17er Saints and Martyrs

[Syn]

this is a game i plan on investing exactly 6% energy into so this is about what you should expect unless someone tilts me and i throw a tantrum

anyway hi ender how's it going

[Raskolnikov]

Visor still town.

Arctic back to scum lean (I mean you would say the determination to paint me in a bad way is villagery - I mean it took me to read some of his posts twice to underestand what he was talking about, like my "push" on Hally - I made an observation, didn't even out a read - but actually I think he might be stuck into that mode for various wolfy reasons. like he saw it worked since Ender, Benneh, and I seemed to switch reads on his slot, also it does look towny. But actually it isn't simply because he isn't solving my slot.)

Syn's wolfing. (if you are wondering, he is the kind of player, like Visor, you can read after 2 posts and ignore for the rest of the game if villa. But this time he is a wolf. YEET)

Logic is really struggling to get into the thread. Even voicing it after several excuses allready. prolly a wolf too.

Dya dunno. I noted they were quick to townread Zack after he susses them but maybe nothing.

rest I have no idea.

(well Hally trending up, Zack looks good too. Benneh/Ender/GH null)

Jan I need to read a wolf game somewhere (link?) or just sheep gemma (I have her villa rn for tone only which might be dumb but not so much aorn)

Ladd is a pro and most likely villa: He is stealing all my reads (disclaimer: this isn't a real read. no idea on Ladd)

[Raskolnikov]

Now I'll seat back and let Visor tunnel Wisdom. (a future meme to be sure)

[Raskolnikov]

this is a game i plan on investing exactly 6% energy into so this is about what you should expect unless someone tilts me and i throw a tantrum

YEET YEET YEET
YEET
YEET
YEET

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[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Syn

no idea on the vc though @Totally not Taffy

[Syn]

Syn's wolfing. (if you are wondering, he is the kind of player, like Visor, you can read after 2 posts and ignore for the rest of the game if villa. But this time he is a wolf. YEET)

mean

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Syn

I have no thoughts of my own.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Morning

Ended up being sick enough to justify calling out of work today, so at least there are some silver linings

Logic's read on me doesn't super make much sense but honestly I think he came about it in a town way, it's just so far out there lol. Like before I called it a night last night I was anticipating dropping a vote on him at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment to go with it but I think he may have avoided that fate, idk. Further elaboration pending further developments

Wisdom probably pinged me the most, think it boils mostly down to "feels" but there's probably something tangible in there I could talk about were I able to gin up the energy to

I'm going back to sleep now

[Raskolnikov]

mean

yeah true. I can't help but shitpost even if this is a serious read bronana. You are lacking your usual snark and agressivity tbh. Think someone else mentionned it (Ladd?).


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I agree with Jan that murska may be the wolf failing into the Arctic trap, unless Arctic is a wolf in the first place (which I have convinced myself overnight) so there is that. I don't think they could be together because that would be the most quick, unnecessary and hilarious bus in history. I liked murska's post about Zack and me because it is true but it's globally a slot that needs to do more to avoid being on the chopping block imo.

tl,dr murska null; not ww with Arctic.

[Wisdom]

GH wolf reading me right off the bat is probably towny? I mean, it’s generally towny to wolf read me, especially if that's not a known habit (which Visor's read is).

Syn town reading me is also nai, I wrongly tunneled him for it last time and before that I correctly town read him for it. Again, when it's a habit it’s easier to fake, I have no read there.

Rask going hard on Syn looks good, town point for Rask.

Ladd seeming a bit lost is honestly a good look for him, another town point there. Not really sure why I initially got pinged by him.

[Murska]

Morning (afternoon).

my reread got me sus vibes for EnderWiggin due to general sense of tension / defensiveness in posts. I'd like to suspect Jan a bit more, but they're sick, so I'll give it time.

However, my current parked vote doesn't seem useful for pressure (even though it might return to Arctic later, I'm not convinced) so I'll join this little push for no particular reason but to see what happens

Vote: Syn

[Murska]

I don't think they could be together because that would be the most quick, unnecessary and hilarious bus in history.

are you kidding? Putting a second vote on someone at the start of day is nowhere near a bus, I could switch it off later for pretty much any reason (like I just did).

[EnderWiggin]

Morning (afternoon).

my reread got me sus vibes for EnderWiggin due to general sense of tension / defensiveness in posts. I'd like to suspect Jan a bit more, but they're sick, so I'll give it time.

However, my current parked vote doesn't seem useful for pressure (even though it might return to Arctic later, I'm not convinced) so I'll join this little push for no particular reason but to see what happens

Vote: Syn

But you're okay voting with me? Sus.

