Cereal killer mafia

[Syn]

On one hand I think Sleep wolf over Cape.

on the other hand the urge to break the tie late makes my fingers itch

may you be on the frontlines of the next emu war

[EnderWiggin]

may you be on the frontlines of the next emu war

Hell yes. My dream come true

[Suibian]

I'm torn. I guess I'd expect a little more paranoia from cape, but he seems like lol. And I don't want to vote sleep. hrm.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm torn. I guess I'd expect a little more paranoia from cape, but he seems like lol. And I don't want to vote sleep. hrm.

If you obviously seem to think Cape is more sus than Sleep...

Why aren't you willing to vote that?

Don't want to too overtly defend your buddy?

[Suibian]

If you obviously seem to think Cape is more sus than Sleep...

Why aren't you willing to vote that?

Don't want to too overtly defend your buddy?

I'm pretty sure I've already gone all in on defending sleep

[Raskolnikov]

COming back to your earlier post Ladd, hopefully it will help you solving me:

contrary to what you said Suibian wasn't my top villa read as you make it sound, I was rather trying to gauge for deep wolf possibility most of D3 (first Jan, later Suibian). Because as stated that day with a consensus POE of Sleep/Cape/me, I knew there would be one if it wasn't exactly Sleep/Cape (and if I count this right, 3MLs looses us the game, so since I am villa, I was trying to solve outside that POE)

Fwiw Jan, these posts have nothing to do with yours. Because it doesn't work like this. I don't have to meet your expectations about what is a villager. If you are one, it's your job to find me. But I am more and more convinced you aren't one anyway so moot point I guess.

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has prolly been decided a long time ago.


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One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).

This is me posting about a ping I had about SUibian that noone talked about. Trying to get reactions.

Might as well

Vote: Jan

(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)

This is me stating my position on the slot at the time (I had already made a post about it since I checked that EOD1 to see if what SUibian was saying - ie Jan convinced her Wisdom wasn't a good vote D1 - was real, since I wasn't around for EOD1). I specifically said that I'd consider Visor's read because I trust him as a good villager (might be my mistake tbh )

What's your current read on Suibian? NGL the bold part made me giggle.

This is me probbing Cape about a potential partner (literraly asking for spew, not in a very subtile way I concede)

Found this. Iirc the only mention about Ladd before that was that he had not posted many AI things. So potential TMI?

@Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?

Me calling out sleep on a mistake he made. Same, probbing Suibian for partnership equity.

Which switch are you talking about? I know it's not the time for lenghty posts but I can still provide pointers if you ask for them? I do tend to avoid posting all the things that go in my head. For the best, trust me.

This is me getting pinged by the very sudden suspicion from Suibian one hour before EOD (like why now? how the things she is saying makes me a wolf??? it's actually the opposite smh, it's very townie to be a chaotic agent readwise, simply because you don't plan them, you don't build them in a reasonable way like you would be tempted to do fakesolving as a wolf, you just have them processing what you are reading)

If you obviously seem to think Cape is more sus than Sleep...

Why aren't you willing to vote that?

Don't want to too overtly defend your buddy?

This is Ender's post that was the catallyst of my (unvalid) vote switch. All the stuff that I had in mind suddenly went in order, and SUibian/SLeep was then the most sensible world there was for me at this time, so I tryed to flip wagons.


All this to say SUibian has been an ongoing solving for most of that EOD, and wasn't certainly a top villa read to start with.


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Now that this has been said, I have found nothing to clear Cape either, as I have stated most of D3. I will be rereading it now to make my mind about this dome.


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I agree with Visor though, with 2 MLs allowed and only 2, if we fail today, tmr should be reevalution day, not just going through the current POE. Let's hope we nail the final wolf today though.

[Raskolnikov]

whoa wolfy wallpost

[Cape90]

I'm torn. I guess I'd expect a little more paranoia from cape, but he seems like lol. And I don't want to vote sleep. hrm.

I am paranoid, but im just reserving it til after today, like I tried extending an olive branch to Sleep when he popped in the thread recently but... you know nothing.

But combined with that and me not really caring about my previous towncase on Sleep, it makes me just want to assume the i guess assumable

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[Visor]

vote: sleep

[EnderWiggin]

Last second sleep snipe who volunteers?

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: sleep

(buying what Ender is saying)

[Gemma]

Votal 3.7

Sleep (5) - Cape (#736), ladd (#900), Ender (#963), Syn (#973), Visor (#1013)
Cape (4) - Sleep (#811), Rask (#921), Jan (#958), Suibian (#1007)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sleep is yuüt. Flip incoming.

