Cereal killer mafia

[Visor]

vote: sleep

[EnderWiggin]

Have you seen anything concerning from syn? Is the way they’ve gone after Rask normal for them?

Ngl I just assumed Syn town because at least 2 town PRs makes sense to me. So I haven't really thought about their posts.

[ladd]

I am not gonna be SHOCKED if the PoE is somehow wrong but idk to me jan feels like a villager, suibian feels like a villager, visor is a villager, syn/ender have super believable claims so if any of these guis are wolves idk if i am getting there today

[Suibian]

Ngl I just assumed Syn town because at least 2 town PRs makes sense to me. So I haven't really thought about their posts.

I'm currently rereading through the game to read through cape, and I've read a bunch of syn posts that have me back to not worrying about them.

I think I mostly got worried because the only thing I remember from today is a couple pop-ins that are just "rask scum". Which might not be fair actually. The beginning of the week is my busiest time, so I definitely could have missed some posts, but regardless I think I'm over that concern.

[ladd]

i may be up for EoD if I decide to watch some nba

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[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin: How do you feel about Ladd now?

(note to self: check Ladd's reaction to Ender's claim at EOD)

Mmmmm.

I have a lot of thoughts. And not many are clear.

I still think their shift on me/other things D1 feels inherently like what I have for their wolf game but I am over-associating their pushing with that one wolf game.

I probably should do a reread but 1. too tired rn and 2. I still don't think I'm giving up my Sui/Sleep world yet.

[ladd]

here is the silly take of the day:

jan/suibian FEEL the same alignment to me, just their dynamic and how they are playing with each other feels like either it's 2 villagers who found each other or they are (somehow) both wolves


w/v feels weird

[Cape90]

Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.

Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)

I'm sorry. I am just really bad at explaining things sometimes, I'm not trying to come off that way on purpose. Like in my recent posts I know I have mostly been blunt posting.

Anyways I will reread ur logs because I really do not think you have been all that scummy at least today. There is a reason why I am voting Sleep over you and I am not convinced that he's mafia either but I just find so many other people just villagery this game that it is hard for me to look outside a kinda narrow lens admittedly. And that's the nature of mid game unfortunately.

You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

Of course you all need my flip to realise it.

I hope it will help you.

I feel like I haven't been driving the game in any direction though I think some of the people that have been calling for your death are quite villagery like Syn/ladd from my POV.

Do you disagree that I haven't had that much influence over people voting you?

Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible

who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.

Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.

Like I don't disagree with these thoughts. I have wanted to look more into Jan even though I have found his general presence towny, I know when I took notes when I subbed into the game I had my concerns about Jan

not sure what you expect frankly. I am town and I read nonsense used to push me. Should I not point it out?

This was all more directed at ladd, like I read ladd's post and it just felt like it was building up to a predictable answer

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I mean if you looked back Rask, my vote on you was me literally voting on a null read, it was more of like a "this is better then nothing option". I do kinda like to "talk up" my votes though.

when I said "???" to

what would that do for you?

That wasn't me shading the post, that was me just being confused on what it meant, it's probably irrelevant though since ir was the 30th post of the thread but still.

I'm not exactly sure what the die potato thing was exactly XD I think I was in agreement with Syn at the time though.

Besides, I didn't really provide good content anyways in regards to my reads in general becaue im not at all sold on this Sleep v read I had before #350

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Jan/Ladd looks possible (food for thought if none of them died by SOD4) to me D1: like a lot of cheap interactions and questions that look like "hey, I will help my partner here". Also the reasonning for voting El Barto just look the same (LHF, placeholder oops didn't come back).

This is more reasoning then I thought there was in my head on the ladd/Jan world tbh. But I don't really know what you mean without you pointing what they posted, idk I just like having all of my info in one place personally, i know it can be kinda hard with the quote system, thats why i usually click on like the quote link things so i can see the whole convo.

Nah it's not that.

I don't do these questions for jinx. I do them to get words, shake things, get reads eventually (and sometimes mock Visor). That's the process at least.

Of course, Wifom, etc... but really these questions left in the air more lilely come from someone who couldn't get back to the thread rather than a wolf etc. That's what I meant.