[Murska]

But you're okay voting with me? Sus.

I'm voting with rask, you I can take or leave

[Jan]

Morning (afternoon).

my reread got me sus vibes for EnderWiggin due to general sense of tension / defensiveness in posts. I'd like to suspect Jan a bit more, but they're sick, so I'll give it time.

However, my current parked vote doesn't seem useful for pressure (even though it might return to Arctic later, I'm not convinced) so I'll join this little push for no particular reason but to see what happens

Vote: Syn

My health should not make a difference at this point. I am an active player in the game and should be judged as such.
You actually having a go at me might give others a chance to read you.

Because so far you are just a pile-on vote.


Wisdom has risen to obvious villa btw.

And Ender and Murska having the most awkward conversation makes me smile for reasons based on my reads.

Other than that I am sad that we apparently won't get to play the game today.

[EnderWiggin]

I see this is going to be one of those games.

[Murska]

So you know ..

I am european.
That it was 6 am when you made those posts.
and that I have one of the more annoying cases of covid going on right now (including fever headaches shivers loss of taste etc).

And the one person in this game you felt like you really needed at that moment in time is me?
When according to your own statement you thought me a wolf earlier?!

I have to assume that this is just a serious heat stroke on your part.

Anyway ... mostly back. Read stuff while in bed. Fed cats. Forced myself upright for a moment.
Maybe I even have thoughts in my next post but I would be surprised if they are all that different from Zacks recent word vomit (good vomit like a birb feeding smaller birbs).

Okay, well this post is terrible. why would town care about someone in the thread throwing a tiny prod at them, let alone fake this much emotional affect into an indignant reply up to bringing up real life problems? Then there's all the explaining of why you're not contributing, and that last birb part is extra faked to try to lighten the tone

[Jan]

I see this is going to be one of those games.

I mostly really dislike Murskas Syn vote.
I think your interaction following it read somewhat awkward but I could be wrong. (I tend to be wrong a lot. the important part is only to be right in the end)

My impression of the game right now:
Rask goes hard on syn.
Syn basically concedes.

I have reread d1 of cereal mafia (the game gemma hosted on here) because I was sure there was some polarizing interaction between them as well.
In that game Rask has Syn locked in as villa on page 1 in a similar way. (or rather the reverse way, but it is the same process).

I believe Ender knows this meta and is happy following right away with his empty vote.
Wisdom does not realize how bad Syn's position at this point is and just makes a post reading syn rask and ladd
Murska has a somewhat overexplaining pile on third vote on Syn.

I think Wisdom is fairly obvious villa here.
Murska is a likely partner.
And I am unsure about Ender.

[Murska]

Wow okay, I did not know the meta nor read Syn as lock wolf here. I just saw a push with what looked like okay reasoning and wanted to give it a kick downhill and see what happens.

[EnderWiggin]

My comment there was mostly exasperated snark because there are just some games where people seem to take every comment I post as wolfy somehow in an absolutely baffling display of aligning my words to what they have decided to believe.

It's not a "When I'm town" thing either because sometimes it happens when I'm wolf. So I think it's just a "My playstyle somehow occasionally falls into this line." (I would say it happens more when town but this is not researched and possibly skewed because it sticks in my memory more when I am actually town.)

Just feels like every post I make someone jumps on it in some way.

Not to find me but to sus me.


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Re: Syn. I know Rask has a ~good read on him, but I also was just sussing him so I wanted to see what happened when I joined Rask. I don't think Rask is as set as he says but the pressure/wagon will be a good way to find out.

[ladd]

I kinda lean villa on wisdom (regardless of anytging syn related)

I could explain why but its all meta so i doubt anyone cares

[Jan]

Wow okay, I did not know the meta nor read Syn as lock wolf here. I just saw a push with what looked like okay reasoning and wanted to give it a kick downhill and see what happens.

Apologies if true and this is some sort of friendly fire.

Just in case Rasks page 1 read on syn that game:

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old game quotes. not to be confused with ongoing game content

Good morning friendos and welcome to the finally out of retirement newcomers. (been there lol)

Yes Monty, this was a special edition of an Achro post from the last game lol.

I've determined through expert skill exercice that Syn is town.

+ Visors reaction (basically confirming said meta read)

The good news is that if syn is a wolf Monty and rask are his partners

And the reasoning explained:

Nothing... you are a friendo. But the read is there aorn: your tone and lack of doubt and circonvolution pings me as town!Syn. Not sure you play/care enough to make this evolve so there is that.

Compare that read with Rasks read this game on Syn.
Add Syn's "lame" reaction which feels like giving up.

