17er Saints and Martyrs

[nebjiamn]

i agree that you are very unlikely to be teamed with gh

[nebjiamn]

My one hesitation on a visor/gh world (well actually there’s more than one, but w/e) is that I feel like visor probly doesn’t struggle to re-enter today with gh as a partner?

I mean, visor might just be busy af and tired, which is the silly caveat for this kind of read but I do feel like there’d just be more energy if those 2 randed wolf together and we’d probably have seen some spark of that from visor on d1?

[Arctic]

I said I'm v if gh is w.

Visor can be with anyone because he's done jack shit

Bit I think ghs explanation of why he's choosing to give visor benefit of the doubt and not me plus him inexplicably only pushing me today makes us not w/w.

It also makes gh/visor more likely imo

It doesn't cuz he's not actually pushing you lol he just said you're more likely to be wolf of the two when it's clear visor is dying and he made no attempt to convince people to kill you, so I don't find this convincing at all

[Hally]

My one hesitation on a visor/gh world (well actually there’s more than one, but w/e) is that I feel like visor probly doesn’t struggle to re-enter today with gh as a partner?

I mean, visor might just be busy af and tired, which is the silly caveat for this kind of read but I do feel like there’d just be more energy if those 2 randed wolf together and we’d probably have seen some spark of that from visor on d1?

i actually had a similar thought re: gh earlier itg cuz i remember in the invitational gh/newc/ladd/manti were wolves together (goddamn what a team) visor or lissa or someone made a read that gh probably wasn’t a wolf with his friends because his posts would have more “panache” (i don’t know what that word means but i think from context it means flair or spark or something)

but i didn’t post about it cuz the read ended up being wrong that game

[dyachei]

It doesn't cuz he's not actually pushing you lol he just said you're more likely to be wolf of the two when it's clear visor is dying and he made no attempt to convince people to kill you, so I don't find this convincing at all

it does matter because GH knew how I'd take being told that he wasn't willing to give me the same benefits as visor

but this is my problem with you in a nutshell

you came to the conclusion i was a wolf through other people's posting and you're not willing to re-evaluate when new information comes to light

if you're a villager, I've never seen you tunnel this wrongly before so I don't think you are

[Hally]

it does matter because GH knew how I'd take being told that he wasn't willing to give me the same benefits as visor

but this is my problem with you in a nutshell

you came to the conclusion i was a wolf through other people's posting and you're not willing to re-evaluate when new information comes to light

if you're a villager, I've never seen you tunnel this wrongly before so I don't think you are

uh

how much have you actually played with arctic? cuz afaik he kinda gets memed on a lot for confidently tunneling people incorrectly

poor wittle arcy (he is a really good villager fwiw, no shade)

[dyachei]

uh

how much have you actually played with arctic? cuz afaik he kinda gets memed on a lot for confidently tunneling people incorrectly

poor wittle arcy (he is a really good villager fwiw, no shade)

havent played a ton with him, but he's usually more accurate than this and I've seen him re-evaluate a number of times

[GeneralHankerchief]

Your hedginess on visor is noted

Where I am seeing a wolf-siding villager in visor: for one, he's asking one confirmed town and one I suspect of being (mostly) town to kill murska, a LHF that now we know has claimed Doctor (not to be confused with Dr Horrible). I don't see murska as scummy, but that could be the fact that he has posted somewhere in the range of a dozen times thus far.

Second, visor doesn't seem to have an agenda. He feels too "can't be assed" to GAF, and I don't think that's his scum game.

Regarding GH: this comes down to a self-absorbed meta read, but the fact that he has only stated my alignment correctly as town and always gotten it wrong when scum has me thinking the trend continues. There definitely is the wifom that he's finally doing it differently this time (because he's scum) but I'm calling GH town and I know I won't be alive to have to reassess.

And fair enough on "my read sucks" (there) but do you have anything to say about seemingly backing off on your scumread of me between p#779 and p#807 (both yours, but I think p#802 is the one that really is the shows the "progression" that I think it lacking.

