17er Saints and Martyrs

[Jan]

uhm

is this in gh’s wolf range? because it’s kinda winning me over but not sure if i’m just a sucker

I think the core of it is to some extent NAI. (you can question if he would come up with this as a wolf or say it as a wolf. but the content itself is likely just true and matters not for his alignment)
And he would be good enough to frame it as either alignment properly.

The art of wolfing is using emotions invoked by something in the thread and redirecting them to something else that is adjacent to the top and getting villa-read for it.


Unrelated:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I feel like Vanta Black is a villager, but I have ZERO evidence.

More unrelated:

I dipped out earlier because I didn't want to use up too many of my posts before the Australians (mainly gemma and visor) have a chance to actually play the game because that is where people were looking more and it felt like a pointless pile on.
Saying this because GH's thought of giving space or benefit of the doubt is not unique. His reasoning is more personal ofc but I don't think the visor stuff is slam dunk and watching visor do something today is what we need to move forward on that front.

[Logic]

I think the core of it is to some extent NAI. (you can question if he would come up with this as a wolf or say it as a wolf. but the content itself is likely just true and matters not for his alignment)
And he would be good enough to frame it as either alignment properly.

The art of wolfing is using emotions invoked by something in the thread and redirecting them to something else that is adjacent to the top and getting villa-read for it.


Unrelated:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I feel like Vanta Black is a villager, but I have ZERO evidence.

More unrelated:

I dipped out earlier because I didn't want to use up too many of my posts before the Australians (mainly gemma and visor) have a chance to actually play the game because that is where people were looking more and it felt like a pointless pile on.
Saying this because GH's thought of giving space or benefit of the doubt is not unique. His reasoning is more personal ofc but I don't think the visor stuff is slam dunk and watching visor do something today is what we need to move forward on that front.

Jan, RE: your spoiler:

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(I may have picked this gif because I was inspired by one picked by GH. Accuse me of pocketing. I dare you.)

[Jan]

Jan, RE: your spoiler:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

(I may have picked this gif because I was inspired by one picked by GH. Accuse me of pocketing. I dare you.)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Jan]

I think the core of it is to some extent NAI. (you can question if he would come up with this as a wolf or say it as a wolf. but the content itself is likely just true and matters not for his alignment)
And he would be good enough to frame it as either alignment properly.

The art of wolfing is using emotions invoked by something in the thread and redirecting them to something else that is adjacent to the top and getting villa-read for it.


Unrelated:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I feel like Vanta Black is a villager, but I have ZERO evidence.

More unrelated:

I dipped out earlier because I didn't want to use up too many of my posts before the Australians (mainly gemma and visor) have a chance to actually play the game because that is where people were looking more and it felt like a pointless pile on.
Saying this because GH's thought of giving space or benefit of the doubt is not unique. His reasoning is more personal ofc but I don't think the visor stuff is slam dunk and watching visor do something today is what we need to move forward on that front.

To maybe rephrase this less vague:

I think GH as wolf does not mind duping his friends and getting one over on them, but does not enjoy fighting/clashing with them.
That applies to him as villager clashing with his friends as well.

The emotional part of that post is just real and the narrative surrounding it too. I don't think it speaks to his alignment.
Wolves are less likely to use it/come up with it, but a capable wolf will.

I think he gets villagepoints for it because there was no actual agenda to the evoked emotions. (the want to buy visor a little bit of time doesn't achieve anything. it simply explains the difference between the dya/visor read which has little to no impact on the game).

[Gemma]

I dipped out earlier because I didn't want to use up too many of my posts before the Australians (mainly gemma and visor) have a chance to actually play the game because that is where people were looking more and it felt like a pointless pile on.

impossible for me to play mafia today due to things but regardless i doubt i have anything groundbreaking to share

i have no reañ reads tbh and pretty happy to just continue to get carried, also dont think im hugely in danger of being yeeted this game despite current appearances

but fire away!

