17er Saints and Martyrs

[Jan]

wdym for a normal player

like gh palying normally or

also why for hiso wn sake does he not loike woofing

He barely plays these days as far as I know and coming back for a game as villager is overall less pressure.

Not basing it on "normal gh" just normal/average player. I don't think I know normal gh outside of the odd mash well enough to judge him.

You legit asked me to read tea leaves so all you get is tea leaves and some prayers.

[Gemma]

He barely plays these days as far as I know and coming back for a game as villager is overall less pressure.

Not basing it on "normal gh" just normal/average player. I don't think I know normal gh outside of the odd mash well enough to judge him.

You legit asked me to read tea leaves so all you get is tea leaves and some prayers.

[Arctic]

I guess I agree with the take that GH would probably feel more pressured to do something here as mafia but dya's first read being this over anything else is pretty bad imo

I don't think I like anything gemma has posted either

[Logic]

There are a lot of words on this page I didn't read.

I did catch that Dya called GH a villager. I came to the same conclusion via different means. I think by now he would have broached the subject of Traitors on Peacock if he were a wolf, if only to apologize that he hadn't gotten to it yet

[Gemma]

There are a lot of words on this page I didn't read.

I did catch that Dya called GH a villager. I came to the same conclusion via different means. I think by now he would have broached the subject of Traitors on Peacock if he were a wolf, if only to apologize that he hadn't gotten to it yet

i was about to swap my vote to visor but now the dogged detrermination has set in >:[

i alos have no idea if this is a real read or not lol

[Logic]

i was about to swap my vote to visor but now the dogged detrermination has set in >:[

i alos have no idea if this is a real read or not lol

100% gin-u-win

[Logic]

I have already conflated Zack and visor (currently slightly sus to me)
and also Gemma and Enderwiggan. (Light town)

I don't think the org is all that mobile friendly. Lol

[nebjiamn]

I have already conflated Zack and visor (currently slightly sus to me)
and also Gemma and Enderwiggan. (Light town)

I don't think the org is all that mobile friendly. Lol

Are you wolf reading/town reading both heads of these pairs or just the latter halves

[Logic]

Are you wolf reading/town reading both heads of these pairs or just the latter halves

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

[Logic]

I'm off to bed as it's nearly 10 PM here.

HMU with any of your Logic takes and I'll answer them in the morning.

[Gemma]

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

[nebjiamn]

If you'll see my previous post, for Zack and visor, it's because I often can't tell them apart. Rereading page 1 has me separating the two a tad, as I'm null reading visor as being lazy for now. Zack is only getting minor points below null, but I'll let him simmer more.

Ender and Gemma are conflated into towny because my brain is thinking their avatars look alike, and I'm forgetting who said what.

….

what

[Gemma]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

[Hally]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

i don’t understand this post

not even as in i think it’s wolfy, i just don’t really understand what you’re trying to say

wdym you were going to pretend to wolf read jan? why lol

[Gemma]

i don’t understand this post

not even as in i think it’s wolfy, i just don’t really understand what you’re trying to say

wdym you were going to pretend to wolf read jan? why lol

idk i come up with weird ways to try to amuse myself / others lol

what dont u understand tho

[ladd]

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i mean if you planned to pretend to w read jan and the start of the game and then he actually pinged you, why not push him? seems like the logic(al) conlusion to me

what posts from jan pinged you?

[Wisdom]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

[nebjiamn]

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

[Wisdom]

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

[nebjiamn]

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

i vibe with this statement a lot, ya

games gonna suck if gemma is v. missing on gh/logic/gemma would be super rough

[Arctic]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

this is classic first townread TMI stuff on a villa and gemma was p clearly not townreading her partners
same with all of her other stuff about ender imo

[nebjiamn]

i think this will boil down to whether or not i/we put dya back into the poe if we miss on vanta/wisdom/ender (i doubt we go anyone outside these 3 today?)

happy to hear opinions on hally too (@arctic tbh i feel like i don't know your fleshed out hally read right now besides that you must think she's a villager cause you're pushing wisdom)

[Arctic]

and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here

sup wisdom

i pinged you in wolfchat pls respond

vote: wisdom

idk this is never happening im just not feeling it on ender rn sorry ladd

i think this will boil down to whether or not i/we put dya back into the poe if we miss on vanta/wisdom/ender (i doubt we go anyone outside these 3 today?)

happy to hear opinions on hally too (@arctic tbh i feel like i don't know your fleshed out hally read right now besides that you must think she's a villager cause you're pushing wisdom)

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf

[nebjiamn]

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

[nebjiamn]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

this feels a lot similar to a game dya/nutella had some v/v back and forths here on the org (although it never escalated to that level w/ hally here)

hard for me to see dya!w the mroe i think about that (i probly shouldn't factor this in but /shrug)

[Hally]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

i really really do not want to talk about this more but i don’t think their frustration is out of their wolf range at all

i believe dya was genuinely mad at me regardless of alignment for lol’ing at them

and i have seen them lash out at others in a personal way as wolf (i distinctly remember them doing that to disq/smartbomb in one of their champs games and i town read them from spec chat because i thought they wouldn’t go there as a wolf and it was wrong)

i’ve also seen them hard AtE and self vote and ask to get lunched as wolf because they were so frustrated with the suspicion on them

i will never town read them for posting stuff like that

not talking about this again because i feel bad i upset them regardless so dont ask me about it

[Hally]

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf

syn was a backup not goon so i don’t think it matters from a role standpoint which of syn/gemma dies first

but yeah just from how syn/gemma were posting i think wolves would prefer syn dying over gemma, it just doesn’t feel like gemma was ever really in consideration though? backreading EoD it felt like it was always gonna be syn or logic imo (maybe it felt different in real time though) and dya couldn’t have voted logic given their reads

unironically though dya not pushing syn/visor harder/earlier is one of the things holding me back from thinking it’s dya because i remember them being inclined to bus as a wolf and i’m not sure they would actually let syn/visor die without getting some cred there

[Arctic]

syn was a backup not goon so i don’t think it matters from a role standpoint which of syn/gemma dies first

but yeah just from how syn/gemma were posting i think wolves would prefer syn dying over gemma, it just doesn’t feel like gemma was ever really in consideration though? backreading EoD it felt like it was always gonna be syn or logic imo (maybe it felt different in real time though) and dya couldn’t have voted logic given their reads

unironically though dya not pushing syn/visor harder/earlier is one of the things holding me back from thinking it’s dya because i remember them being inclined to bus as a wolf and i’m not sure they would actually let syn/visor die without getting some cred there

well i did say i was going to vote gemma so i thought it was possible maybe

and idk what meta you're referring to, dya doesn't seem big on bussing in my experience