Ok, this post. This is the post where I got fed up enough about Logic to stop caring about staking myself to his alignment in this game.

The "godread", so to speak, came into being at some point around 2018 (2019?) and peaked in 2020 during a team game where my team (feat. Zack and Visor, all of whom have a good amount of experience with Logic and can typically read him well) hardlocked him as a villager pretty early in d1 and fought off a number of pushes on him. We were n1'd in that game after having effectively perfect reads (this part isn't critical to the post but I just wanted to brag about it :laserlissa:) and the strength of our read held until something ridiculously late like D6 when his slot got POE'd and flipped town.

Later in 2020 into 2021, things took a turn for the worse, coinciding with a stretch of wolf rands I had in games with Logic. Sometimes he was my partner. Sometimes he was town. And buddy, let me tell you, those games, with that read being known as it was, was rough to play around lol. If we were w/v, I knew I couldn't push him because it would insta-out me after he flipped (and he would flip early because I'd be the one pushing him lol), and if I cleared him, he would be spewed town. If we were w/w, I couldn't bus him and if I tried to clear him it would instantly look suspicious after either of us flipped. People were immediately looking to me for an insta-read on the slot and it sucked lol. Logic progressively became aware of it and I think even he will freely say that he leaned on its accuracy in order to resolve my slot. I eventually disclaimed the "godread" aspect but that was like a month or two before I quit playing so I don't think it took hold. Notably, I'm not sure *Logic* was ever made aware of said disclaiming it.

---

So I stop playing, come back for this, and Logic's in the game! Cool, Logic is my friend. My first thought is "please don't rand wolf". My second is "please don't rand wolf specifically so I don't have to pick back up the Logic song and dance". Mission accomplished, I randed town (no, really, I did! would I lie? ). I was gonna take it nice and easy, not force any reads, just let the game come to me and hopefully that would be enough to get me villaread (oops).

The way I read Logic is a combination of factors, but it has nothing to do with his actual reads, their consistency (which he's been dinged for this game), or quality. That has never factored in for me. Back in years past, it was primarily based around depth of thought, which I believe Zack alluded to on D1. But there was a gradual shift in his game and mine, and now that's less useful for me. Instead, it's primarily based on "is he classically wolfy?" Was there awkward tiptoeing interactions? Was there a weird case on someone? If the answer was yes, look for the force behind it - if it seemed like he really believed in it, it meant he was probably town, regardless of the actual consistency or quality of the case. If the answer was no, it was a potential bus.

The first half of d1, when I was shitposting, I was monitoring Logic's posts. They didn't look good. I didn't want to say anything because a) I wanted to give him time to turn it around, and b) I was still shitposting lol. But I definitely said that first irl night that if he posted overnight and didn't improve, I was gonna come in and dumpster in.

But that overnight, they did improve. It was enough for me to get my read turned around on him. It seemed like he wasn't just kind of poking people with a limp noodle but actually hitting what he perceived as bad posts with some teeth. So I made my read in the thread, figured that I'd get backup from Zack and Visor (who can also read him well, remember), and that would be a nice jump-off point for me getting into the rest of the game.

lol

It didn't quite happen that way. Zack had the complete opposite POV, we got into an argument about it, Logic became a major topic of discussion, and I felt myself being dragged back into that world where I HAD to get the read right if I was to have any chance in the game. It was a position I was in a lot as villa in my final games in 2021 before I stopped playing, and now, here it was supercharged: the guy I had a reputation for reading well, going up against a) the consensus top town, b) someone else who could also read him well, and c) a good friend. Great. lol

I was tired of it, man. I wanted to play mafia. I didn't want to play around Logic's alignment for the fourteenth consecutive game, on d1, and have that dictate the remainder of my future itg. And yes, behind the scenes, Zack's confidence on Logic (and Visor's too, to a lesser extent) did shake me for a bit and had me reconsidering. Did I express any of this in the thread? of course not lol. I guess I was just hoping that the Logic thing would blow over on its own.

