Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[dyachei]

@dyachei do you have specific thoughts on lapras and/or syn rn? vulgard's team theory and your focus on cape has me worried again

i think syn could be a wolf but i think that his early play felt a lot like his last org game

lapras I think is falling victim to the whole being a new parent thing but I might be biased there

[Syn]

how do you do fellow wolves

[Syn]

i like how every lapras read inevitably circles back around to being a dad

let's just wolf-read the baby and be done with it

[Syn]

AtE? not actively making coherent reads? pretty wolfy imo :/

[Boquise]

Me trying to muster wim and write down my stuff:

[nutella]

Me trying to muster wim and write down my stuff:

relatable but for my real life adult job

[Syn]

vote: Sleep

[dyachei]

vote: unvote

[Boquise]

Idk game is taking energy and i feel like a walking misyeet after reading the thread
I feel like very few actually interact with my solvy post and have me just permanently put in a nowhere zone, so i get demotivated and decided to peel off my nails instead.

Anyhow, how scum + some town members have acted around me before. So I guess it is just a thing. Lets see if this post garners responds now when I have written weirdness tbh

Here is some hype music to motivate me



My theory yesterday was that if rask was v, then certain players' behavious was sus. I disliked how Nutella and iirc Achro and Cape kept floating my name, and Nutella also wrote that I would be likely wolf if Rask flipped v. It reminded me how Wisdom theorised that I and them were planned to be chainsawed into yeets.

And today Cape, Nutella, Achro, and Vulgard have all brought up how I am basically a wolf with everyone. The same goes with Lapras, which actually makes me town read him based on us having the same thread position. It is clear to me that wolves have set up since D1 at least my misyeet.

As for the sus of me. It is not many times you peeps who sus me actually interact with my posts. It is all "Boq is paired with x, y, z" and the reasoning is not really developed. Like how Nut and Achro try to force me into a Syn team when that doesnt make any sense from my play. Cape pushed my actual posts D1 but now when I have got my gears moving he has hardly reacted to any of 'em. I feel like D1 and D2 were an attempt to bury me. Like, Cape bringing up meta to compare me to this game, but isn't really processing the new posts I am making. I believe this sort of pushing establish two things: 1) It creates a thread truth that I am actually not doing anything, I have no reads, I am saying nothing etc. 2) it makes wolves not having to actually interact with me because they now know I have got into gear and will be a difficult push.

maybe thats why lapras is pushed more now because he is less active? Easier target.

Achro's scum read of me is not based on anything I have done, but what Lapras has done. It is a scum read per association aside from pushing me yesterday because I forgot him and Lapras for a second, which is ridiculous and having jury'd his championship games I know that when he pushes someone as town, he pushes with way more details and quality in his reads. He also pushes much stronger. Now it is like "yeh boq can be scum, or lapras, idk". Thats nagl

So, given that I town read Lapras (and Dya), I feel like the game state is probably wrong, which puts my suspicion directly at Achro. I did not want to share this read because it could affect the NK (if I am wrong) but I want to avoid any bullshit tomorrow so it is better to divulge this read today.

I believe there is a wolf between Achro, Vulgard, Nutella, Cape, and Syn. Which is a too high of a number.
However I do not think Syn is a wolf with Achro, since Syn is basically the only other player today who has shaded Achro consistently. So here is a difference check.

If Achro is town, then I could definitely see Syn being a wolf, given his responses to me and how he pushed and explained his Wisdom read. The fact that Vulgard is saying that Nutella is always town is how I expect wolves to be playing rn. They only need 1 misyeet left, and if I am right on Lapras town, then that's that. And I guess Achro will be around to help doing that. But given that he feels like the source of inspiration to mine and Lapras' pushes, I find it unlikely.

I am sus on how Nutella and Cape is pushing a game state where I am always wolf. I am not sure if two wolves would be so shamelessly doing that though. The last time Cape really interacted with me was when I said he was pushing me because he -wants- me to be a wolf more than anything else and he agreed, which I felt could be open wolfing. I dont remember when Nutella interacted with one of my solve posts the last time. And it feels like her wolf read on me is more about what Syn has done regarding my slot than my own play. Which is convenient. Stuff like that is hard to defend against so thats a good wolf strat tbh

The predicament is that I have town read both Cape and Nutella. If both of them are town I am left with like... Achro/Vulgard/??? Syn does not work. Lapras does not work at all. And I am town reading Dya pretty strongly (watch it be Achro/Vulgard/Dya and I am a joke). Tho Dya/Vulgard is probably unlikely???
So at least 1 of Cape/Nutella must be scum.

