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[nebjiamn]

ben seems to want to read me as a wolf this game

I don’t wanna read you any way, it’s just how I’m reading things so far

[nebjiamn]

vote: Enderwiggin


dislike the Arctic turnaround and timing

[Hally]

umm but seriously speaking

even if the main reason for rask's push is being underwhelming, that's not much better either? because everyone is underwhelming lol. half the list isn't even playing yet. it's a light game and everyone's kinda messing around, so i don't think it makes sense to single you out for this. i also don't know if i'd consider this wolfy for you even if you weren't the only person doing this because i'm used to you kinda doing nothing in turbos on day 1 as town and trying harder as mafia

it did feel like rask was sussing a lot of people - he said he felt meh on you and benneh and sussed me, logic, and murska - that's 5 people, and maybe they aren't fleshed out wolfreads but the implication is still kinda there. and idk i'm just kinda predisposed to wolfread this personally cuz i got off a wolfgame where i kinda did the same game, and "how easy this person is to push" wasn't something i really thought about at this early of a stage, wolves don't need to push everyone they wolfread, they just need to sow the seeds and see what sticks

i have played with logic before yes, once, and i incorrectly suspected him in that game mostly because of the way he spoke in binary/absolute terms and seeming generally awkward in the way he came across, so i haven't found the pushes on him in this game convincing even though i don't townread him either. i said that about rask cuz i thought they were acting in a way that's w/w with logic even though i don't wolfread logic - that is, trying to milk cred for pushing him when he's barely done that (but according to everyone this is just a joke so w/e), and also his last post about me is implying a townread because of a preflip of logic wolf if i understand correctly. so yeah

oh and answering 209 at the same time - wait actually i kinda already answered this, i don't really think you lacking is wolfy because of my experience with you in turbos

mm okay, i think your expectations of what rask would do as wolf might be off because you’re very comfortable posting a ton and pushing villagers and power wolfing and stuff but i don’t think most wolves are actually like that, and though afaik rask is not a bad wolf i don’t thiiiink he’s that kind of wolf


also ftr i absolutely would not just do nothing D1 in a normal game lol, the reason i don’t really do anything D1 in turbos a lot of the time is cuz lolturbos they’re just a crapshoot mostly. it’s harder to process stuff and make reads i feel good about so quickly when everyone is posting so fast and i don’t have time to read back and think about stuff

i thought that was kinda self evident but ig not lol

[Zack]

if benneh isnt v i will be a sad boi

[nebjiamn]

if benneh isnt v i will be a sad boi

Is this a bad time to mention idk what Asari high command is

[Zack]

Is this a bad time to mention idk what Asari high command is

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This is Asari high command.

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hello!

[Arctic]

mm okay, i think your expectations of what rask would do as wolf might be off because you’re very comfortable posting a ton and pushing villagers and power wolfing and stuff but i don’t think most wolves are actually like that, and though afaik rask is not a bad wolf i don’t thiiiink he’s that kind of wolf


also ftr i absolutely would not just do nothing D1 in a normal game lol, the reason i don’t really do anything D1 in turbos a lot of the time is cuz lolturbos they’re just a crapshoot mostly. it’s harder to process stuff and make reads i feel good about so quickly when everyone is posting so fast and i don’t have time to read back and think about stuff

i thought that was kinda self evident but ig not lol

I get that in turbos it's harder to make reads but imo if you have the mindset that you aren't going to force yourself to make reads when there's not much to go off then I think it could easily apply here when most people were shitposting and there wasn't much to go off either, I dunno why it's weird for me to expect you to be tryharding given my experience with you and the state of the game lol. I don't really go after people doing nothing, I go after people being wolfy, this is usually ends up being the reason I either goat or fall flat on my face

and with that said

vote: dyachei

same reason everyone has given

[EnderWiggin]

if benneh isnt v i will be a sad boi

You and him do make "The Towncore of people who sus me."

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Enderwiggin


dislike the Arctic turnaround and timing

And I'd do it again.

[Syn]

The lack of people appreciating my master bait on GH is sad tbh.

i love it when you master bait personally

[Hally]

if benneh isnt v i will be a sad boi

i’ve been mentally slotting you both as villas as kind of a package deal since i started town reading you so if either one of you is a wolf i will simply blame the other for mindmelding with a wolf and getting pocketed like a noob

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fr though, if there’s a wolf between you guys i think it’s benneh cuz there are points where i do feel like he is kinda regurgitating exactly what you just said and making a point of how much he agrees with you lol

but tbh i think he would also “pocket” you as v/v and i don’t really think he would align with you so hard as w/v unless you’re wrong about everything. don’t fuck up zack