Well, fast forward to d2 and obviously the Logic thing has very much not blown over, as we can see here. Zack died overnight, so he and I couldn't chat about it. Visor's been afk all phase. I was still monitoring Logic's posts but was honestly vacillating as to what I believed in. One stretch looked wolfy and had me question everything. Another stretch made me feel better about him. Back and forth it went.

And then Logic dropped the post I quoted above (remember that post? I'll wait while you scroll back up) and it had all the same stuff in it that frustrated me back in the day: the overly leaning on my read of him to make a read on me. My perception of him coasting depending on my judgement of him. I read it and I got fed up with it. So I made that post faking that I had made some sort of revelation as to his alignment in order to just kill off discussion for an irl day and to get people looking elsewhere because otherwise it was gonna be the second consecutive gameday of The Great Logic Debate which, just, god I was so not in the mood for.

---

I don't know what Logic's alignment is. Gun to head, I still think he's town, but there's doubt. There's doubt because otherwise my POE is, like, exactly [dya/visor]/Gemma/Vanta, which if that's actually the team I'd be shocked, and idk where to go after that. There's doubt because Logic has not been sustainedly villagery like he was in that one team game back in 2020. There's doubt because it's been years since I've actually seen him in a game.

I just want it to be done with. I just want to know what Logic's alignment is so I can determine my footing in the thread for the rest of the game and see exactly how long I need to spend preparing my apology to Zack in postgame, whether it's just a couple minutes, or, like, an hour. It doesn't matter as much because Visor is likely dying today which means the Logic debate will continue, but I'm washing my hands of it. Decide and be done with it. The shield is removed. I'm not saying he's a wolf. I'm saying idk lol. I'm free. The godread is dead. If he's a wolf then I'm dying in short order after and at least I get the satisfaction of knowing that I'll never be lashed to this stupid read again if I ever play again. If he's town then at least I was right.

[GeneralHankerchief]

tired: making reads off, like, posts people made in the game and reasoned analyses of the gamestate

wired: getting vibes off social dynamics both in thread and anticipatory postgame reactions

(in this scenario, the "wired" set of reads get you put in the POE rather quickly. who knew!)

[nebjiamn]

Ok, this post. This is the post where I got fed up enough about Logic to stop caring about staking myself to his alignment in this game.

The "godread", so to speak, came into being at some point around 2018 (2019?) and peaked in 2020 during a team game where my team (feat. Zack and Visor, all of whom have a good amount of experience with Logic and can typically read him well) hardlocked him as a villager pretty early in d1 and fought off a number of pushes on him. We were n1'd in that game after having effectively perfect reads (this part isn't critical to the post but I just wanted to brag about it :laserlissa:) and the strength of our read held until something ridiculously late like D6 when his slot got POE'd and flipped town.

Later in 2020 into 2021, things took a turn for the worse, coinciding with a stretch of wolf rands I had in games with Logic. Sometimes he was my partner. Sometimes he was town. And buddy, let me tell you, those games, with that read being known as it was, was rough to play around lol. If we were w/v, I knew I couldn't push him because it would insta-out me after he flipped (and he would flip early because I'd be the one pushing him lol), and if I cleared him, he would be spewed town. If we were w/w, I couldn't bus him and if I tried to clear him it would instantly look suspicious after either of us flipped. People were immediately looking to me for an insta-read on the slot and it sucked lol. Logic progressively became aware of it and I think even he will freely say that he leaned on its accuracy in order to resolve my slot. I eventually disclaimed the "godread" aspect but that was like a month or two before I quit playing so I don't think it took hold. Notably, I'm not sure *Logic* was ever made aware of said disclaiming it.

---

So I stop playing, come back for this, and Logic's in the game! Cool, Logic is my friend. My first thought is "please don't rand wolf". My second is "please don't rand wolf specifically so I don't have to pick back up the Logic song and dance". Mission accomplished, I randed town (no, really, I did! would I lie? ). I was gonna take it nice and easy, not force any reads, just let the game come to me and hopefully that would be enough to get me villaread (oops).

