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[dyachei]

i’m probably going to regret posting this but i spent the entirety of yesterday feeling extremely upset and i really can’t keep it bottled in and continue playing this game so i’m just going to say the feeling is mutual

i have tried so hard to keep things about the game and not let how upset i’ve been at how you’ve been reacting to me make its way into the thread because i don’t want to make a game so heated and personal but you just won’t fucking stop posting things like this. i don’t deserve to be made to feel this way when, if you’re a villager, the worst thing i have done is have a bad read that i’ve probably doubled down on because i hate the idea of rewarding you for making me feel like shit for suspecting you

i don’t even care if you’re a wolf or not anymore, winning this game is not worth the grief of pushing you so if you succeeded in making me feel this shitty for catching you congrats on the win. not my problem anymore

there’s more i want to say but taffy and everyone else don’t deserve having the game be ruined for them too and i’ve already gotten myself upset again so i’m going to try to step away

bye

I'll drop it after this but you have said things like this to me multiple times this game and made me feel like an utter POS human.

I'm sorry i made you feel the same way but you have not kept it to "just mafia" as you're saying. And to be honest, I'm really, really over it. I get it, sometimes I react more emotionally than I should but I shouldnt be made to feel like shit for it every time.

ffs, someone called me happiness kryptonite this game, too

yeah, we're definitely keeping it all mafia here

[Hally]

i really do not understand what i have said to you that has been outside the scope of normal mafia play

from my perspective the worst thing i have done is wolf read you which, regardless of whether it’s correct or not, is part of the game

if i’ve inadvertently done something else to make you feel bad i apologize but it was not my intent

[dyachei]

i really do not understand what i have said to you that has been outside the scope of normal mafia play

from my perspective the worst thing i have done is wolf read you which, regardless of whether it’s correct or not, is part of the game

if i’ve inadvertently done something else to make you feel bad i apologize but it was not my intent

you have called out my reactions and told me that I'm overreacting multiple times. That's beyond the scope of this game. You've then implied if not outright stated how bad I have made the game

I'm probably just overly sensitive but it starts to get to you when multiple people keep talking about how unfun you are

[Arctic]

guys i don’t think continuing this discussion is going to make anyone feel better or help us win so i really don’t see the point :/

anyone wanna talk about the game

[dyachei]

guys i don’t think continuing this discussion is going to make anyone feel better or help us win so i really don’t see the point :/

anyone wanna talk about the game

not really, no, if I'm being honest. I should have voted ender yesterday and I've been beating myself up about it all night

[Hally]

guys i don’t think continuing this discussion is going to make anyone feel better or help us win so i really don’t see the point :/

anyone wanna talk about the game

not really

i’ll do whatever you think is best, just can’t bring myself to care anymore sorry

[Arctic]

not really, no, if I'm being honest. I should have voted ender yesterday and I've been beating myself up about it all night

yeah i was doing the same
if it is him it’s not any more your fault than mine given that i started the vanta wagon

[Arctic]

well then i don’t have much else to say until i reread hally just to make sure it can’t be her (some time later tonight)

and for ender to show up

[dyachei]

well then i don’t have much else to say until i reread hally just to make sure it can’t be her (some time later tonight)

and for ender to show up

aare you gonna post quotes? idk if i have it in me to read her iso

[Arctic]

aare you gonna post quotes? idk if i have it in me to read her iso

i mean yeah, probably some

could we not make comments like this though

[dyachei]

i mean yeah, probably some

could we not make comments like this though

i just meant that it's long and I think she's a villager anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah I should've selfed yesterday. Vanta probably gets ya-yeeted in F3/F4 anyway but there's more chance of town reversing correctly if I have martinis in deadchat.

[EnderWiggin]

I do want to say Hally/Arctic, whichever of you is town, the fact I wasn't spew cleared this game despite a doulbe-whammy of Gemma/Syn both making horrendous early reads on me is kinda sad. I should've been allowed to die at night or have a mishammer in F4/F3 like a true son of town.

But that's not a matter for now.

I don't have much time (Pre-work I shouldn't have done rn lel.) But I'm going to try to find time before EOD to actively put together a case for you all to ignore and yeet me anyway.

[Hally]

ender who do you think it is?

[EnderWiggin]

ender who do you think it is?

Not Dya.

But I'm not going to commit to that 100%.

I know, keeping my options open blah blah.

If the vote from last night wasn't obvious my basic read is "arctic wolf" which is potentially the dumbest read because it's mostly gut and the fact that reread of EOD2 feels very performancy.

[Arctic]

Not Dya.

But I'm not going to commit to that 100%.

I know, keeping my options open blah blah.