Also, I don't automatically assume lol. It still isn't clear for me that you are reading me in good faith. I mean you posted "die potatoe" when we have had exactly 0 chat friendo :D

between this and the last post i quoted, i really do not have a lot to say over there, and i know i have already commented on this but

i think in a game like this, it is hard to really get real time interactions with each player really, esp since looking at your posts, your posts usually are not actually consisting of that and I think it just has to do with the nature of this game

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You were mentioning some stuff in post #500 about EW

Good luck getting as much effort about any of my other reads this phase.

My other sort of scumread rn is Jan.

Mostly cause (and this is going to sound self-centred I know), the following post:


It feels like the lame-duck style I see often used to shade people without directly attacking them.

I also don't know Jan that well so this is a wild hipshot of a read but I feel good about it.

You mentioned this post, do you think this is a possible good argument on Jan being a wolf? I initially did kinda think this when I was just starting the game tbh

Did think #503 was villagery from u and it was what i was referring to EOD of day 2

lol bub.

the "very good" means exactly that I was starting to worry about this slot because Taffy sounded tonally different from past games but I don't have to wonder about it now because they are selfresolving. "Very good" as in, with Syn kinda out of thde chopping block too, I just have to find 4 more villagers to get a game winning POE.

lol idk it just looked weird

Man the more I am just staring at the ISO of Rask the less convinced he's wolf to me so yeah

[Visor]

vote: cape

[Raskolnikov]

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Uh this is a post about Wisdom



I kinda wolfread this, but idk if those reasons are at all good.



eh I don't like this post very much





So I saw other people townreading Taffy for this similar thing, but not townreading you for it

Opinions on that Wisdom?



idk how to feel about this



i see a lot of townreads on Rask and I just remember looking at his posts and having a negative reaction to most of them LOL





So the 1 slot Wisdom has been inconsistent on is Syn so I will keep that in mind.

IDK I have found Syn jokey as town before i think

i feel that honestly :p



i kinda like this post though tbh



this seemed like a v/v thing with Sleep/Syn tbh (with how Syn responded to this point later on tbh) (and those are the townpoints I award Syn), but kinda looks better for Sleep

I don't get the unvote though a whole post later. Vibe thing?

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Sleep im still calling town

generically wolfy questioning (more so the 2nd/3rd).



Yeah, I also felt this when looking at Ender.



This does outline my problems I had with Raskol's postings pretty well honestly.


???



This post also bothered me, but i also recognize it was very early on in the day

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I am actually just more neutral now on Rask though, there just isn't enough there for me to feel strongly on

I think this string of posts shows what problem I have had with Cape the whole game tbh: they are mostly descriptive or feed backs from how he feels about things... but he very rarely articulates why he feels that way, how these things are AI (Syn was jokey as town once? coolbean tbh).

(special note: he voted me the next post after his "I am actually just more neutral now on Rask though, there just isn't enough there for me to feel strongly on", and later one voted me again just after a post where he mentions I hit my town marks, that vote sticked to EOD).

[Suibian]

Last post i have for today

Wisdom ur post u made in response to me actually makes no sense and im considering in this post voting you over rask
What is ur sleep vote??
I wont vote u for this

like Rask has talked about his own previous posts which is a towntell

Suibian has been consistently unsure of themselves all game and has made sure to let everyone know that, kinda GtH town though just if i were to assume 1 PR = mafia
WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY PARTNERS WHAT????

I think Taffy is most likely fake if there were to be a faker in the bunch, Syn has too many town points, but ig Taffy's claim and when they did it weren't bad tbh so idk, that's why im not voting between that today, feels like they will resolve themselves if PR

uh

ladd is still town

as i said EnderWiggin's claim obviously holds

uh

Sleep is underwhelming me today which is making me tinfoil him

k thx bye

Might be stupid, but I liked the MY PARTNERS WHAT in response to me saying I was going to vote with my wagon partners from day one. This post came just a couple minutes after my post, so it felt like a knee jerk reaction to that, which I guess is fake-able, but I expected him to push me on that.

And here he talks about not quite believing Taffy's claim, so does he kill Taffy while not quite believing the claim?

[Raskolnikov]

I'm sorry. I am just really bad at explaining things sometimes, I'm not trying to come off that way on purpose. Like in my recent posts I know I have mostly been blunt posting. Same, apologies.