The way I read Logic is a combination of factors, but it has nothing to do with his actual reads, their consistency (which he's been dinged for this game), or quality. That has never factored in for me. Back in years past, it was primarily based around depth of thought, which I believe Zack alluded to on D1. But there was a gradual shift in his game and mine, and now that's less useful for me. Instead, it's primarily based on "is he classically wolfy?" Was there awkward tiptoeing interactions? Was there a weird case on someone? If the answer was yes, look for the force behind it - if it seemed like he really believed in it, it meant he was probably town, regardless of the actual consistency or quality of the case. If the answer was no, it was a potential bus.

The first half of d1, when I was shitposting, I was monitoring Logic's posts. They didn't look good. I didn't want to say anything because a) I wanted to give him time to turn it around, and b) I was still shitposting lol. But I definitely said that first irl night that if he posted overnight and didn't improve, I was gonna come in and dumpster in.

But that overnight, they did improve. It was enough for me to get my read turned around on him. It seemed like he wasn't just kind of poking people with a limp noodle but actually hitting what he perceived as bad posts with some teeth. So I made my read in the thread, figured that I'd get backup from Zack and Visor (who can also read him well, remember), and that would be a nice jump-off point for me getting into the rest of the game.

lol

It didn't quite happen that way. Zack had the complete opposite POV, we got into an argument about it, Logic became a major topic of discussion, and I felt myself being dragged back into that world where I HAD to get the read right if I was to have any chance in the game. It was a position I was in a lot as villa in my final games in 2021 before I stopped playing, and now, here it was supercharged: the guy I had a reputation for reading well, going up against a) the consensus top town, b) someone else who could also read him well, and c) a good friend. Great. lol

I was tired of it, man. I wanted to play mafia. I didn't want to play around Logic's alignment for the fourteenth consecutive game, on d1, and have that dictate the remainder of my future itg. And yes, behind the scenes, Zack's confidence on Logic (and Visor's too, to a lesser extent) did shake me for a bit and had me reconsidering. Did I express any of this in the thread? of course not lol. I guess I was just hoping that the Logic thing would blow over on its own.

Well, fast forward to d2 and obviously the Logic thing has very much not blown over, as we can see here. Zack died overnight, so he and I couldn't chat about it. Visor's been afk all phase. I was still monitoring Logic's posts but was honestly vacillating as to what I believed in. One stretch looked wolfy and had me question everything. Another stretch made me feel better about him. Back and forth it went.

And then Logic dropped the post I quoted above (remember that post? I'll wait while you scroll back up) and it had all the same stuff in it that frustrated me back in the day: the overly leaning on my read of him to make a read on me. My perception of him coasting depending on my judgement of him. I read it and I got fed up with it. So I made that post faking that I had made some sort of revelation as to his alignment in order to just kill off discussion for an irl day and to get people looking elsewhere because otherwise it was gonna be the second consecutive gameday of The Great Logic Debate which, just, god I was so not in the mood for.

---

I don't know what Logic's alignment is. Gun to head, I still think he's town, but there's doubt. There's doubt because otherwise my POE is, like, exactly [dya/visor]/Gemma/Vanta, which if that's actually the team I'd be shocked, and idk where to go after that. There's doubt because Logic has not been sustainedly villagery like he was in that one team game back in 2020. There's doubt because it's been years since I've actually seen him in a game.

I just want it to be done with. I just want to know what Logic's alignment is so I can determine my footing in the thread for the rest of the game and see exactly how long I need to spend preparing my apology to Zack in postgame, whether it's just a couple minutes, or, like, an hour. It doesn't matter as much because Visor is likely dying today which means the Logic debate will continue, but I'm washing my hands of it. Decide and be done with it. The shield is removed. I'm not saying he's a wolf. I'm saying idk lol. I'm free. The godread is dead. If he's a wolf then I'm dying in short order after and at least I get the satisfaction of knowing that I'll never be lashed to this stupid read again if I ever play again. If he's town then at least I was right.

thanks. give me a minute to digest this and i'll respond to you shortly with my thoughts

[GeneralHankerchief]

zack, in dvc reading the above: "idk why you just talked this through in the thread man, we could have avoided all this"

me, with a cutting response: "s-shut up ok"

[dyachei]

My pov on that is it was a lot of words to say you don't know logics alignment and you still suss the same people.