[Arctic]

maybe i'm jumping the gun a bit on gemma a bit cuz they haven't done much either but their posts kinda fall between doing nothing / trying to do something and failing

apparently they townread ender for the bait to GH which seemed completely NAI to me and reads more as pockety towards ender, and the general focus on GH over.. anything else just kinda seems wolfy

am i being too uncharitable here? i'm worried i'm just construing normal posting as bad cuz i wanna find something but like i don't really get what they're doing. same applies to dya. both feel like struggly wolf entrances

btw i don't really think ender is a wolf, i think he's kinda playing his all over the place towngame which gets him killed a lot (this is bladescape, right?) and him going back and forth over stuff doesn't really seem calculated to me

[Gemma]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

[Gemma]

vote: Enderwiggin


dislike the Arctic turnaround and timing

hum

can you talk about why

[Gemma]

just to be clear, ender's post was bad because it was dismissive and felt disingenuous in an agenda'd / trying to control the narrative kind of way / suggesting my read was fallacious and bad but without pushing or suspecting me

it's just the kind of post where i read it and immediately think wow, a wolf probably made this post

i dont care if someone townreads logic or doesnt wanna kill him, i mean whatever it's like a quarter into day people dont need to agree with me

nice im terrible

[Zack]

nice im terrible

uh

you saying you didnt like that ender post and bringing it up again is what prompted me to make that post

[Hally]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

i don’t understand this post

not even as in i think it’s wolfy, i just don’t really understand what you’re trying to say

wdym you were going to pretend to wolf read jan? why lol

[Gemma]

Vote: Arctic

Okay I actually take back my earlier read

???

[ladd]

oh another thing, he talked a bunch about how rask was reading me but i don’t think he actually gave any thoughts on my posts besides that rask was wrong to call them pockety? tbh i kinda expected arctic would also think i was #lacking because he only knows me from turbos where he thinks i’m one of the strongest villagers and i wasn’t really posting like a strong villager which i feel like should have concerned him?

idk i might be wildin about this cuz people don’t seem to agree, would appreciate people talking about it esp the people that town read him

Nah you are right

Rask is a villager and artic push on them felt super malicious

And not beacause rask is a villager, the reasoning just feels way off...rask is a wolf for fosing a lot of people? Cmn friendo thats not a real reason

[nebjiamn]

hum

can you talk about why

Feels like it aligns with a kind of wave of anti-Arctic sentiment that arrived around that time that makes it feel opportunistic and whereas hally has fleshed out a read/reason to find Arctic wolfy I just don’t get that sense with ender that it’s that deep and more just idk, wish washy in a way

plus the earlier thing about logic

[Arctic]

Nah you are right

Rask is a villager and artic push on them felt super malicious

And not beacause rask is a villager, the reasoning just feels way off...rask is a wolf for fosing a lot of people? Cmn friendo thats not a real reason

omd that was a tangential reason for sussing them T_T
good morning to you too

[Gemma]

uh

you saying you didnt like that ender post and bringing it up again is what prompted me to make that post

yes

but i also just finished trying to articulate a v read on him

so your saying things that make sense doesnt exactly help my soul

[Zack]

Nah you are right

Rask is a villager and artic push on them felt super malicious

And not beacause rask is a villager, the reasoning just feels way off...rask is a wolf for fosing a lot of people? Cmn friendo thats not a real reason

wolfchat sent the ladd signal eh

[ladd]

omd that was a tangential reason for sussing them T_T
good morning to you too

Hallo

it just felt real forced while i was catching uo, maybe ill re read the exchange better later (or maybe not)


Syn feels super different from all their other org games and they were a villager in all of them so uh not a good sign

[ladd]

wolfchat sent the ladd signal eh

Gh told me you were grilling logic and to come bring down the shield on him

[Gemma]

i don’t understand this post

not even as in i think it’s wolfy, i just don’t really understand what you’re trying to say

wdym you were going to pretend to wolf read jan? why lol

idk i come up with weird ways to try to amuse myself / others lol

what dont u understand tho

[Zack]

open spreadsheet

shift ladd from null to the kinda wolfy column

close spreadsheet

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"SUPER malicious" (not really)

"SUPER different" (he seems like normal syn 2 me lol)

emphasis mine, i put super in all caps so it looks even worse

[Hally]

Nah you are right

Rask is a villager and artic push on them felt super malicious

And not beacause rask is a villager, the reasoning just feels way off...rask is a wolf for fosing a lot of people? Cmn friendo thats not a real reason

well i was starting to think i was completely dumb cuz nobody acknowledged it but i feel better now lol

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inb4 ladd wolf :cantlook:

[nebjiamn]

if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi

[ladd]

open spreadsheet

shift ladd from null to the kinda wolfy column

close spreadsheet

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"SUPER malicious" (not really)

"SUPER different" (he seems like normal syn 2 me lol)

emphasis mine, i put super in all caps so it looks even worse

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