Anyways I will reread ur logs because I really do not think you have been all that scummy at least today. There is a reason why I am voting Sleep over you and I am not convinced that he's mafia either but I just find so many other people just villagery this game that it is hard for me to look outside a kinda narrow lens admittedly. And that's the nature of mid game unfortunately.



I feel like I haven't been driving the game in any direction though I think some of the people that have been calling for your death are quite villagery like Syn/ladd from my POV.

Do you disagree that I haven't had that much influence over people voting you? I don't know. BUt you have smh been the left woofer booming "Rask is wolfing" itt constantly (the right one being Syn), and tbh even if you have voted me several times, it doesn't feel like you are endorsing these votes, could bring up quotes about this (unlike Syn who won't rest till he can dance over my dead body for instance). It feels like shades/agenda to me.



Like I don't disagree with these thoughts. I have wanted to look more into Jan even though I have found his general presence towny, I know when I took notes when I subbed into the game I had my concerns about Jan



This was all more directed at ladd, like I read ladd's post and it just felt like it was building up to a predictable answer

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I mean if you looked back Rask, my vote on you was me literally voting on a null read, it was more of like a "this is better then nothing option". I do kinda like to "talk up" my votes though. See above

when I said "???" to



That wasn't me shading the post, that was me just being confused on what it meant, it's probably irrelevant though since ir was the 30th post of the thread but still. I understand it might be cryptic if you aren't reading it live or itt (ISOs bring distortion), but I wanted to know Ender's motivations, if he was eager to push Monty for raisins. Ofc that's one of the many things I have to improve villaging, ie ask questions in a way people can't escape with a "I am lazy" or just see what I am looking for beforehand. tsktsk

I'm not exactly sure what the die potato thing was exactly XD I think I was in agreement with Syn at the time though. fair enough. NGL I have potatoed a lot reading you, I remember the Champ mash at TS this year where I missread you terribly and u got chopped (but most of my other wolf reads were goated and I ate the N1 so I didn't feel bad about it then :p), so I can understand the background. Moving on.

Besides, I didn't really provide good content anyways in regards to my reads in general becaue im not at all sold on this Sleep v read I had before #350

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This is more reasoning then I thought there was in my head on the ladd/Jan world tbh. But I don't really know what you mean without you pointing what they posted, idk I just like having all of my info in one place personally, i know it can be kinda hard with the quote system, thats why i usually click on like the quote link things so i can see the whole convo.



between this and the last post i quoted, i really do not have a lot to say over there, and i know i have already commented on this but

i think in a game like this, it is hard to really get real time interactions with each player really, esp since looking at your posts, your posts usually are not actually consisting of that and I think it just has to do with the nature of this game

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You were mentioning some stuff in post #500 about EW



You mentioned this post, do you think this is a possible good argument on Jan being a wolf? I initially did kinda think this when I was just starting the game tbh I read it, and it was a may be Ender is right. The thing about Jan is that he is a very good candidate for a deep wolf, and this game prolly has one or two unless it's exactly sleep/you. So I have started looking at him differently because he, out of all people, has made several posts to claim some D1 credit that he could ride. Sure he voted El Barto, but not considering bussers D2 lead to an auto ML. I am not sure he is a wolf. But what he has done so far is prolly in his range so yeah.

Did think #503 was villagery from u and it was what i was referring to EOD of day 2



lol idk it just looked weird

Man the more I am just staring at the ISO of Rask the less convinced he's wolf to me so yeah ->

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[Suibian]

One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).

How dare you?!? But seriously, people have floated possible suspicion on me and gone back and forth all game it feels like. I don't quite mind suspicion on me, well I mean I do of course, but it's mafia I typically expect some suspicion especially when people don't know me. If you think this is an eruption, you should have seen my response to getting pushed years ago, I'm downright zen now. Now usually my strongest reactions are against pushes that don't feel faithful to me or if I just happen to be annoyed in the moment. In ender's case, I spent the night thinking he was scum and was annoyed to find there was a fake claim that had muddled my thoughts. I thought visor's expectations for how I was supposed to be regarding barto day one wrong in part and a bit unreasonable for the other. And I did wonder if part of that came from me questioning the claim. The other response had nothing to do with visor and had everything to do with how I feel about my own scum game and me imagining a world where I actually feel confident and expect sleep to be deadweight. That was all in good fun, it really did just make my day to imagine it.