[Logic]

impossible for me to play mafia today due to things but regardless i doubt i have anything groundbreaking to share

i have no reañ reads tbh and pretty happy to just continue to get carried, also dont think im hugely in danger of being yeeted this game despite current appearances

but fire away!

Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.

Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?

[Jan]

Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.

Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?

You and arctic really love rolling in the mud.

It is a rather impressive feat.

And Gemma, no worries. As long as we know your are busy just means nobody is waiting for you for no reason.

[Hally]

vanta, where’s your head at? who are the wolves? who is town?


also hey gemma

(that entrance gives me kinda wolfy vibes cuz it sounds like gemma knows that they’re at the bottom of the PoE currently but the only way they could know that is if they’ve been reading the thread but just not posting for some reason or their teammates told them in wolfchat)

[Jan]

(that entrance gives me kinda wolfy vibes cuz it sounds like gemma knows that they’re at the bottom of the PoE currently but the only way they could know that is if they’ve been reading the thread but just not posting for some reason or their teammates told them in wolfchat)

why? she is quoting my post and my post mentions that people are looking at visor and gemma?!
Your thought feels like a huge reach.

[Logic]

You and arctic really love rolling in the mud.

It is a rather impressive feat.

And Gemma, no worries. As long as we know your are busy just means nobody is waiting for you for no reason.

why? she is quoting my post and my post mentions that people are looking at visor and gemma?!
Your thought feels like a huge reach.

I don't find it a reach, as it seems to be a very legitimate read on first pass.

Also, what do you mean by rolling in the mud? I have an idea of what it means in this context, but I can't think that I got that quite right.

[Vanta Black]

vanta, where’s your head at? who are the wolves? who is town?

...

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I just moved Arctic up a bit. Thought GH seemed wolfy earlier today, it helped a little that he came in with reads. Of course he came in with reads after being kinda prodded, but then so did I. I would have done it without the prod, mayebe he woudl have too.

Anyway, I appreciate GH's reads, but I have only rarely understood the whole "if XXX flips [town/wolf], YYY is probably [town/wolf]. I mean sometimes I understand it. But when GH says my alignment depends on what Logic flilps, well, it doesn't. I am what I am. It's not gonna magically change no matter how Logic flips.

(Also if I had a nickel for everything I didn't undertand, I would have a whole pile of nickels--still not worth much but I guess I could put 'em in a sock and use 'em as a sap)

Visor--has he even posted today? Did he indicate he was going to disappear?

Logic--I feel he was reading my posts to get rid of me, not to try to solve me. I also don't understand his push on dyachei, who I feel has looked pretty towny all in all, and I'm not just saying that because of the avatar.

Not sure why I put Benneh so high. I have a kind of weird, time-consuming system that usually I only do somewhat later in the game, and that's where he landed but...more research needed. I could say that also about Gemma, Ladd, and Jan.

[Vanta Black]

Argh, there was supposed to be a quote there, that was for Logic. See I don't mind burning a post to correct myself. That's usually about a third of my posts, me correcting myself.

[Jan]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I just moved Arctic up a bit. Thought GH seemed wolfy earlier today, it helped a little that he came in with reads. Of course he came in with reads after being kinda prodded, but then so did I. I would have done it without the prod, mayebe he woudl have too.

Anyway, I appreciate GH's reads, but I have only rarely understood the whole "if XXX flips [town/wolf], YYY is probably [town/wolf]. I mean sometimes I understand it. But when GH says my alignment depends on what Logic flilps, well, it doesn't. I am what I am. It's not gonna magically change no matter how Logic flips.

(Also if I had a nickel for everything I didn't undertand, I would have a whole pile of nickels--still not worth much but I guess I could put 'em in a sock and use 'em as a sap)

Visor--has he even posted today? Did he indicate he was going to disappear?