[Visor]

Vote: sleep

(buying what Ender is saying)

[Suibian]

Vote: sleep

(buying what Ender is saying)

If you were buying what ender was selling, why did it take you that long to jump on sleep?

[ladd]

I'm torn. I guess I'd expect a little more paranoia from cape, but he seems like lol. And I don't want to vote sleep. hrm.

Why torn if you were clearly leaning cape wolf over sleep?

[ladd]

Re read a bit of d3

Think sui/rask are villas and cape is the wolf, i wont elaborate cause i am lazy


See you close to eod

[ladd]

Sui still my strongest v read among those 3

When sleep talked about them it felt very pocket-y and suibian has a looooot of villagery thoughts

[ladd]

Gotta say I think its Suibian for what Visor expanded on D3 and that EOD3. I actually voted sleep at eod because I thought she was scum so y.

Why did you think she was a wolf at eod?

Ender read was just based on sleep being a wolf afaict no?

You had suibian has like your top villa before eod

[Gemma]

Votal 4.2

Suibian (3) - Rask (#1021), Ender (#1024), Cape (#1064)
Cape (2) - Visor (#1061) ladd (#1063)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Cape90]

Vote: Jan

well I dislike ur posting today so uh die

[Suibian]

Why torn if you were clearly leaning cape wolf over sleep?

As I was catching up I had pretty much decided I was going to vote Rask yesterday due to how strongly syn was pushing it, his read changes feeling off and my regret from not doing it the day before. But by the time I caught up he was no longer a wagon and it was between cape/sleep with me breaking the tie which made me feel more pressure to get it right. I did consider that regardless of sleep’s alignment maybe I should vote there anyway because he’d clearly given up, would be too busy to play the next day to turn around suspicion and maybe I was wrong. I did wonder if perhaps I was trying too hard to make him town when I shouldn’t be. If my reasons were dumb or if I was dinging my heels in because I was feeling a bit contrarian considering some of the case was based on us being partners. In that case then I shouldn’t hijack the day and not vote him for those dumb reasons, but then I thought about his post yesterday where he complained about getting tunneled a lot for dumb reasons, and I remembered that when I was reading through his forum posts to see if he was gira, it looked like he didn’t have a good time in his last game here, so then that made me feel bad and not want to vote him again.

In the midst of me considering that maybe it would be better game wise to vote him, cape was posting so weirdly. While I did think he was more likely to be scum, he did have some townie sounding posts, which was also fueling my “maybe I should go ahead and vote gira” thoughts. I wondered if he was scum against town or partner and didn’t know what to do so was throwing a bunch of posts to make it look like he was doing something. I didn’t know what to make of it and it made a mess of what I was trying to decide there.

As far as why I lacked paranoia on him this game? I have been able to get to a mostly town read on him based on his thoughts and reads before. And my paranoia on him stems from how capable I consider him to be as scum. The games that I’ve gotten paranoid of him isn’t because he looks scummy for the most part. It stems from me thinking I’m being snowed. The game I had an innocent on him and thought he could be a godfather stemmed in part from a jackass who fake claimed masons with scum and a push that I thought could be scum motivated. So my paranoia is usually when he’s playing well and I worry he’s going deep. Here it was all because I know he can play well as scum that I thought even if busy, he’d be able to make minimal effort as scum that would help his team. And I think when you are super busy like that it’s almost easier to be scum because you can just make shit up instead of have to actually think. So I thought he’d feel an obligation to his team to help in some way rather than what he was doing here. While I was not paranoid of him this game, I did consider that my reasoning for the read wasn’t great since it was based on how I thought he wouldn’t behave as scum which is always dangerous.

[Suibian]

Whoa that was longer than I thought. It’s a mass inside my head lol

[Suibian]

*mess inside my head

[Suibian]

Rask while it is townie to change your reads; it doesn’t mean all read changes are townie especially when they don’t read like real changes.

[Cape90]

As I was catching up I had pretty much decided I was going to vote Rask yesterday due to how strongly syn was pushing it, his read changes feeling off and my regret from not doing it the day before. But by the time I caught up he was no longer a wagon and it was between cape/sleep with me breaking the tie which made me feel more pressure to get it right. I did consider that regardless of sleep’s alignment maybe I should vote there anyway because he’d clearly given up, would be too busy to play the next day to turn around suspicion and maybe I was wrong. I did wonder if perhaps I was trying too hard to make him town when I shouldn’t be. If my reasons were dumb or if I was dinging my heels in because I was feeling a bit contrarian considering some of the case was based on us being partners. In that case then I shouldn’t hijack the day and not vote him for those dumb reasons, but then I thought about his post yesterday where he complained about getting tunneled a lot for dumb reasons, and I remembered that when I was reading through his forum posts to see if he was gira, it looked like he didn’t have a good time in his last game here, so then that made me feel bad and not want to vote him again.