[Jan]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Votal 3.3 (again but with a timer)

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), Jan (#796)
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Visor (#758)
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811)

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vote: sleep

Vote: siubian

yeehaw

i'm changing tactics

For you. Mostly.

vote: Raskolnikov

Might as well

Vote: Jan

(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)

vote:sleep

gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time

i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong

personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them

vote: sleep

vote: cape

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), Ladd
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Jan
Cape (1) - Sleep, Visor
Jan (1) - Rask

I think that is correct?

[Gemma]

Votal 3.4

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), ladd (#900)
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Jan (#872)
Cape (2) - Sleep (#811), Visor (#909)
Jan (1) - Rask (#877)

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Friendly reminder to be nice to other players and come to me if you have any issues.

[Jan]

I was correct!

[Jan]

Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.

[Raskolnikov]

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

Found this. Iirc the only mention about Ladd before that was that he had not posted many AI things. So potential TMI?

@Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?

[ladd]

Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.

Spill the beans

[Cape90]

vote: cape

what warranted you to vote me?

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Cape

[Cape90]

This is so true.
If the pr claims are true we likely just have a winning poe here.
If they are wrong we will only find out later in the game.

Either way, it is really hard to be motivated to go for a new solve right now.
You could wagon me right now I while I would mock you for being terrible I would not honestly care.

i kinda dont like this post :/

[Raskolnikov]

Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.

"today is not the day but I am posting to put that paranoia itt, now"



"I am so townie"

[Cape90]

My big question is just who is afraid of visor?

Like honestly?

Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.

And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...

Who is afraid of visor?

I disagree though that Visor "did nothing" day 1

Visor doing nothing usually gets him in a lot of trouble day 1 from what i have seen and it really didnt look like that this game to me at all

[Jan]

Spill the beans

syn being so focussed on rask while visors vote is just jumping everywhere.

technically visor should at least confirm the existence of both syn and ender.

But like ... I have trouble thinking the poe is correct as it stands and if it is not then my head is just spinning through all the mech worlds, which we should never look into today anyway.

Force wolves to make kills and if we hit a wolf today that just confirms more than before.


Even if I don't think the poe likely has 2 wolves hitting one in there today and moving on from there tomorrow is kind of the go to play.

But like I have trouble between rask and cape to find the wolf and sleep to me is a coinflip.
(don't think rask/cape are w/w with the stuff happening today. rask got too annoyed at cape I think.)

[Jan]

I disagree though that Visor "did nothing" day 1

Visor doing nothing usually gets him in a lot of trouble day 1 from what i have seen and it really didnt look like that this game to me at all

outside of tying the wolfwagon at eod - from the top of your head what did visor do that was memorable?

[Raskolnikov]

This will remain as the comedy chef d'oeuvre of this thread though

[Jan]

"today is not the day but I am posting to put that paranoia itt, now"



"I am so townie"

[Cape90]

truthfully i don't really care about that at all

would prefer to leave monty for another day

question
why would you not care about Monty solving the game?

[Cape90]

thoughts:

i agree with syn re rask - he is certainly coming across differently than he normally does to me and my first instinct was to just go overcompensating wolf, but on a reskim his posts aren't all that bad and it is likely just a knee jerk reaction and i think i am fine just letting him do his thing, i'd probably err on the side of calling him a mild villager for now

i have no thoughts on monty yet, not unexpected, expect to get there over the next day phase or two

nothing from tammy has seemed AI yet (maybe feeling the desire to explain her playstyle is a touch wolfy? but i'm not going there today anyway)

nothing from ladd moving the needle

wisdom has seemed... bog standard for wisdom so far, either alignment they are going for a pretty simple strategy, expect this read to have more teeth tomorrow

had a few niggling things from jan, but also kind of just want to let play its course right now

not really leaving me with a lot of targets lol

i;m still up in the air about how i feel on syn right now - maybe a touch wolfy

nothing from el barto

nothing from kage

don't recall anything taffy said

gira just joined so shruggos

leaving me with ender, i guess?

though it feels like this is just gonna be a game where i struggle to have strong reads (like every other game)

this is a new definition of doing nothing

just saying

even though I don't get a lot of impressions from these 1st impression reads :p