[Jan]

Re: Syn. I know Rask has a ~good read on him, but I also was just sussing him so I wanted to see what happened when I joined Rask. I don't think Rask is as set as he says but the pressure/wagon will be a good way to find out.

I'd rather be happy than right tbh.
Because if I am right with any of this then today might be somewhat less interesting from here on out.

[EnderWiggin]

I'd rather be happy than right tbh.
Because if I am right with any of this then today might be somewhat less interesting from here on out.

You should join us in finding out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain, courteously

[Wisdom]

Can those who wolf read me and those who town read me fight each other in a sunrise duel? I counted it to 3-3 so should be fair!

Jan Ladd Syn vs GH Visor Rask

I'd bet there's 1-2 wolves in those 6.

[Jan]

Can those who wolf read me and those who town read me fight each other in a sunrise duel? I counted it to 3-3 so should be fair!

Jan Ladd Syn vs GH Visor Rask

I'd bet there's 1-2 wolves in those 6.

I don't think we can sync up our sunrises.
Any chance we can make it high noon instead?

[GeneralHankerchief]

rereading the overnight series of posts now that I'm fully awake proved to be less enlightening than I had hoped for

idk how I feel about Syn, the current wagon du jour, it straight up feels null/too early to me, not sure they've fully gotten into the game yet. Rask seems fine though so I'll probably just sheep him on whatever direction he ends up going in with that/passively let it happen maybe. ladd is less likely than Rask to be town but I think they both independently came to the same read which means that somebody who's actually paying attention and is town genuinely believes Syn to be scum through meta, so sure, lol. we shall see

dya I'm putting off to the side for now, will reeval when they come back in thread and make a few more posts

Arctic... seems ok I guess? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't fully processed their more recent posts but I just think he's town, lol, no real reason for it or anything. I do think part of this is a holdover from his early posting which struck me as a straight up case of TWTBAW but there's been nothing in his more recent stuff that's actively pinged me like a couple of other people have

I guess my main point of contention against Wisdom is the focuses (foci?) of her posts so far, it feels like she's kind of artificially picking and choosing what to discuss rather than naturally talking about whatever comes to mind. This probably isn't the best sequence/explanation but it just doesn't really pass the smell test for me in terms of nittery little stuff like formatting/conversational points and the timeliness thereof, etc

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Skimmed the last few pages (on phone, so I don't know how much info I actually absorbed).

- GH hasn't done anything AI yet, applause to Zack for acknowledging that
- Boo to Zack for the Logic tunnel. I think Logic is town.
- Both of these makes me kinda gut read Zack as villager too though.

- Ladd vibes town. There was a post someone called tryhard/wolfy that I just found inherently towny. That kind of contrast feels towny though, "someone" is probably town. I'll check out who before going to work.

Oh it's Zack hitting hard not agreeing with me once again.

Zack town
Logic town
Ladd town

GH null
I regret nothing!

I know this is like, impossible for Wisdom to argue against/even discuss really so I won't elaborate further, I don't really think I've even done a good job of articulating it myself. It just felt a bit off, idk really.

Ender's kind of in that Arctic zone but has straight up felt more likely to be mafia than Arctic when I read their posts than Arctic does. One of their recent posts feels like the wolfy kind of self-awareness specifically, but it's beyond that, it's a general penumbra really.

Also for Arctic yes, I am bladescape.

Mildly want to reverse my reverse on Arctic for the simple reason of actually having paid attention to my play more than most other people.

Back to Jan just because someone accused me of hopping off that.

Vote: Jan

bolded redtext by me for emphasis

[Wisdom]

I don't think we can sync up our sunrises.
Any chance we can make it high noon instead?

[Totally not Taffy]

This is the only correct answer to the Nic Cage question, but you're all forgiven bc I have tmi

Current Vote Count

Ender (3) : Zack, Benneh, Syn
Syn (3) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally
Vanta (1) : Visor
GH (1) : Gemma
Abstain (1) : GH

Haven't voted: Wisdom, Dyachei, Logic, Ladd, Vanta, Jan

Vote History

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vote: Arctic

vote: Arctic

vote: nebjiamn

Vote: Logic

Vote: logic

Vote: Logic

vote: logic

vote: Visor

Vote: Jan

Vote: EnderWiggin

vote: Raskolnikov

Vote: GH

Vote: Arctic

vote: Enderwiggin

vote: dyachei

vote: EnderWiggin

Vote: GH

Vote: vanta black

Vote: Jan

Vote: Syn

Vote: Syn

Vote: Syn

Vote: Abstain

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