In F7s, ime, it is important to catch all wolves in one fell swoop given how wolves play around it.
I can see a team composition of Achro/Vulgard/Cape/Nutella, or Vulgard/Cape/Nutella/Syn.
However, given how Nutella is also trying to force in a push on Syn it is slightly unlikely (even tho Syn seems to be taking the third wheel with me and Lapras being top priorities).

But to make it easier for my brain, I will say that Nutella/Syn is unlikely given the game state.
So Vulgard/Cape/Nutella
or, Vulgard/Cape/Syn,
Game is slightly harder if Achro wolf considering I am unable to eliminate a fourth person from the pairings.

Achro/Vulgard/Cape/Nutella...
....
Either way Vulgard/Cape are my surest bet.

@Cape @Vulgard
you two will actually have to read my posts and engage with me because come tomorrow I will go scorch earth unless you can town it up. I have written lots of stuff, I have declared reads, I have made pushes. Read them. Also Vulgard you better update your misinformation on my Rask push. Only way I am wrong on 1 of you is if I am wrong for unpairing Syn/Nutella.

I also like the idea of Achro wolf because it makes so much sense given the game state here and the peeps who has got the majority of the pushes. And also I would be a hero if so tbqh

People in general will need to talk TO me instead of ABOUT me or AROUND me. I am not going to be an easy F7 misyeet. Wolves should've misyeeted me in early game because I am a late game player and been in enough lylos to see through bs. I am a lylo warrior tbqfh!

so yeh, I will inject steroids through hype music for the next day hmpf

[Boquise]

THE BOQ HAS AWAKENED TBQFH

[Boquise]

At long last. Satisfaction.

Were you referring a Rolling Stones song for funsies or what is satisfying?

[Achro]

I just like people noticing me.

Anyway I am dead tired but what I will say is it's really bewildering that you think I have a scum read on you due to lapras when I originally voted you eod1, along with 3 dead townies and cape, because I found your attitude towards eod and being content to vanity vote go be a bit what I might like to call 'not cool'

I can post more robustly later though. But that point was like huh. I know you forget me easily but I almost killed you day 1 geesh at least remember that.

[Boquise]

Also the way absolutely no one is even attempting to scum read me with any intent makes me think my world view is largely right and they want me dead at lylo and for people to go 'well achro was tred by everyone now let's ignore his reads and snap vote nyt/dya'

I am THINKING

'sup

[nutella]

@Boquise I have read and considering your pov do not fear tbh

[Achro]

'sup

You posting that right after makes me think you literally just cased me so that this wouldn't be confirmed LMAO

I want to believe I have you shook tbh

[Achro]

But seriously I am tired I will look over everything you said later. Maybe you make the sense broadly.

[Boquise]

I just like people noticing me.

Anyway I am dead tired but what I will say is it's really bewildering that you think I have a scum read on you due to lapras when I originally voted you eod1, along with 3 dead townies and cape, because I found your attitude towards eod and being content to vanity vote go be a bit what I might like to call 'not cool'

I can post more robustly later though. But that point was like huh. I know you forget me easily but I almost killed you day 1 geesh at least remember that.

I remember that, but your read back then was pretty whatever too. Cape did the big work.
Please elaborate robustly why being on a vanity wagon, aka voting the wagon you actually believe contains a wolf than voting someone who you arent really sure is a wolf and someone you are pretty sure isnt a wolf, is "not cool". Do you perhaps like sheep?

Either way, I am making a compilation post of the greatest hits of today to make my point crystal clear tbh

[Boquise]

You posting that right after makes me think you literally just cased me so that this wouldn't be confirmed LMAO

I want to believe I have you shook tbh

i am making a big post going backwards showing how everyone's been talking about me today. Something that can be easily proven by me reacting to your satisfaction post.

How am I shaken by you? Your main argument is that I am wolf because Lapras posted weirdly. There is zero substance with you.

[Achro]

i am making a big post going backwards showing how everyone's been talking about me today. Something that can be easily proven by me reacting to your satisfaction post.

How am I shaken by you? Your main argument is that I am wolf because Lapras posted weirdly. There is zero substance with you.

I find the most tragic of arguments for a wolf is when I just figure out the team connections and don't need 20 paragraphs dissecting their play. All I need is to prove that they are the missing puzzle piece.

