17er Saints and Martyrs

[Gemma]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

[Raskolnikov]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

Ok this is new. Let me digest it gemma.

[Visor]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

[Visor]

syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

[Arctic]

visor's iso is pretty horrendous to the point where idk if i'd actually consider his engagement AI because i know he can do a lot better than this as either alignment
just not really anything beyond surface level thoughts, and idrk why i'm saying this because it's not like visor can't post well as mafia, i just dunno what he's doing regardless of alignment

the actual wolfiest thing imo is the way he voted vanta then took a jab at logic voting vanta with the implication that it was a pretty bad pressure vote when it seemed like that was why he voted them too?

he asked ladd/raskol for thoughts on syn and admittedly between that post and when he came back to the thread neither had posted anything about syn, but when he came back to the thread closer to eod while ladd was there he didn't push the matter any further and last thing they said about syn was this:

syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

i dunno i feel like people are kinda overstating how bad it is even tho it's not great

i'm more interested in why he just decided that murska had to die seemingly out of nowhere

it's hard for me to tell what's AI cuz he doesn't explain a lot and was barely playing and that's why stuff seems surface level wolfy even tho that's not necessarily the explanation

[Visor]

@Zack
@GeneralHankerchief

kill murska

[Visor]

i refuse to reread the thread to check

but the fact i can't recall jan making a mildly humourous jab in my direction is wolfy

[Jan]

i refuse to reread the thread to check

but the fact i can't recall jan making a mildly humourous jab in my direction is wolfy

You are not wrong.
No defense.
I have failed humankind.

[EnderWiggin]

I should stop making meta judgement over how people treat other people is what I'm getting from this game. I almost always feel like I irk people with it slash just get it wrong.

So in this dedication I have decided to still somewhat scumread Jan because I dunno what I'd do with this tunnel if I had to deconstruct it. (Though I'll now more focus on how they treated their read on me/etc rather than anything else.)

I hate people saying wallposts are towny tbh. Benneh's was just a readslist with colours.

And yes I do townread Benneh but that wallpost has nothing to do with it. Legitimately wall posts with lists are fakeable by any half decent wolf and this playerlist is full of half decent wolves. At least.

Do I have anything more coherent to add to this? EPIC the Musical is pretty great and I'm spending too much time listening to it tbh.

[GeneralHankerchief]

@Zack
@GeneralHankerchief

kill murska

Vote: Murska

(#46)

[Arctic]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

this does not spark joy

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Syn

[ladd]

I also could have done a better job explaining, with more examples etcc.. but i didnt really wanna lead today so i got lazy

[Raskolnikov]

I also could have done a better job explaining, with more examples etcc.. but i didnt really wanna lead today so i got lazy

hard evidence for l8r

[Hally]

i skimmed gemma’s iso and i still don’t really have strong thoughts on their posts

their stuff mostly just passes through me but

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

the bolded lines of this post in particular seem wolfy

the first one is one of ladd’s classic interaction tell iirc. basically that wolves are more likely to tmi a lack of interaction from their bros and say stuff like “X is ignoring me” when it’s prob not something they would notice as town. not sure this is the best example of the tell but

then the second one just seems like a lazy wolf read? they ended up voting murska but i don’t get why based on what they say here

[Arctic]

i skimmed gemma’s iso and i still don’t really have strong thoughts on their posts

their stuff mostly just passes through me but


the bolded lines of this post in particular seem wolfy

the first one is one of ladd’s classic interaction tell iirc. basically that wolves are more likely to tmi a lack of interaction from their bros and say stuff like “X is ignoring me” when it’s prob not something they would notice as town. not sure this is the best example of the tell but

then the second one just seems like a lazy wolf read? they ended up voting murska but i don’t get why based on what they say here

this is a good point
the part about vanta is pretty bad too, seems like a pretty dismissive way of handling someone they're saying is openwolfing and openwolfing in an absurd description to begin with lol

[Hally]

i skimmed gemma’s iso and i still don’t really have strong thoughts on their posts

their stuff mostly just passes through me but


the bolded lines of this post in particular seem wolfy

the first one is one of ladd’s classic interaction tell iirc. basically that wolves are more likely to tmi a lack of interaction from their bros and say stuff like “X is ignoring me” when it’s prob not something they would notice as town. not sure this is the best example of the tell but

then the second one just seems like a lazy wolf read? they ended up voting murska but i don’t get why based on what they say here

wow this dude is so villagery

[Arctic]

ender im having a problem seeing that it's hally because her day 2 was just shitting on visor and gemma (and logic, but still)

on day 2 i also dartboarded a team of gemma/gh/visor

how likely do you think it is either of us tear into the last 2 wolves after one died on day 1, moreso for me given that i dont tend to bus

admittedly i stopped pushing on gemma because of the claim but hally wanted her dead much more quickly after the claim than anyone else did

i feel like fypov it should be pretty clearly dya because of pretty level zero reasoning

and now that i'm sure the wolf is either you, or small chance of dya, this game is mildly infuriating that we had a correct poe of dya/wisdom/ender/vanta but if we lose it'll be because the poe was 1 too big and we killed all the villagers in it

[EnderWiggin]

ender im having a problem seeing that it's hally because her day 2 was just shitting on visor and gemma (and logic, but still)

on day 2 i also dartboarded a team of gemma/gh/visor

how likely do you think it is either of us tear into the last 2 wolves after one died on day 1, moreso for me given that i dont tend to bus

admittedly i stopped pushing on gemma because of the claim but hally wanted her dead much more quickly after the claim than anyone else did

i feel like fypov it should be pretty clearly dya because of pretty level zero reasoning

and now that i'm sure the wolf is either you, or small chance of dya, this game is mildly infuriating that we had a correct poe of dya/wisdom/ender/vanta but if we lose it'll be because the poe was 1 too big and we killed all the villagers in it

If you clear me you'll be one closer to not being wrong?

