Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Boquise]

Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it

There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.

Also regarding the first part. This should actually show that I am town. I am not planning out my reads and my thought posts are not completely in sync because they evolve while I write

So thanks for clearing me Cape tbh

[Wisdom]

@Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya

Vote: Dyachei

[Boquise]

@Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya

Vote: Dyachei

But I am town reading Dya

[Achro]

@Boquise let's group up and yeet Dya

Vote: Dyachei

@Wisdom please respond to my post last page about boq/lapras

[Cape90]

Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it

There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.

dude you have like 1 line of dialogue on rask, I feel like you should have been developing that further but your really didn't and you have

But I did like a post you made towncasing illario

Tho this begs the question
so Dya scum read me initially for something Illario said
Illario pointed out the mistake and Dya changed the scum read to Illario

But why would scum!Illario point it out

I will also say forgetting a towncase is questionable as you literally have been consistent all game. You also mentioned you getting scumread for your fence sitting in Gravity Falls so my problems with what you said don't boil down to fence sitting.

got pinged by his first post..cause like this doesnt feel like a real reason to villa read someone (w/w got em eheh) but it doesnt read like a joke either

my biggest problem is his wisdom read:



this read is fine and all but it doesnt feel like it should give you the confidence to say stuff like that:





feels like WOLFY levels of confidence for what the read is based on. if i am a villager, i'd ask why etc.. not just stonewall it with a nah

i have caught wolves before with this tell

and in general posts seems like they lack a bit of snap judgement that i feel is standard for villa boq


(disclaimer: i am not a particuarly good boq reader)

I like to snap town read people for minimal reasons to see what happens, hence the Ender read. If people make a thing about the read, opposing it, it tends to be scum who dislikes it that I am apparently clearing other town for flimsy reasons, and they use that to shade me

You are criticising me for lacking snap judgements, but simultaneously having problems with me having a snap judgement on both Ender and Wisdom.

there was even this whole thing

I promise you boq, I am actually trying to find you just like any other town would.

[Cape90]

I stopped viewing the thread after that moment

I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me

It isn't much, which is why i wrote "maybe" with the vote. But sometimes wolves like to do that to sow disagreements in town. Having Nutella not push me is not a good thing for wolves if she is town

for some reason i missed the point of the bottom part here

[Cape90]

one thing i haven't seen boq do is talk up his posts so much. more an observation

[Cape90]

The old scum meta of your approach to me was to try to pocket me with town reads

i am keeping an eye on you sister

question: do you think I was on the right path in voting nutella before i swapped over to you?

[Cape90]

question: do you think I was on the right path in voting nutella before i swapped over to you?

remembers the organic play comment

yeah maybe i will return to le thread later

[Lapras]

Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...

Charlie day meme

Ok if this was my devious multi level plan, wouldnt i check for something so simple?

[Lapras]

Also boq went to bed cuz they were ill

Lololol how often do these wild theories actually worm achro

[Achro]

Charlie day meme

Ok if this was my devious multi level plan, wouldnt i check for something so simple?

If you were town wouldn't your thoughts be based on tangible suspicions and observations?

[Achro]

Also boq went to bed cuz they were ill

Lololol how often do these wild theories actually worm achro

Going to be real, I don't understand what's so wild about it.

To put this another, simpler way

It sounds like you're making stuff up because you know Boq will flip wolf in that post.

There we go a single sentence.

[Lapras]

If you were town wouldn't your thoughts be based on tangible suspicions and observations?

Did i air any suspicions?

[Achro]

Did i air any suspicions?

It's the Implication.

[Lapras]

Going to be real, I don't understand what's so wild about it.

To put this another, simpler way

It sounds like you're making stuff up because you know Boq will flip wolf in that post.

There we go a single sentence.

- ive not voted boq
- i dont think boq is wolf yet
- id done no analysis
- i dont think what i said even applies to boq

Why wouldnt you wait till i spewed my analysis?

Anyway its stupid because:
- it relies on me coming up with a wild and apparently easily falsified reason to scum reaad boq
- it relies on me arguing that boq being ill counts as not caring
- it is based ON AN ASSUMPTION of who I'll end up finding scummy based on reads i do
- it relies on town having and taalking only in perfectly logical well thought out suspicions which are inscrutable to logic which definitely fits more how wolves solve
- it discounts this being an actual town theory of mine
...which i know it is. I think the evidence is there in that i was posting my thoughts in a flurry so hadnt actuslly gone back and checked?
- it relies on a type of wolf behaviour that i dont really think happens much where they set up convoluted ways to scum read their buddies

Its basically the most complex theory kf what could happen and there are thousands of other things it could be- whether im town (as i am) or if im wolf (e.g. if i was wolf i could go on to frame soemoen else!!!)

Im typing this whilst getting ready so not proof reading but for your theory to apply:
- i would have failed to check the background information to validate my planned bus
- id be about to bus boq
- boq would have to be wolf
- id have to be a wolf

I know all those things are false.

So yh its just a hair brained theory

I dont know why youd instantly assume that its a wolf theory from me instead of spitballing town? Or wrong town? Like youve not seen my follow up

[Lapras]

It's the Implication.

