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[Visor]

I can't follow wisdoms posts or process at all, like genuinely every post my reaction is p much water u talking about

Also vote: GH

See you fellas tomorrow

I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol

Someone else can figure them out lol

[Visor]

Logics posts on the last page are still bad lmao

I'll be back around EOD but won't be there for it obv

[Logic]

Lol

Thrilling push friend

Sometimes boring gets the job done.

Besides, it's the one I'm most confident in.

[nebjiamn]

?Vote: GH

[nebjiamn]

Think dyas posting has been better as they’ve had time to engage more with the game but I do still have a nagging feeling they just hit their stride and had a tough time starting

I have another thought there re: Arctic and their read on him but I will wait to articulate that til i get home and can read a bit more and also write a bit more on it if needed

[Vanta Black]

I'm gonna vote Vanta and see where the cards lie.
This is Texas hold-em, Vanta. What's in your pocket?

Between keeping the players straight in my head and trying to figure out how to get a votecount (ack, math? really?) I'm pretty much at sea here. To mix a metaphor.

Based on the last votecount I think I like the composition on Syn the best and would probably sheep that vote if I voted right now.

[Vanta Black]

Lol

Thrilling push friend

to be fair I'm probably the LHF here.

[Vanta Black]

I was told by Visor (iirc, might have been Zack) a player coming in from a different site (Giraffe, maybe?) and that they're "good people"

no idea if they have MU presence, guessing not

I've played on giraffeboards with Ender (as bladescape), Visor, and Raskol. I have played two games at MU and got mizzled D1 in the first one and D2 in the second so I would hardly call it a presence. I am a good person though!

[Vanta Black]

I did not realize until this game how much I rely on looking at a votecount!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Between keeping the players straight in my head and trying to figure out how to get a votecount (ack, math? really?) I'm pretty much at sea here. To mix a metaphor.

Based on the last votecount I think I like the composition on Syn the best and would probably sheep that vote if I voted right now.

any thoughts on Syn besides wagon comp?

ender/blade?

others?

[Vanta Black]

Right out of the gate I didn't think much of Arctic's entrance, and subsequent posts have not really helped me see him as town. Gonna reread Ladd and Syn and try to get a grip there.

[Vanta Black]

any thoughts on Syn besides wagon comp?

ender/blade?

others?

I have seen Ender's scum game and it's pretty scary. Have a lot of respect for his town game, too. But which is it? Research required. Kinda leaning town though atm.

[ladd]

Sometimes boring gets the job done.

Besides, it's the one I'm most confident in.

Why do you think they are a wolf?

[Logic]

Why do you think they are a wolf?

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

[ladd]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

whats wrong with their reaction tho?

Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour

i'd just be repeating the same things, they seem completely different from all the games i played with them on here. no bite, no reads, no bantering

in all those games they were a villager, my conclusion is that makes them a wolf

we'll see if i am right!

[ladd]

i am working from office tomorrow but i should def manage to get some pop ins in, probaby even for eod

gh/logic fairly or unfairly seem like a package deal to me right now. wouldnt be shocked if it's w/w but still dont care to go gh today



for the rest idt much has changed, besides liking benneh's post on me, he probaby doesnt bother to make that post as a wolf



arctic initial reasoning for suspecting dya is perfectly fair fwiw but also think dya is probably fine for now


ender/gemma are interesting, feels like that has a wolf, i lowkey didnt really like gemma's posting, it felt calculated.

wisdom seems off beat/in their own world/shoot from the hip like their villa game

no thoughts at all on vanda but not someone i wanna lunch d1 at all

[nebjiamn]

i am working from office tomorrow but i should def manage to get some pop ins in, probaby even for eod

gh/logic fairly or unfairly seem like a package deal to me right now. wouldnt be shocked if it's w/w but still dont care to go gh today



for the rest idt much has changed, besides liking benneh's post on me, he probaby doesnt bother to make that post as a wolf



arctic initial reasoning for suspecting dya is perfectly fair fwiw but also think dya is probably fine for now


ender/gemma are interesting, feels like that has a wolf, i lowkey didnt really like gemma's posting, it felt calculated.

wisdom seems off beat/in their own world/shoot from the hip like their villa game

no thoughts at all on vanda but not someone i wanna lunch d1 at all

I actually have the thought GH is more likely to make the post / shield on logic was w/v, particularly because of the timing and way he did it. Why do you discount this as a possibility? Why can’t he be a wolf defending V logic?

[ladd]

I actually have the thought GH is more likely to make the post / shield on logic was w/v, particularly because of the timing and way he did it. Why do you discount this as a possibility? Why can’t he be a wolf defending V logic?

i have wolfed with gh and i dont think gh is the type of wolf who decides to shield a villager who is very likely to be misunched (and its not like he is going weakly about it)


not impossible but eh

[GeneralHankerchief]

if I was mafia I'd let him wallow and just not bring it up really

[Raskolnikov]

whats wrong with their reaction tho?




i'd just be repeating the same things, they seem completely different from all the games i played with them on here. no bite, no reads, no bantering

in all those games they were a villager, my conclusion is that makes them a wolf

we'll see if i am right!

Add to that he went totally afk after the wagon started, it doesn't look good.

[Syn]

hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it

[Syn]

Add to that he went totally afk after the wagon started, it doesn't look good.

i wonder what i could possibly be doing at 2 AM in the morning

[Raskolnikov]

i have wolfed with gh and i dont think gh is the type of wolf who decides to shield a villager who is very likely to be misunched (and its not like he is going weakly about it)


not impossible but eh

why do it if they are ww? (a world you are considering that I see highly unlikely)

[Hally]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

this was vanta’s only game related post at the time you voted:

Okay, with absolutely very little meta to go on, in fact let's say none, I'm kinda townreading Raskol and Jan, kinda FOS on Arctic, Ladd, and Dyachie, and sorta null on everybody else. Also I guess Benneh is really Nebjiamn (my list came from the signup list).

I kinda go with vibes, at least early game, if you're wondering where this very lame reads list came from.

I do not agree with the dog name list. I would never name a dog something more than 2 syllables.

Sorry I haven't provided a lot of content, I got here late and was reading from the beginning.

Push me, I'll post more then.

wdym they’re going with the flow? i’m not sure how you get that from this post

also i don’t get what’s wrong with their reaction. they just said they feel lost, why is that wolfy?


logic’s posts still seem bad to me lol. i didn’t even remember vanta was itg until logic voted them. feel like he should be able to come up with something better than a vote on the lowest poster for dubious reasons

i acknowledge gh v reads him and is apparently never wrong so ig i’m fine just taking that at face value for today but idk man, if logic is still posting like this D2 and gh hasn’t explained why he’s so sure he’s a villager you should probably grill both of them cuz idgi

[Raskolnikov]

i wonder what i could possibly be doing at 2 AM in the morning

play the mafier game u silly

[Syn]

play the mafier game u silly

i'm removing luxembourg from the travel list

[Raskolnikov]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

[Zack]

Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so I guess.

Logics posts on the last page are still bad lmao

I'll be back around EOD but won't be there for it obv

yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off.

*I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

[dyachei]

When is eod? I'm currently truinn to phone post with an infant in my lap

[Syn]

hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it

but no really

most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along