I get why you don't want to play around it but like. You could have just said that

[GeneralHankerchief]

I get why you don't want to play around it but like. You could have just said that

s-shut up ok

[Hally]

tl;dr - we got pranked

[Vanta Black]

thanks for the reads

i’m curious why i’m so high? i remember you saying last day you had no read on me despite me posting a lot, curious what changed

It might be frequency bias from when I ISO'd you. Do you want to be lower? I can move you!

[Vanta Black]

Ok, this post. This is the post where I got fed up enough about Logic to stop caring about staking myself to his alignment in this game.

The "godread", so to speak, came into being at some point around 2018 (2019?) and peaked in 2020 during a team game where my team (feat. Zack and Visor, all of whom have a good amount of experience with Logic and can typically read him well) hardlocked him as a villager pretty early in d1 and fought off a number of pushes on him. We were n1'd in that game after having effectively perfect reads (this part isn't critical to the post but I just wanted to brag about it :laserlissa:) and the strength of our read held until something ridiculously late like D6 when his slot got POE'd and flipped town.

Later in 2020 into 2021, things took a turn for the worse, coinciding with a stretch of wolf rands I had in games with Logic. Sometimes he was my partner. Sometimes he was town. And buddy, let me tell you, those games, with that read being known as it was, was rough to play around lol. If we were w/v, I knew I couldn't push him because it would insta-out me after he flipped (and he would flip early because I'd be the one pushing him lol), and if I cleared him, he would be spewed town. If we were w/w, I couldn't bus him and if I tried to clear him it would instantly look suspicious after either of us flipped. People were immediately looking to me for an insta-read on the slot and it sucked lol. Logic progressively became aware of it and I think even he will freely say that he leaned on its accuracy in order to resolve my slot. I eventually disclaimed the "godread" aspect but that was like a month or two before I quit playing so I don't think it took hold. Notably, I'm not sure *Logic* was ever made aware of said disclaiming it.

---

So I stop playing, come back for this, and Logic's in the game! Cool, Logic is my friend. My first thought is "please don't rand wolf". My second is "please don't rand wolf specifically so I don't have to pick back up the Logic song and dance". Mission accomplished, I randed town (no, really, I did! would I lie? ). I was gonna take it nice and easy, not force any reads, just let the game come to me and hopefully that would be enough to get me villaread (oops).

The way I read Logic is a combination of factors, but it has nothing to do with his actual reads, their consistency (which he's been dinged for this game), or quality. That has never factored in for me. Back in years past, it was primarily based around depth of thought, which I believe Zack alluded to on D1. But there was a gradual shift in his game and mine, and now that's less useful for me. Instead, it's primarily based on "is he classically wolfy?" Was there awkward tiptoeing interactions? Was there a weird case on someone? If the answer was yes, look for the force behind it - if it seemed like he really believed in it, it meant he was probably town, regardless of the actual consistency or quality of the case. If the answer was no, it was a potential bus.

The first half of d1, when I was shitposting, I was monitoring Logic's posts. They didn't look good. I didn't want to say anything because a) I wanted to give him time to turn it around, and b) I was still shitposting lol. But I definitely said that first irl night that if he posted overnight and didn't improve, I was gonna come in and dumpster in.

