya did that or put much thought into the process behind arriving at their vote. and yeah they can be busy irl so ive been cutting them some slack there, esp since i really like being town together with dya or else i probably would have been more inclined to vote there sooner but it is getting harder and harder to find if thats really the case here.

i am confused

this is wisdom's readlist yeah? which yes i do have problems and disagreements with

but you're saying that because you said wisdom had a good solve and dya voted you for that, dya is a wolf? with wisdom? or what? idgi

i do understand the line that dya originally thinking boq posted it and simply moving their vote to you for it without taking your other context into account is a bit questionable (however i think it kind of fits dya's style to vote based on a single issue like that) but i'm not seeing the point of quoting wisdom's readlist here

i realize you are postcapped and probably asleep but like. what is going on, why is wisdom's readlist getting you to this conclusion about dya's reasoning for voting you, have you changed your mind on wisdom too?


man i saw that illario was top wagon and was like ehhh not sure if thats the play but now i think i see it

[nutella]

On one hand this is probably the most confident I have ever been that I've caught illario.

On the other hand I have never caught illario as mafia.

ya i gotta say i am not really sure wisdom is a villager at all

illario/Wisdom contains 1-2 wolves tbh.

i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???

okay yeah i'm vibing with all this

and again that wisdom readlist had uh Many issues imo

[Wisdom]

i feel like wisdom focus on a few reads as a villager and on getting them right

coming up with a full reads list seems weird and i still don't get why they even thought visor is a wolf if they then say that they hav ehim as a villager after their first 10 posts???

Tried to organize who's playing the game, since being here on my phone is hell and I struggle to get an overview.

Also a bit of frustration that the only town reads I really have so far are Visor and Cape and that's not really helping anyone. I usually have more of a clue when EoD1 closes in.

Feels like last mash where I didn't even vote d1. I guess having some really good accuracy lately makes it harder for me to commit to reads.

Tldr; That readlist is garb and just based on gut reads at the time, feel free to ignore.

[Wisdom]

I can probably add Rask and whoever said finding wolves this game is hard to the town pile with some confidence.

Regardless:

Vote: Achro

[Syn]

nutella and Syn at 69 posts since 12 hours or so...

nice