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    especially tone in #555. :popcorn:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov View Post
    especially tone in #555. :popcorn:
    Yeah I kind of had a bad vibe about that whole exchange too. I pretty much consider you town by now.

    Some people are pretty close to 50 posts, so be careful yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murska View Post
    Yeah I kind of had a bad vibe about that whole exchange too. I pretty much consider you town by now.

    Some people are pretty close to 50 posts, so be careful yeah?
    Now that I see I am 4 posts from the cap (3 after this one) I am now more inclined to hit cap.

    I'm going to be passed out at EOD anyway (6 AM my time)

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    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:

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    I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

    Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

    There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

    Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

    Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

    Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

    TLDR
    After I flip villager, nuke visor.

    Vote: Visor
    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

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    I don't think I've ever seen gh be wrong about logic and he says he has a god read there. Why tf wouldn't I just take him at his word for a player I have a hard time reading. Particularly when I'm v reading gh

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    I don't think I've ever seen gh be wrong about logic and he says he has a god read there. Why tf wouldn't I just take him at his word for a player I have a hard time reading. Particularly when I'm v reading gh
    because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


    in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi

    vote: logic

    that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as

    idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hally View Post
    because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


    in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi

    vote: logic

    that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as

    idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him
    zack isn't my top villager, no.

    And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

    my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    zack isn't my top villager, no.

    And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

    my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks
    ??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


    i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hally View Post
    ??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


    i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal
    I don't have the EXPERIENCE with it hally. I have the experience with gh. so no, im not just gonna take zack on his word about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hally View Post
    ??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


    i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal
    you know this is pretty unfair of you because I didnt say much about the wolf reads on me for a long time. I let it go and tried to do my thing and really only brought up why I thought the wolf read on me for my read of gh wasn't quite right.

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    i'm out. Hope I'm dead come morning because this game stopped being fun

    glgl villagers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
    Why would I want to talk to you specifically in the game about the game right now? All your recent posts are about some combination of me being mafia, Logic being mafia, and how we're obviously at a stark impasse with the implication that it's not going to be bridged without flips.

    Furthermore, the tone of this post you made earlier today:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    Nah dude

    If you want to play the card where you appeal to authority and demand people falls in line and follows you, put on your big boy pants and explain it

    You're not the only person good at reading logic and I am nowhere close to a lock town, not even worth discussing read. When's the last time you even played with him?
    was uncalled for imo considering the at-the-time conversational progression and seemed like it was pretty firm in closing off avenues of discussion FMPOV

    the last thing, the literal last thing I wanted to do in this game, especially on D1, was be dragged into yet another Logic polarity debate and the very last thing I expected was to have you on the stark other side of it and I kind of just want it to go away so I can start playing some goddamned mafia but apparently that's not in the cards so whatever, flip him and we'll see who's right and who's going to have a miserable D2 tomorrow

    I don't really care if this is me being uncharitable at this point, I almost certainly am with this post, and I'm sure we'll have a chat about it postgame but right now I'm too frustrated to care

    I think Logic is town, the end

    if you want to have a conversation with me about the game then talk to me about a different slot
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    i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    Why would I want to talk to you specifically in the game about the game right now? All your recent posts are about some combination of me being mafia, Logic being mafia, and how we're obviously at a stark impasse with the implication that it's not going to be bridged without flips.
    I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon

    Furthermore, the tone of this post you made earlier today:



    was uncalled for imo considering the at-the-time conversational progression and seemed like it was pretty firm in closing off avenues of discussion FMPOV
    ?

    You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.

    the last thing, the literal last thing I wanted to do in this game, especially on D1, was be dragged into yet another Logic polarity debate
    What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol



    and the very last thing I expected was to have you on the stark other side of it and I kind of just want it to go away so I can start playing some goddamned mafia but apparently that's not in the cards so whatever, flip him and we'll see who's right and who's going to have a miserable D2 tomorrow

    I don't really care if this is me being uncharitable at this point, I almost certainly am with this post, and I'm sure we'll have a chat about it postgame but right now I'm too frustrated to care

    I think Logic is town, the end

    if you want to have a conversation with me about the game then talk to me about a different slot
    yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.
    sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


    ?

    You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


    What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol




    yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



    sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again
    you know that's not what I was getting at, you don't have to be a dick about it

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    supposed to be a chill game. all there is is fighting. yup, totally signed up for that

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    still think zack's town, btw. just not my top town. and i wonder if that's coming into play here because like people have all these expectations of how I should be reading other people and are making assumptions based on that.

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    zack, here's your recent posts in reverse order:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


    ?

    You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


    What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol




    yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



    sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again
    about me/logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
    about me/logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post




    about logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    he's so blatantly lurking and immediately responding to any mention of him that it's probably villagy
    about Murska. I'll give you this one

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

    Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

    Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

    I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so I guess.



    yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

    i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off.

    *I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

    1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

    2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

    3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

    primarily about me/logic

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    I can't follow wisdoms posts or process at all, like genuinely every post my reaction is p much water u talking about

    Also vote: GH

    See you fellas tomorrow
    a vote on me, right after our initial disagreement w/r/t Logic

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    Nah dude

    If you want to play the card where you appeal to authority and demand people falls in line and follows you, put on your big boy pants and explain it

    You're not the only person good at reading logic and I am nowhere close to a lock town, not even worth discussing read. When's the last time you even played with him?
    about me/Logic

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    Good post Hally

    I thought logic made some better posts this morning but the 100% confident shield drop from GH felt really premature, particularly with how GH has been playing so far

    Just feels put on idk
    about me/Logic

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    posted at 2:40 AM eastern, not about me/Logic

    ---

    this has been the full sum of your posts since the sun rose this morning in the USA. all but one of them has been about how logic is mafia. the great majority of them have been explicitly linking me with him

    the hell am I supposed to do with this lol

    I am fully aware that I was not charitable with some aspects of my prior post but cmon man, look at it from my POV and look at how our disagreement specifically is centered around meta.

    just vote Logic (or me, whatever, you get the point) and talk to me about a different slot in the game, please
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    Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

    I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

    More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

    #394 especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

    It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

    #81 was the original post that got me sus on them.

    Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

    But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

    The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

    Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

    Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

    GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

    I had other things I wanted to talk about...

    I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

    I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

    More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

    #394 especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

    It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

    #81 was the original post that got me sus on them.

    Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

    But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

    The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

    Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

    Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

    GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

    I had other things I wanted to talk about...

    I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

    I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

    More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

    #394 especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

    It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

    #81 was the original post that got me sus on them.

    Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

    But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

    The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

    Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

    Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

    GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

    I had other things I wanted to talk about...

    I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.
    I don't think the bold purple line comes from a wolf. The rest is fakable by a capable player. But specific reads like that where expectation clashes reality is very much a villager thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
    Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.
    what are you talking about? I said GH thinks you're lock town

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    I'm not sure what your emoji choice means, and therefore I'm choosing to ignore them.
    at the time you said "seems villa" then later after a few people said it was wolfy you said you agreed and had been thinking that too

    seemed odd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
    This gui died n1

    I rest my case

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    that's a beautiful ace attorney moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    This gui died n1

    I rest my case
    Fine, probably better to just follow the crowd at this point.
    If he's town I blame ladd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

    Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

    Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


    Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

    In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

    If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

    idk its so hard reading zack's d1 and not killing logic lol



    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

    I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

    More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

    #394 especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

    It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

    #81 was the original post that got me sus on them.

    Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

    But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.
    man i remembered how much i hated this jan wolfread from ender, the reasoning for it just seemed completely nonsensical



    @Hally i am almost done with d1 and you seem to have had 0 curiosity about me/rask wolfreading syn based on meta? you say they are rand unless someone has meta...me/rask say we have meta but you dont really explore it much/at all




    murska is 100% a villager from eod1 even if they didnt have the cliam btw, no need to tinfoil. idem with rask, they make post like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov View Post
    about GH and what I posted yesterday about his chat with Vanta:

    It did remind me what he was doing in an hydra game several years ago with my slot (was villa with Tyranno and he was a woof with Zackito): ie take a disconnected villager slot (I was just cramped by the 500 daily posts of the Alison/Mac slot lol) and shake it till it looks like dude isn't playing and is a wolf.

    I mean it is obvious Vanta don' t know 80% of the roster, is used to slow games with almost no posting etc. But still GH comes in, and ask for world view in a pressuring maner. Then does nothing with it. I mean aorn Vanta's slot is basically rand. So why bother with it now?
    So I figured mentionning it because it's totally in GH's book to spearhead a villa lunch like that. It's not damning but the pattern is there.

    Food for thought.
    like no chance a wolf write this post

    wisdom may be my 3rd strongest villaread from d1 re read tbh (even above benneh!)

    dya wolfreading me at eod while i am pushing syn doesnt seem an approach they would take as a wolf? idk i am a bit worried i am being too generous in making this kind of assumption but shrug.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    wisdom may be my 3rd strongest villaread from d1 re read tbh (even above benneh!)

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    Dear Jan,

    I hope this letter finds you well. We're at the lakehouse for the weekend, out here in sunny Illinois. I just got back from the courts, where the rest of them are still playing tennis and will be until the dark pulls them inside, although probably even still beyond then. Yesterday, we were hitting after hours balls like blind old men with canes and trilbies and laughing so hard we likely hadn't a hope of fielding our rackets even had the sun still been out. We still managed to belt a few through the negative space, all the same.

    It's all summer and spring here. I wish you could see the mulberry trees loaded with yellow and green over the stream where I'm penning this. You might think there'd been murder for how the water can run red at times. It's so still here. I can hear the water from the lake just a stone's throw away, and occasionally the miniature whirr of a pintail's call. Sometimes a flock of cranes goes over us with their colts, which I suppose makes it easy guess where south might be, imagining the sun weren't around of course. It is, though, and right now there's just a crack of canopy slicing and half the page golden. Kinda think the ink must feel real pretty.

    There's a sunburn drawing itself down over my neck and shoulders all the way down past my ass after we went skinny dipping yesterday. I know what you're thinking, but I did wear sunscreen. It must have washed off in the water.

    Related to being sunburned, we finished playing through Alan Wake 2 as a group (we shared around the controller in the one save file, which ended up working perfectly because the game frayed our nerves by turns and no one wanted to be at the head of it for long) and it was certainly memorable. I didn't enjoy the combat half as much as Control (which starts out one-note but gets increasingly symphonic), but the atmosphere of the game was every bit a Remedy wonder. I think you could probably play it even if you hadn't played the others, without losing too much from the experience. It occurs to me that the number of flashlights we have back home is zero. We have a couple Fenixes out here at the lake, though. They look like lightsabers.

    It's getting dark enough now that I can't much see the pen anymore. I hope the writing hasn't become too messy. Wondering where you are and what you're up to. Maybe one day you'll reply to one of these letters. May that day not come too late.

    Eternally yours,
    Gemma

    P.S., I've been spending an awful lot of time making out with a local boy named Jimothy. He's Finnish, and I haven't understood a single word he's said since I met him.

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