Its why it was important for me to speak my mind about nut/dya today because I thought them being angry at each other was a lose condition for town in my current world view.

Zero substance huh. Alright. I will iso you tomorrow morning. Let's see if you keep that same energy by challenging achro for lack of substance in a chill game.

[Boquise]

The problem with that particular solve though is I don't think Cape/Boq are aligned based off how Cape treated Boq in their casing.

i don't think achro/boq are together
i also don't think cape/boq are together, i think it's far more likely that cape's boq case on day 2 was a push on a villager than a bus


cape and achro both aren't with boq imo, boq could be with dya and with lapras though i'm pretty sure

achro also isn't with lapras imo and he ?probably? isn't with cape so the only teams that contain him are like achro/dya/syn or achro/dya/boq or achro/syn/boq but the boq pairing is also questionable to me because achro was helping me push boq on day 2 (i guess he could have been bussing there?)

actually idk


maybe boq is now lol

cape/vulgard is a pair ive seen for a while

but with boq feels weird

but wolves can do weird things and push partners in esoteric ways to get cred and get the flips tied to villagers and such, their d1-2 behavior where they wouldnt have assumed they'd get this far without losing a member could be explained by like, boq being a wolf and cape/vul distancing early since he was heavily heavily under fire

or maybe it's just one of cape or vulgard that distanced from boq while syn went more on the defensive

anyway i think im at boq/cape/+1

tbc i was already gonna roll with them town from the thing today + your strong read

but realizing i had boq/cape in common in a few solves gave me additional insight

Boq/Cape/Lapras

It's happening.

it's lapras/dya/boq or syn/dya/boq, gg, thanks for removing any consideration i had of non-dya-wolf worlds

before you started posting i literally almost told syn that i thought it was either lapras/syn/boq or lapras/achro/cape. neither including you. maybe work on solving whether it's one of those if you're town

VERY CONFIDENT: Lapras/Vulgard/Boquise contain at least 2 wolves if not just being the team

The main problem is he doesn't fit with lapras or syn or you or probably boq so it feels very unlikely he's a wolf at all anymore unless I've made a very wrong association.

WOW LOOK AT THESE QUALITY REASONS BOQ IS WOLF I AM FLOORED TO THE GROUND TBH Shaking in my boots etc.

This is whole thing is a saga where I am arbitrarily put into several wolf teams. The ONLY times any sort of substance is brought up WHY I am with someone, it is because THAT PLAYER has done something.

Boq is not paired with Cape because Cape did X
Boq is not paired with Cape because Cape did Y
Boq is not paired with Achro because Achro did Z
Boq could be paired with Cape and Vulgard because Cape and Vulgard could have been distancing
Boq could be paired with Syn because Syn did X
Boq could be paired with Lapras because Lapras did Y

(the last two are mainly from yesterday).

Like zero things today is about what I have done. Neither why I could be town, or why I could be wolf. I am just the top suspect because lol. This is selling the story that Cape did on D2 that I was hardly doing anything and Vulgard selling the story that I did not have any reads. I am not 100% sure all of this comes from scum, but it proves that the thread truth has settled.

Are people intimidated to interact with my posts and thoughts? Is it more comfortable to just repeat one-liners and false stuff? No one cared about how Rask and I settled our disagreement and Rask saw my pov and accepted it. Because it does not fit the narrative that I "death tunneled Rask for no reason at all". Two players have really interacted with me through this game and that's Rask and Wisdom. BOTH TOWN. Out of the alive players, Dya is the one who has been reading my solves and encouraged me to go further (like with my Vulgard read), which makes me even more convinced that they are town.

People are basically intimidated of me because I am just so awesome tbqfh. Which reminds me of Cape actually backing down from his read on me because I was bragging and talking up my reads. Which is a super weaksauce reason to town read me (and that has disappeared now in present time) when he had a super meta case on me. It looks to me like when a wolf knows that a town is about to burst into town mode so they back down to make them still a viable target. Well, I won't be going anywhere since I will be around for tomorrow's lylo so draw your swords and pistols for I take no quarter tbh



^literally me tbh

[Boquise]

I find the most tragic of arguments for a wolf is when I just figure out the team connections and don't need 20 paragraphs dissecting their play. All I need is to prove that they are the missing puzzle piece.