In the midst of me considering that maybe it would be better game wise to vote him, cape was posting so weirdly. While I did think he was more likely to be scum, he did have some townie sounding posts, which was also fueling my “maybe I should go ahead and vote gira” thoughts. I wondered if he was scum against town or partner and didn’t know what to do so was throwing a bunch of posts to make it look like he was doing something. I didn’t know what to make of it and it made a mess of what I was trying to decide there.

As far as why I lacked paranoia on him this game? I have been able to get to a mostly town read on him based on his thoughts and reads before. And my paranoia on him stems from how capable I consider him to be as scum. The games that I’ve gotten paranoid of him isn’t because he looks scummy for the most part. It stems from me thinking I’m being snowed. The game I had an innocent on him and thought he could be a godfather stemmed in part from a jackass who fake claimed masons with scum and a push that I thought could be scum motivated. So my paranoia is usually when he’s playing well and I worry he’s going deep. Here it was all because I know he can play well as scum that I thought even if busy, he’d be able to make minimal effort as scum that would help his team. And I think when you are super busy like that it’s almost easier to be scum because you can just make shit up instead of have to actually think. So I thought he’d feel an obligation to his team to help in some way rather than what he was doing here. While I was not paranoid of him this game, I did consider that my reasoning for the read wasn’t great since it was based on how I thought he wouldn’t behave as scum which is always dangerous.

i kinda like this post

but also kinda do not like it at all

[ladd]

As I was catching up I had pretty much decided I was going to vote Rask yesterday due to how strongly syn was pushing it, his read changes feeling off and my regret from not doing it the day before. But by the time I caught up he was no longer a wagon and it was between cape/sleep with me breaking the tie which made me feel more pressure to get it right. I did consider that regardless of sleep’s alignment maybe I should vote there anyway because he’d clearly given up, would be too busy to play the next day to turn around suspicion and maybe I was wrong. I did wonder if perhaps I was trying too hard to make him town when I shouldn’t be. If my reasons were dumb or if I was dinging my heels in because I was feeling a bit contrarian considering some of the case was based on us being partners. In that case then I shouldn’t hijack the day and not vote him for those dumb reasons, but then I thought about his post yesterday where he complained about getting tunneled a lot for dumb reasons, and I remembered that when I was reading through his forum posts to see if he was gira, it looked like he didn’t have a good time in his last game here, so then that made me feel bad and not want to vote him again.

the bolded is what i thought overnight was ~lock clearing for suibian cause it completely lines up with them saying this earlier in the game about having to read sleep posts to know who sleep was (gira)


i know for a fact that gira got tilted in an earlier game on org (cause i was in it) so taht shows me they ACTUALLY read through sleep iso to check who they were and that just doesnt happen if they are w/w imo



this is the cherry on topping but I do think they are a villager in general but the above just seems very hard to fake



so ya for me its rask or jan (esp if jan is clearing suibian and they cannot be w/w)

[Jan]

the bolded is what i thought overnight was ~lock clearing for suibian cause it completely lines up with them saying this earlier in the game about having to read sleep posts to know who sleep was (gira)


i know for a fact that gira got tilted in an earlier game on org (cause i was in it) so taht shows me they ACTUALLY read through sleep iso to check who they were and that just doesnt happen if they are w/w imo



this is the cherry on topping but I do think they are a villager in general but the above just seems very hard to fake



so ya for me its rask or jan (esp if jan is clearing suibian and they cannot be w/w)

Yeah.

Basically 2 between you me and Rask can die and we have to hope the wolf is in there.
Which is easy success for the person who endgames as either alignment.

[Raskolnikov]

I take the occasion of this EOD to make it clear that Taffy was really goated and on steroid this game (just reread this lol)

"Also those who don't cooperate will be wallposted at. Long, rambling, sleep deprived wallposts with such poor formatting you'll run to the archives and stare wistfully at Monty's old games."

lmao.

(nothing game relevant to add rn. I stopped reading mid D2 because the game thread went live heh)

[Suibian]

vote: cape

I guess

[EnderWiggin]

My post timing is now hilarious.