17er Saints and Martyrs

[EnderWiggin]

I know I just gave you grief for doing this, but you are also calling it out from murska, which I find a tad sus, regardless of who it comes from

I am an enigma and I stand by my right to be enigmatic.

[dyachei]

i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm also about ready to drop the shield on Logic, btw

[Hally]

I don't think I've ever seen gh be wrong about logic and he says he has a god read there. Why tf wouldn't I just take him at his word for a player I have a hard time reading. Particularly when I'm v reading gh

because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi

vote: logic

that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as

idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him

[dyachei]

because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi

vote: logic

that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as

idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him

zack isn't my top villager, no.

And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks

[Zack]

Why would I want to talk to you specifically in the game about the game right now? All your recent posts are about some combination of me being mafia, Logic being mafia, and how we're obviously at a stark impasse with the implication that it's not going to be bridged without flips.

I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon

Furthermore, the tone of this post you made earlier today:



was uncalled for imo considering the at-the-time conversational progression and seemed like it was pretty firm in closing off avenues of discussion FMPOV

?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.

the last thing, the literal last thing I wanted to do in this game, especially on D1, was be dragged into yet another Logic polarity debate

What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol

and the very last thing I expected was to have you on the stark other side of it and I kind of just want it to go away so I can start playing some goddamned mafia but apparently that's not in the cards so whatever, flip him and we'll see who's right and who's going to have a miserable D2 tomorrow

I don't really care if this is me being uncharitable at this point, I almost certainly am with this post, and I'm sure we'll have a chat about it postgame but right now I'm too frustrated to care

I think Logic is town, the end

if you want to have a conversation with me about the game then talk to me about a different slot

yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read

i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

[dyachei]

I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol




yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

you know that's not what I was getting at, you don't have to be a dick about it

[dyachei]

supposed to be a chill game. all there is is fighting. yup, totally signed up for that

[dyachei]

still think zack's town, btw. just not my top town. and i wonder if that's coming into play here because like people have all these expectations of how I should be reading other people and are making assumptions based on that.

[Hally]

zack isn't my top villager, no.

And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks

??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

[dyachei]

??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

I don't have the EXPERIENCE with it hally. I have the experience with gh. so no, im not just gonna take zack on his word about this

[dyachei]

??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

you know this is pretty unfair of you because I didnt say much about the wolf reads on me for a long time. I let it go and tried to do my thing and really only brought up why I thought the wolf read on me for my read of gh wasn't quite right.

[dyachei]

i'm out. Hope I'm dead come morning because this game stopped being fun

glgl villagers

[EnderWiggin]

Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

#394 especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

#81 was the original post that got me sus on them.

Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

I had other things I wanted to talk about...

I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

zack, here's your recent posts in reverse order:

I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol




yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

about me/logic

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

about me/logic

about logic

he's so blatantly lurking and immediately responding to any mention of him that it's probably villagy

about Murska. I'll give you this one

Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so I guess.



yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off.

*I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

primarily about me/logic

I can't follow wisdoms posts or process at all, like genuinely every post my reaction is p much water u talking about

Also vote: GH

See you fellas tomorrow

a vote on me, right after our initial disagreement w/r/t Logic

Nah dude

If you want to play the card where you appeal to authority and demand people falls in line and follows you, put on your big boy pants and explain it

You're not the only person good at reading logic and I am nowhere close to a lock town, not even worth discussing read. When's the last time you even played with him?

about me/Logic

Good post Hally

I thought logic made some better posts this morning but the 100% confident shield drop from GH felt really premature, particularly with how GH has been playing so far

Just feels put on idk

about me/Logic

The word tunnel has truly lost any meaning it once had

posted at 2:40 AM eastern, not about me/Logic

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this has been the full sum of your posts since the sun rose this morning in the USA. all but one of them has been about how logic is mafia. the great majority of them have been explicitly linking me with him

the hell am I supposed to do with this lol

I am fully aware that I was not charitable with some aspects of my prior post but cmon man, look at it from my POV and look at how our disagreement specifically is centered around meta.

just vote Logic (or me, whatever, you get the point) and talk to me about a different slot in the game, please

[EnderWiggin]

Hey GH.

