17er Saints and Martyrs

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, you had roughly a 12 hour posting gap between your most recent posts and your previous stretch in the thread. Aside from the whole Logic stuff, what stuck out most for you during that gap and why? (if it Jan, pick something else)

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

I think Vanta's real entry and feeling very much in their town style of investigation was probably the part that stuck out the most.

But because just posting this feels bad I'm gonna do a reread and make any other notes:

Ladd was pretty lacklustre through the spell. I think I'm okay with them voting Syn and I tend to view their D1 uncharitably unless we sync on viewpoint. And I'm trying to give them some room because of that.

Wisdom feels at odd with thread which is ~usually~ towny of them? I feel bad making that read though because that's not a good read.
(#420 I think was the biggest one that felt like this.)

Arctic metronome. Watch it go.

I don't remember any other thoughts during this time so eh I'll go with this.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually I wanna make a note here:
I think Dya is town. We traditionally are at loggerheads no matter our alignment but I like to try improving on this. So caveat I have been known to read them badly.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated.

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

[EnderWiggin]

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated.

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

Oh no I feel good about the Vanta read. That was more a "Just saying this and clicking post feels like a waste of my posts when I'm running low on posts."

That being said it's not a super strong read. Specifically the Hally Poke on P19 is something I'd expect out of a Town!Vanta, but it's one of very few bright spots amongst a lot of not much.

(Sorry Vanta now I'm bringing Meta into things =P)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed

[Arctic]

Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed

ngl the reads on ladd/hally feel pretty wolf shaped imo, things like "what town is gonna d1 ladd" and hally being threadspewed just feel like they are reads made from a wolf perspective rather than a villa trying to solve based on what's actually being posted. and i dunno what to make of the comment about visor

unrelatedly
@GeneralHandkerchief can you summarize your gemma thoughts from yesterday cuz you kinda seemed all over the place with that read - asking why she was town, floating her as a vote option, then deciding you wouldn't vote her today in 501, then voting her anyway - this isn't shade, just trying to see what was going on (ngl i was kinda in a similar boat)

unrelatedly x2 but to save posts
oh actually one thing about syn - i'm not even sure i'd say the push on ender means much for him either cuz they did it right after ladd pointed out they were playing different to their v game so maybe they felt like they were gonna die

[nebjiamn]

Unrelatedly but to save posts saying unrelatedly is funny unrelatedly