Its why it was important for me to speak my mind about nut/dya today because I thought them being angry at each other was a lose condition for town in my current world view.

Zero substance huh. Alright. I will iso you tomorrow morning. Let's see if you keep that same energy by challenging achro for lack of substance in a chill game.

Why would the wolves miss puzzle pieces

Last sentence is a wolf slip. By that phrasing, you have already decided that I am a wolf because you are acting like you will find substance for why I am a wolf, and not substance for why I am town. Given that you see this as a challenge and not an attempt to finally read me properly. Whereas I have debated how you could be both town and scum. Rekt.

[Boquise]

I have the spirit of Carolus Rex at my back. Nothing can harm me anymore tbh

[Boquise]

GH might be following this game and he is popping the bottles because he is seeing the return of the king in the North tbh

[Boquise]

@Boquise I have read and considering your pov do not fear tbh

thank you nut

[Achro]

Why would the wolves miss puzzle pieces

Last sentence is a wolf slip. By that phrasing, you have already decided that I am a wolf because you are acting like you will find substance for why I am a wolf, and not substance for why I am town. Given that you see this as a challenge and not an attempt to finally read me properly. Whereas I have debated how you could be both town and scum. Rekt.

I will admit I am acting like that but that's mostly for fun. If I am isoing you I am giving you a fair shake. If I wanted to tunnel you I wouldn't waste my time isoing you.

But you do have town equity.

Plus you've been low wim most of the game so I don't think you've done a lot to departure yourself from others compared to vice versa. But that's what the iso is for.

[Achro]

Also wolves don't miss the puzzle pieces they are the missing piece of the puzzle themselves. Boq why do you have so much energy when I have so little lol

[Boquise]

I will admit I am acting like that but that's mostly for fun. If I am isoing you I am giving you a fair shake. If I wanted to tunnel you I wouldn't waste my time isoing you.

But you do have town equity.

Plus you've been low wim most of the game so I don't think you've done a lot to departure yourself from others compared to vice versa. But that's what the iso is for.

oh. Well. Yeah, fun is important. I want a battle with cannons

why do i have town equity though
I have been low wim but low wim =/= scum.

[Achro]

oh. Well. Yeah, fun is important. I want a battle with cannons

why do i have town equity though
I have been low wim but low wim =/= scum.

No but low wim does mean in pairings others are more likely to make you unaligned with them rather than you with them. Dya is low wim, is not unaligned with a lot, but I think they came off very authentic.

You have town equity in cape wolf or vul wolf worlds because of interactions earlier in the game. I think it was mostly from their side but yeah it's still in your favor if one flips wolf.

[Boquise]

Also wolves don't miss the puzzle pieces they are the missing piece of the puzzle themselves. Boq why do you have so much energy when I have so little lol

did you forget the part where it took me like 4 hours to muster wim and then i had to put on music to fake motivate myself to actually get into it?

Also this is so typical of this game.
"Boq you are wolfy for doing X"
*Boq answers by doing the opposite of X, doing Y instead*
"Boq you are wolfy for doing Y"

what a meme.

Anyway.
When I get my rails starting and make myself believe I have wim, i eventually trick myself into having energy. Also I am a late game player. I do not want to be the losing misyeet, I have been that too many times and I want to prove to myself and everyone that I can actually improve and that I do have worthwhiles and also correct poe takes. Especially in late games. I also guess I get more motivated when the knife is at my throat.

Btw, this is how S5 wolves won the finale (or well, amongst several things). By forcing town to keep being de-motivated. Had I kept my energy up, I couldve solved the game because I had several correct wolf reads, but was death tunnelled by both wolves and town alike through the whole game until I at lylo finally stopped thinking and just followed the flow, just happy that I was not the misyeet target. BUT NEVER MORE TBH!

[Boquise]

No but low wim does mean in pairings others are more likely to make you unaligned with them rather than you with them. Dya is low wim, is not unaligned with a lot, but I think they came off very authentic.

You have town equity in cape wolf or vul wolf worlds because of interactions earlier in the game. I think it was mostly from their side but yeah it's still in your favor if one flips wolf.

So Dya is able to be unpair themselves/look authentic by their own postings but I can't? Why doesn't my Syn push matter? Why doesn't my Vulgard push matter? Why doesn't my Cape town read and later suspicion matter? This is paradoxical because I am accused of low wim but my solving posts are dismissed and forgotten, so how am I supposed to have wim? And then when I get wim anyway I get the weird check