If the vote from last night wasn't obvious my basic read is "arctic wolf" which is potentially the dumbest read because it's mostly gut and the fact that reread of EOD2 feels very performancy.

well this kinda seems like a lie given that in the post you voted me you quite literally said you're voting a villager..

if you're v and the best you have to give is thinking it's me because of a gutread based on me being performative then.. uh, idk how i'm supposed to find you as v and i'm not really siw

[Arctic]

i've read like half of hally's posts and i do think she's v but i dont know if i care to post about it if no one thinks it's her anyway

[EnderWiggin]

well this kinda seems like a lie given that in the post you voted me you quite literally said you're voting a villager..

if you're v and the best you have to give is thinking it's me because of a gutread based on me being performative then.. uh, idk how i'm supposed to find you as v and i'm not really siw

If you are V and I'm wrong, I hope I find that tonight. Otherwise idk how I expect you to find me either if I fully tunnel you.

[EnderWiggin]

Also idk if you could tell but 90% of last night was just me fucking around because I didn't know who wolf was and I was expecting to die so other people could put in the hard yards.

I didn't expect the Dya swap tbh. I regret Vanta dying a lot, not least of which is because I now have to actually try because I would hate to shrugdie in F4.

If I end up dying after putting in effort? Eh. I'll hate it but at least I tried. I'll be more okay if I end up voting a wolf as well but we'll take what we get.

[Arctic]

ender im having a problem seeing that it's hally because her day 2 was just shitting on visor and gemma (and logic, but still)

on day 2 i also dartboarded a team of gemma/gh/visor

how likely do you think it is either of us tear into the last 2 wolves after one died on day 1, moreso for me given that i dont tend to bus

admittedly i stopped pushing on gemma because of the claim but hally wanted her dead much more quickly after the claim than anyone else did

i feel like fypov it should be pretty clearly dya because of pretty level zero reasoning

and now that i'm sure the wolf is either you, or small chance of dya, this game is mildly infuriating that we had a correct poe of dya/wisdom/ender/vanta but if we lose it'll be because the poe was 1 too big and we killed all the villagers in it

[Arctic]

i think it’s 2 in logic/dya/gemma/ender

i just don’t think anyone else can be a wolf, sue me

damn she was right

[EnderWiggin]

ender im having a problem seeing that it's hally because her day 2 was just shitting on visor and gemma (and logic, but still)

on day 2 i also dartboarded a team of gemma/gh/visor

how likely do you think it is either of us tear into the last 2 wolves after one died on day 1, moreso for me given that i dont tend to bus

admittedly i stopped pushing on gemma because of the claim but hally wanted her dead much more quickly after the claim than anyone else did

i feel like fypov it should be pretty clearly dya because of pretty level zero reasoning

and now that i'm sure the wolf is either you, or small chance of dya, this game is mildly infuriating that we had a correct poe of dya/wisdom/ender/vanta but if we lose it'll be because the poe was 1 too big and we killed all the villagers in it

If you clear me you'll be one closer to not being wrong?

But I'll remind you that Visor also said "Fuck the claim kill Gemma".

I don't think ignoring the claim means anything.

[Arctic]

If you clear me you'll be one closer to not being wrong?

But I'll remind you that Visor also said "Fuck the claim kill Gemma".

I don't think ignoring the claim means anything.

Then why is it her and not dya fypov

[Arctic]

my guy you have given me nothing to work with here lmao

[EnderWiggin]

my guy you have given me nothing to work with here lmao

I don't have much time (Pre-work I shouldn't have done rn lel.) But I'm going to try to find time before EOD to actively put together a case for you all to ignore and yeet me anyway.

If only I didn't have an issue this entire game with having time.

I am going to be around for the next hour-ish and try to put my thoughts in order (and be less vague on a stance hopefully.)

Feel free to throw questions my way.

[EnderWiggin]

Then why is it her and not dya fypov

Previously stated on Dya. But I'm throwing that away for the re-read so who knows where I get in the next 60m

[EnderWiggin]

Logic is being sussed for being Logic so wouldn't surprise me rn.

i'm sorry sir but this post is terrible, regardless of logic's actual alignment. i actually grimaced irl reading it.

Vote: EnderWiggin

(real)

I was right.

Zack did me dirty tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

It's a thin data point but Hally fits the "comfortable in thread" tell for D1 very much more than anyone else alive today (including myself.)

I'm not going to lock em villa for it but that's definitely the biggest early plus on their front.

[Totally not Taffy]

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[EnderWiggin]

to me syn has blatantly not made any attempt to do things or appear like he’s doing things, feels like he’s just fucking around and daring people to shrug kill him afaict

seems rand unless his meta as wolf is to hard potato

I don't really know what syn is doing and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about half the game saying they sound normal and half the game saying they sound off cuz this means nothing to me

tbh ladd is probably mafia but idk if i care to prove it right now

syn is a fine shrug wagon if they aren't gonna play the game but the wagon comp on them doesn't really inspire confidence

dya's recent posts did nothing for me personally so i'm curious what the people who were insistent on letting them cook have to say about that

Arctic making 2 posts about it feels worse than Hally's one post. That one post is the only one I could squint at as a wolfy post so far from Hally. Inquisitive but that weird half-shade.

Dya has... pretty much ignored the Syn wagon at this point. FMPOV it's 4 villas suddenly wagoning Syn out of no-where, so I'd expect this is the point that catches wolves kinda off guard a little bit given all the wagons at this point (except maybe the early Arctic one) were all on flipped town.