I'll bite. Can you gimme a rundown of what you think of Jan? I know you sus me and all but figure I'll extend the same line to you as you have to Zack. =P

Also any other slot that you want to talk about. Or any slot you think I haven't talked about enough and should talk about. I've got a little bit of free time while I sit with lunch and I'm buzzing around this game thread rn.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hey GH.

I'll bite. Can you gimme a rundown of what you think of Jan? I know you sus me and all but figure I'll extend the same line to you as you have to Zack. =P

Also any other slot that you want to talk about. Or any slot you think I haven't talked about enough and should talk about. I've got a little bit of free time while I sit with lunch and I'm buzzing around this game thread rn.

sure

I typically don't have a great read on Jan so I'm kind of hoping he gets obvious later/it gets sorted for me, so I haven't super put much effort into solving him D1.

I did lightly scumlean him for a good portion of the day just because he hadn't made many (any?) posts that I've nodded along with, while a lot of other people have in some capacity or another, and I know he has the capability of doing it (whereas folks like you are more of a blank slate, for example)

However, he finally made one such post about 9 hours ago, his most recent post, which contained a good thought on Gemma:

Spice?
Maybe:


As a reaction to you thinking he would not be w/w with arctic based on his quick vote.
At the time I thought it might actually spew arctic if Murska is a wolf and the whole reaction felt like a bit much.

I have overreacted because somebody simply made a bad read before, but this read only implies if you are Murska is a wolf so it should not matter.

But I am fairly aware that I have red tinted glasses when reading Murska posts at the moment.


Most other stuff is not spicey. if your read is correct then ladd and wisdom jump up in my reads.


Gemma is a really weird spot because she clearly joined the thread with a plan but never really did anything with it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

She enters thread by copying the same format someone else used earlier.
This is to some extend a call back to a joke, but also makes it clear she has read some of the thread and that this might not be an rvs vote.


After which there is talk about missing the rvs phase but wanting to shitpost. Which she didn't really do that much outside of 1 prepared post.

She then quotes me while I am talking about not wanting to play ww at this moment and asks this:


GH at this point has no real content and only shitposts. Really odd person to ask to be read. All of it felt like she had an agenda either towards me or gh or both but I was not sure what her alignment is.
She went into her initial posts with a plan and the plan was not shitposting. The shitposting was some dress up on the side.

Dunno just a thought that has been in my head ever since but never felt like there is a reason to push on it.

unfortunately I haven't been able to follow up on this really since neither Jan nor Gemma have posted since then, but it has been in my mind and it's enough for me to not really go for him today while I wait for more #content from them both

As far as Gemma herself, she's in the same zone to me as Jan was, without the benefit of having made that one post really. I don't necessarily want to flip her right away without seeing her post more, but honestly would probably be ok with it being a compromise elimination this EOD or something pending further posts

(#42 for me)

[dyachei]

popped in to say that ladd isn't clear yet and people should be wary of him

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ender, you had roughly a 12 hour posting gap between your most recent posts and your previous stretch in the thread. Aside from the whole Logic stuff, what stuck out most for you during that gap and why? (if it Jan, pick something else)

[Logic]

I'm not sure what your emoji choice means, and therefore I'm choosing to ignore them.

[Totally not Taffy]

Your next vote count will be at the 47hr mark when the postcap lifts. Until then, use math.
You can ask your kids to help, Rask.

lmao it's the one yearly week they are off to greatparents

Unofficial votecount (this doesn't count toward postcount @Totally not Taffy )


Syn (4) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (2) : Gemma, Zack
Ender (2) : Benneh, Syn
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally
Vanta (1) : Visor
Arctic(1): Hally

Abstain (1) : GH

Unofficial votecount

Syn (4) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender (2) :Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Arctic(2): Hally, Dya
Dyachei(1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally

OK OK I YIELD PLEASE STOP HURTING THE MATH!