But I'll remind you that Visor also said "Fuck the claim kill Gemma".

I don't think ignoring the claim means anything.

[Arctic]

If you clear me you'll be one closer to not being wrong?

But I'll remind you that Visor also said "Fuck the claim kill Gemma".

I don't think ignoring the claim means anything.

Then why is it her and not dya fypov

[Arctic]

my guy you have given me nothing to work with here lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Then why is it her and not dya fypov

Previously stated on Dya. But I'm throwing that away for the re-read so who knows where I get in the next 60m

[Hally]

If you clear me you'll be one closer to not being wrong?

But I'll remind you that Visor also said "Fuck the claim kill Gemma".

I don't think ignoring the claim means anything.

not sure why you’re conflating my treatment of gemma and visor’s? the context and manner in which we pushed them are completely different

visor pushed them after they softed and he was obv dying because he just wanted to eek out some equity and see if he could spew them before he died

i wolf read gemma and called them out as seeming w/w with syn before they softed anything and before most people were on the gemma wolf train then D4 after their soft had two nights to self resolve and they were still doing nothing while avoiding hard claiming i started to think they were a wolf again because i felt like worlds didn’t really make sense otherwise, and i feel like you can clearly see me grow more wary of letting them skate by as i realized that to the point where i even kinda wanted them dead EoD4

[Arctic]

uhm im pretty sure ender has postcapped

lol?

[EnderWiggin]

uhm im pretty sure ender has postcapped

lol?

This is my 26th. I'm finishing my read and waiting for Hally's response to my question atm.

[Hally]

not sure why you’re conflating my treatment of gemma and visor’s? the context and manner in which we pushed them are completely different

visor pushed them after they softed and he was obv dying because he just wanted to eek out some equity and see if he could spew them before he died

i wolf read gemma and called them out as seeming w/w with syn before they softed anything and before most people were on the gemma wolf train then D4 after their soft had two nights to self resolve and they were still doing nothing while avoiding hard claiming i started to think they were a wolf again because i felt like worlds didn’t really make sense otherwise, and i feel like you can clearly see me grow more wary of letting them skate by as i realized that to the point where i even kinda wanted them dead EoD4

also not that it matters but the single most clearing thing i’ve done this game is probably my EoD4 because when i post capped D4 i said i wasn’t going to be on for EoD (which i did think was true at the time) but then logic posted the self vote and stuff that really gave me cold feet about killing him but i was capped so i couldn’t say it so i literally woke up earlier than usual so i could make sure that i could post at EoD and tell people i wasn’t sure we should kill logic anymore but i also didn’t want to kill wisdom and floated a gemma cfd

and if im a wolf i just never make the effort to post at EoD there after saying i wouldn’t be on when the wagons are v/v and then suggest killing my teammate on top of that

[EnderWiggin]

also not that it matters but the single most clearing thing i’ve done this game is probably my EoD4 because when i post capped D4 i said i wasn’t going to be on for EoD (which i did think was true at the time) but then logic posted the self vote and stuff that really gave me cold feet about killing him but i was capped so i couldn’t say it so i literally woke up earlier than usual so i could make sure that i could post at EoD and tell people i wasn’t sure we should kill logic anymore but i also didn’t want to kill wisdom and floated a gemma cfd

and if im a wolf i just never make the effort to post at EoD there after saying i wouldn’t be on when the wagons are v/v and then suggest killing my teammate on top of that

Dw I've caught up to reading you town again.

I had to give it a fair shake tbh. If you were wolf and I just held my townread on you I'd feel shit. This way at least I feel like I've shaken that tree and felt good out of it.

(28 )

[Visor]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

this post (which is kind of a wolfy summary post (esp for someone who should be much more eloquent making essentially a post i would make)) and then the mass of questions they posted d1 which just kinda don't do anything made me feel bad on gemma

thoughts?

[Visor]

theres two worlds of logic today imo, one where he is defending me to look good when i flip (but he still also has to actually solve the game as a wolf in this world and i don't believe logic is someone who would intentionally take on difficult tasks as a wolf (and theres always the fun argument when you get a contentious read right and then people accuse you of tmi lol))

and the one where he genuinely believes my actions are not coming from a wolf mindset and he is willing to put his neck out for it

for what its worth, the strength behind his conviction makes me heavily believe the latter, obviously i am incredibly biased and not able to judge this stuff fairly, but i have a harder time seeing a world where wolf logic doesn't just take the easy kill on me and i think his conviction is villagery (which is kinda funny considering my read on him d1, but i feel like this kind of conviction from him is just not something i associate with how he plays wolf).

[GeneralHankerchief]

this post (which is kind of a wolfy summary post (esp for someone who should be much more eloquent making essentially a post i would make)) and then the mass of questions they posted d1 which just kinda don't do anything made me feel bad on gemma

thoughts?

Hell with it man, you and I are already w/w apparently, let's make this happen.

Just one request, do not ask why I'm awake at 2am.