But that overnight, they did improve. It was enough for me to get my read turned around on him. It seemed like he wasn't just kind of poking people with a limp noodle but actually hitting what he perceived as bad posts with some teeth. So I made my read in the thread, figured that I'd get backup from Zack and Visor (who can also read him well, remember), and that would be a nice jump-off point for me getting into the rest of the game.

lol

It didn't quite happen that way. Zack had the complete opposite POV, we got into an argument about it, Logic became a major topic of discussion, and I felt myself being dragged back into that world where I HAD to get the read right if I was to have any chance in the game. It was a position I was in a lot as villa in my final games in 2021 before I stopped playing, and now, here it was supercharged: the guy I had a reputation for reading well, going up against a) the consensus top town, b) someone else who could also read him well, and c) a good friend. Great. lol

I was tired of it, man. I wanted to play mafia. I didn't want to play around Logic's alignment for the fourteenth consecutive game, on d1, and have that dictate the remainder of my future itg. And yes, behind the scenes, Zack's confidence on Logic (and Visor's too, to a lesser extent) did shake me for a bit and had me reconsidering. Did I express any of this in the thread? of course not lol. I guess I was just hoping that the Logic thing would blow over on its own.

Well, fast forward to d2 and obviously the Logic thing has very much not blown over, as we can see here. Zack died overnight, so he and I couldn't chat about it. Visor's been afk all phase. I was still monitoring Logic's posts but was honestly vacillating as to what I believed in. One stretch looked wolfy and had me question everything. Another stretch made me feel better about him. Back and forth it went.

And then Logic dropped the post I quoted above (remember that post? I'll wait while you scroll back up) and it had all the same stuff in it that frustrated me back in the day: the overly leaning on my read of him to make a read on me. My perception of him coasting depending on my judgement of him. I read it and I got fed up with it. So I made that post faking that I had made some sort of revelation as to his alignment in order to just kill off discussion for an irl day and to get people looking elsewhere because otherwise it was gonna be the second consecutive gameday of The Great Logic Debate which, just, god I was so not in the mood for.

---

I don't know what Logic's alignment is. Gun to head, I still think he's town, but there's doubt. There's doubt because otherwise my POE is, like, exactly [dya/visor]/Gemma/Vanta, which if that's actually the team I'd be shocked, and idk where to go after that. There's doubt because Logic has not been sustainedly villagery like he was in that one team game back in 2020. There's doubt because it's been years since I've actually seen him in a game.

I just want it to be done with. I just want to know what Logic's alignment is so I can determine my footing in the thread for the rest of the game and see exactly how long I need to spend preparing my apology to Zack in postgame, whether it's just a couple minutes, or, like, an hour. It doesn't matter as much because Visor is likely dying today which means the Logic debate will continue, but I'm washing my hands of it. Decide and be done with it. The shield is removed. I'm not saying he's a wolf. I'm saying idk lol. I'm free. The godread is dead. If he's a wolf then I'm dying in short order after and at least I get the satisfaction of knowing that I'll never be lashed to this stupid read again if I ever play again. If he's town then at least I was right.

good grief

[Vanta Black]

I just want to say that I spent like two days reading "drop the shield" as meaning "remove the shield" so I was very confused.

[GeneralHankerchief]

free read: somebody who pushes the "GH has to die because he had the AUDACITY to mislead us about Logic on d2!" angle is a wolf

if you're a wolf looking to seal the mislim, it will be much more under the radar if you instead push me for my shallow overall gamestate thoughts and poor interactions with/about the first two flipped wolves

remember this for d5

[Hally]

hey guys i think we should lunch gh for his shallow overall gamestate thoughts and poor interactions with/about the first two flipped wolves

[EnderWiggin]

Guys I think we should lunch GH for misleading us horribly about his Logic read.

[Vanta Black]

hey guys i think we should lunch gh for his shallow overall gamestate thoughts and poor interactions with/about the first two flipped wolves

No I think we should lunch him because he misled us about Logic on D2.

[Vanta Black]

Curse you, Bl...uh, Ender!

[Murska]

hey guys how about we lunch gh just for fun, for no particular reason

[dyachei]

hey guys how about we lunch gh just for fun, for no particular reason

i'm game

[Logic]

ender putting vanta above me in his reads list has caused me immense psychic damage


(tbh i do agree vanta sounds kinda pure tonally even though content wise i’m not sure they’ve actually made an AI post this game)

This post will be mostly out of order

Quote 1 you weren't even voting there but it was after a wave of anti-Syn sentiment. I wouldn't ever call that town lmao.