Logic--I feel he was reading my posts to get rid of me, not to try to solve me. I also don't understand his push on dyachei, who I feel has looked pretty towny all in all, and I'm not just saying that because of the avatar.

Not sure why I put Benneh so high. I have a kind of weird, time-consuming system that usually I only do somewhat later in the game, and that's where he landed but...more research needed. I could say that also about Gemma, Ladd, and Jan.

I broke another list. I hope that you are a wolf with Benneh and it is just a wolfchat tell.

I love that you have me in your last line that has me potentially too high but I am not in your actual list.

[nebjiamn]

Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.

Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?

You and arctic really love rolling in the mud.

It is a rather impressive feat.

lmao

jan WAS funny this game it turns out

[nebjiamn]

Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.

Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?

they're softing PR in case that isn't obvious

[Logic]

they're softing PR in case that isn't obvious

Nope. I'm a numbskull and should have seen that for what it was.

[Vanta Black]

Kinda bummed that I never got to play with Jar-Jar. Missed it by that much.

[Jan]

impossible for me to play mafia today due to things but regardless i doubt i have anything groundbreaking to share

i have no reañ reads tbh and pretty happy to just continue to get carried, also dont think im hugely in danger of being yeeted this game despite current appearances

but fire away!

ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.

[Visor]

ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.

shes just a wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolf man

[ladd]

shes just a wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolf man

did you ever explain why you thought murska was a wolf?

[Visor]

did you ever explain why you thought murska was a wolf?

yes but you won't like the answer lol i just didn't like their posts lol

[ladd]

yes but you won't like the answer lol i just didn't like their posts lol

[ladd]

ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.

meh

i dont care about softs like that tbh

if you soft that blatantly then you should just claim iyam



with that being said i will prob vote visor anyway

[Wisdom]

Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.

Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly

[Hally]

Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.

Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly

why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it

[Wisdom]

why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it

I can probably case it properly if needed but his approach to EoD is pretty much 0 related to Visor, he doesn't really care about Visor, he just pokes Arctic for fun instead. But I found him to play towny early D2 and TWTBAW D1 so I thought he was town already anyway.

He's in my top atm.

[GeneralHankerchief]

why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it

Gemma?

Assume I'm the villager in the scenario where Logic and I don't end it.

I'm aware of your above post but from memory it felt like, in the moment, Visor was going after Gemma because he perceived it to be the easier target and just kinda probed benneh, and then moved full in on benneh when he realized that actually had legs - i.e. it's not necessarily clearing.

[Hally]

Gemma?

Assume I'm the villager in the scenario where Logic and I don't end it.

I'm aware of your above post but from memory it felt like, in the moment, Visor was going after Gemma because he perceived it to be the easier target and just kinda probed benneh, and then moved full in on benneh when he realized that actually had legs - i.e. it's not necessarily clearing.

no if you’re v i don’t think gemma is clear off EoD

i think when visor entered the thread he was expecting to die and just went for a hail mary so i doubt he thought he could actually get gemma killed there over him, which means there’s levels of whether he would still try to do it knowing that people would read it as antispew if it didn’t work and not clear gemma anyway

i would think visor would have more fun seeing if he could take down a villager or force a claim esp knowing that people aren’t gonna give any cred either way to v!gemma when he dies but it’s just wifom

really i don’t see how i would ever take gemma out of my PoE unless either 1) you flip wolf or 2) their claim self resolves

[Arctic]

Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.

Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly

benneh wasn't even around though??

[Arctic]

I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.

why am i matt

What do we lose by doing a mass claim btw?

what do we gain

I don't think Dya have been very towny this game btw, they're definitely in my PoE

Reads atm are something like

Murska
Rask
Ladd
Ender
(Gemma)

Arctic
Benneh

Logic
GH

Hally
Dya

Vanta

this readlist feels wild to me

ngl wisdom's posts today are really sketching me and i think her d1 visor push is the only thing that makes me not want to kill her