Current Vote Count

Syn (3) : Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Logic (2) : Raskolnikov, Hally
Ender (2) : Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Arctic (1) : Dyachei

Haven't voted: Vanta, Jan

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

Vote History

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

vote: Arctic

vote: Arctic

vote: nebjiamn

Vote: Logic

Vote: logic

Vote: Logic

vote: logic

vote: Visor

Vote: Jan

Vote: EnderWiggin

vote: Raskolnikov

Vote: GH

Vote: Arctic

vote: Enderwiggin

vote: dyachei

vote: EnderWiggin

Vote: GH

Vote: vanta black

Vote: Jan

Vote: Syn

Vote: Syn

Vote: Syn

Vote: Abstain

vote: syn

vote: Arctic

vote: GH

vote: arctic

unvote: Arctic

vote: arctic

Vote: Ender

vote Vanta

Vote: GH

Vote: Logic

vote: logic

Post Counts

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[EnderWiggin]

Ender, you had roughly a 12 hour posting gap between your most recent posts and your previous stretch in the thread. Aside from the whole Logic stuff, what stuck out most for you during that gap and why? (if it Jan, pick something else)

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

I think Vanta's real entry and feeling very much in their town style of investigation was probably the part that stuck out the most.

But because just posting this feels bad I'm gonna do a reread and make any other notes:

Ladd was pretty lacklustre through the spell. I think I'm okay with them voting Syn and I tend to view their D1 uncharitably unless we sync on viewpoint. And I'm trying to give them some room because of that.

Wisdom feels at odd with thread which is ~usually~ towny of them? I feel bad making that read though because that's not a good read.
(#420 I think was the biggest one that felt like this.)

Arctic metronome. Watch it go.

I don't remember any other thoughts during this time so eh I'll go with this.

[Logic]

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually I wanna make a note here:
I think Dya is town. We traditionally are at loggerheads no matter our alignment but I like to try improving on this. So caveat I have been known to read them badly.

[Logic]

Yeah I kind of had a bad vibe about that whole exchange too. I pretty much consider you town by now.

Some people are pretty close to 50 posts, so be careful yeah?

Now that I see I am 4 posts from the cap (3 after this one) I am now more inclined to hit cap.

I'm going to be passed out at EOD anyway (6 AM my time)

I maintain that I was serious about having an inkling on dya.
I maintain that I think Zack is scummy because he is wrong.
I maintain that Vanta is my current top suspect.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated.

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

[EnderWiggin]

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated.

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

Oh no I feel good about the Vanta read. That was more a "Just saying this and clicking post feels like a waste of my posts when I'm running low on posts."

That being said it's not a super strong read. Specifically the Hally Poke on P19 is something I'd expect out of a Town!Vanta, but it's one of very few bright spots amongst a lot of not much.

(Sorry Vanta now I'm bringing Meta into things =P)

[Gemma]

So you know ..

I am european.
That it was 6 am when you made those posts.
and that I have one of the more annoying cases of covid going on right now (including fever headaches shivers loss of taste etc).

And the one person in this game you felt like you really needed at that moment in time is me?
When according to your own statement you thought me a wolf earlier?!

I have to assume that this is just a serious heat stroke on your part.

Anyway ... mostly back. Read stuff while in bed. Fed cats. Forced myself upright for a moment.
Maybe I even have thoughts in my next post but I would be surprised if they are all that different from Zacks recent word vomit (good vomit like a birb feeding smaller birbs).

hugs that sounds awful

i hope you start to feel better

why would thinking you're a wolf make me want to see you less tho? i don't actually think you're a wolf but even if i did

(the answer is you're always the one person in the game i feel like i really need <3 regardless of your alignment)

and yes heatstroke but no actually i'm just used to your being awake at all hours, also my breain is too small to understand timezones anyway

i mean if you planned to pretend to w read jan and the start of the game and then he actually pinged you, why not push him? seems like the logic(al) conlusion to me

what posts from jan pinged you?

i think it was just the way he read arctic as wolfy for w reading something he also w read then changed his mind about

like if you're a villager clearly its a thought a villager can have and i dont get why the angle there is to do wolfread rather than just talk about why you think the reads are bad, which now that im aritculating it reminds meo f the ready i had on taffy that was very nothing

itrs not logic(al) to push jan because a) its jan and b) i didnt care that much and c) even if it was logical im not lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed

[Zack]

Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.

what are you talking about? I said GH thinks you're lock town

I'm not sure what your emoji choice means, and therefore I'm choosing to ignore them.

at the time you said "seems villa" then later after a few people said it was wolfy you said you agreed and had been thinking that too

seemed odd