Sure on the Full Readslist, I think I exist about:

Claimed Blessed of the Deities:
Murska
Gemma

Holy Saints of Purity:
Raskolnikov
Wisdom

Saints of more dubious Purity:
Dyachei
Ladd
Benneh
Vanta Black (This one is very much a vibe read and I'll admit it's weak but it feels good.)

Saints of true Neutrality:
Hally (Had them as slightly higher than "idk" but see previous post.)

Saints with mild Scandals:
Logic
Jan

Saints with Dirty Closets:
Arctic
GH
Visor

Most vile Saints of Depravity:
Ender

Ender, you are slightly going against the grain with me, so why are you putting yourself, GH, Arctic below me, and Jan on the same tier? What the hell is with that Vanta read that high? Are you high?

I have to be up early tomorrow because I'm getting my car serviced

if maj is gonna happen let me know and I'll drop my thoughts on Logic (gonna have to do it this evening anyway because I'm not doing that @#$%^ on mobile lol)

I now have even more reason to Max out my posts for the day.

Overall, I think the way GH has approached my slot is towny. "I'll drop a case later" gives the thread room to breathe around my slot without "going against the godread.
47/50

[Logic]

I should have refreshed before posting, but I see GH dropped a wall regarding reading me and I saw "GTH town" and didn't read the rest.

I am officially at GH/Visor town.

Dya looks less scum than before, and I'm inclined to vote one of Ender/arctic.

Talk to me and convince me where you want my vote because I am not going to go looking for the vote count.
Unvote: Dya
48/50

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, you are slightly going against the grain with me, so why are you putting yourself, GH, Arctic below me, and Jan on the same tier? What the hell is with that Vanta read that high? Are you high?

Arctic? You haven't read my other posts have you.
GH? I just don't like the current posts. Most of this day has felt like rolling around and I feel like there's a self-created trap around you he's made.
Jan? Again not reading my posts I see.
Vanta? My god you're not even reading the post you're quoting
Me? I'm obviously the sussiest boi around.

Am I high? *Insert Bruce Banner Avengers meme.*

[Hally]

before we maj visor and/or i accidentally postcap myself shitposting, idt i actually gave a read on benneh this game

first of all, he stinks

second, i’m fairly sure he’s a villager for boring self centered reasons that boil down to his pov has resonated with me a lot and if he was a wolf i would expect him to be making moves to advance his wincon but i’m not really seeing where he is doing that so far this game unless i completely suck and have been wolf siding a lot (which is definitely possible! in which case the team is like benneh/arctic/jan or something hehe)

he is also just making good posts independent of that (yes i am aware his wolf range is ginormous)

i’m really just making this post so i can say i read him correctly (or he can pin it in wolfchat and laugh at me) cuz i think wolves will kill him before his alignment becomes relevant assuming we don’t sweep

am i learning benneh? pleadingface

[Hally]

I should have refreshed before posting, but I see GH dropped a wall regarding reading me and I saw "GTH town" and didn't read the rest.

I am officially at GH/Visor town.

Dya looks less scum than before, and I'm inclined to vote one of Ender/arctic.

Talk to me and convince me where you want my vote because I am not going to go looking for the vote count.
Unvote: Dya
48/50

how do you still think visor is town lmao

i almost feel like you’re trolling

[Arctic]

it does matter because GH knew how I'd take being told that he wasn't willing to give me the same benefits as visor

but this is my problem with you in a nutshell

you came to the conclusion i was a wolf through other people's posting and you're not willing to re-evaluate when new information comes to light

if you're a villager, I've never seen you tunnel this wrongly before so I don't think you are

we don't have any more information yet it's day 2

and i dunno what you're on about wrt other people's posting, i'm just saying you aren't clear from certain people flipping wolf, not that it makes you more likely to be a wolf

this is hardly even a tunnel, at least not by my standards, you should have seen me 3 years ago. i'm just not townreading you and i don't think there are any convincing reasons to do so and nobody disagrees with this assessment as far as i'm aware so i have no obligation to re-evaluate