Lol

Waiting 8s to post bloody post limits

[Lapras]

To be clear- i think your theory is stupid and the most complex reality

I dont necessarily think your wolf because of it

Its just a huge bunch of logical leaps. These do generally come more from town though, and, if i recall i think you did similar things in champs?

[Achro]

To be clear- i think your theory is stupid and the most complex reality

I dont necessarily think your wolf because of it

Its just a huge bunch of logical leaps. These do generally come more from town though, and, if i recall i think you did similar things in champs?

No, what I did in champs is death tunnel for days and get tilted/angry over various things and burn myself out.

I don't think one post theorizing while asking others to comment rises to that level, even if I end up being wrong.

[Raskolnikov]

I am not tunnelling you. Have you even read my posts? Like my last post even said i need to update my read on you because it is outdated, it was even added with a question mark.

Also way to misrep what happened last day.

I went to bed and said i didn't have any read on Illario and I didn't want to vote Wisdom. So I voted the tiny wolf read that I had, which is imo the proper play. I wasn't around to self-press. My read on you has not even been without reason. I have explained it. I would also say that I have done the opposite of coasting since I am everyone's favorite scum pick

Are you this threatened by my wolf read of you that you need to twist what has happened on the thread?

lol no.

"I have explained it" yes, but it's thin and you haven't engaged with me to evaluate it. You haven't done anything to actually make me happen either (unless memory fails). When you left the thread it was pretty clear I wasn't dying D1 yet you stayed on your vanity vote. So how much I am tweaking reality?

I mean sure you can be a villager but I don't think I am misrepresenting anyone here.

I mean, the fact I was your only wolf read D1 and the reasons behind it are just worth sussing don't you think?

[Raskolnikov]

I like to snap town read people for minimal reasons to see what happens, hence the Ender read. If people make a thing about the read, opposing it, it tends to be scum who dislikes it that I am apparently clearing other town for flimsy reasons, and they use that to shade me

You are criticising me for lacking snap judgements, but simultaneously having problems with me having a snap judgement on both Ender and Wisdom.

well u say that but it's valid to oppose and read into uncalled early TR for a villager so ... yeah (I am rereading you Boq)

Why did u cool down with your nutella sus? Can u pinpoint the posts which make u get there pls?

[EnderWiggin]

Probably town poisoned:
Robyn

My collective townhouses:
Nutella
Vulgard

My construction sites:
Syn
Dyachei
Cape90

My Red Tape Hell:
Visor
Raskol

My rejected projects:
Lapras
Achro
Wisdom
Boq

Behold my definitely not consensus reads list.

Since @robyn asked for it.

[EnderWiggin]

I actually have a hot take that Raskol might be wolfier than I've been giving him credit for but I'm afraid of clownpainting myself a second time after illario.

[EnderWiggin]

Syn is also definitely "odd" looking and is acting all "Shady"

Just had to get in my daily Syn Shade before weirdly putting him back into my upper town.

[Visor]

why not raskol/lapras/dya

[Vulgard]

I have Wisdom as v
I think Rask has scum equity if Nutella is v

I am ambivalent on Nutella's alignment

I am weakly town reading DZ/Lapras

Tho honestly, if you've read my posts you should know the first two reads I present here. So why didn't you?

oh so you're confident in wisdom v now? what i got from your day 1 posts was that you weren't sure but okay

i did read your day 1 posts, and my conclusion from them was that you didn't seem to have a lot of confident reads, if any. you were mostly giving snap takes and these snap takes didn't come across as particularly strong, either. so i felt like you just didn't have any significant reads

judging by this post, you still don't have them other than the wisdom take and the rask w / nutella v take

why is rask a wolf if nutella is town?

I am unironically reading this as townie frustration

i do think that post was townie as well yeah

[Vulgard]

i might as well say now that a major reason i think achro could be a wolf is that he isn't rping anymore

which sounds extremely dumb but hear me out

if you come into the game wanting to rp, you're going to keep doing it in spite of adversity. i've seldom seen a town resign so quickly and easily. villagers wanting to rp are stubborn about it, and achro was the opposite of that

this sounds like a meme argument, but i do think this is a legitimate tell. from a villager pov, you feel free to roleplay because you don't feel the pressure for your posts to be traditionally read as good, you just want to do your own thing. and from your pov, catching wolves is something you can still do while roleplaying. wolves do want their posts to look good so they can stay alive, so by extension, even if they do decide to roleplay, once they find it too challenging to continue they will simply stop doing it

revealing this tell is likely going to make it less accurate going forward, but i do think it's legit and it's a major reason why i think achro could be a wolf here

it was accurate even as recently as the omega strikers game on fol, which ender was in and where he roleplayed - as town. there were also other people who roleplayed, and they were also town

[Vulgard]

why not raskol/lapras/dya

i'm honestly not super convinced on dya but that could be a skill issue

lapras i'm trying to re-evaluate

why raskol? do you have a read on him now? you said earlier that i'd have to wait for it

[Vulgard]

dya just seems like dya to me idk

i genuinely don't think they've done a lot of ai things

the most ai thing was probably the mistake they made when thinking boq wrote a post that he didn't actually write and placing a vote based on it, but all that does to me is make me believe dya isn't w/w with boq, and it's not even 100% lock unaligning because it could be a genuine mistake

@Lapras who do you want dead today

[EnderWiggin]

why not raskol/lapras/dya

Je ne comprende pas?