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[nebjiamn]

Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos

take me with you please

[Vanta Black]

can u towncase rask in some capacity

im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1

do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?

For me atp nobody is clear, not even Rask. Meta, spoilered.

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In one of the only two games I played with him, Rask and I were Unfriendlies in a very long game. I subbed into it, and because the mod was distracted there were a few hours when I only knew who I replaced, not my alignment or role. During that time I read over the game, which (untypically for Giraffeboards) had like 1000 posts, and with that read I put Rask as wolfy, and when I finally got into scumchat I said so. I wasn't the only one thinking that. And then he completely turned it around, and we won without losing a single team member. So respect for Rasks's ability to lead town in the wrong direction. IIRC he did not bus until later days and never at a time when a vote or shady read was a threat to a team member.

[Hally]

Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos

but i don’t wanna

[Vanta Black]

Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos

Yeah getting the idea that it's not gonna be as easy as it looked.

[Arctic]

@Wisdom remind me why you have ender in your townreads

[Arctic]

can someone tell me what they thinik about ender's eod2 because it's so wtf i'm confused if it's twtbaw

[Arctic]

My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.

One big wall that actually felt alright and then the only stuff in his favour is emotive play that I tend to relegate to "Absolutely could be leveraged as wolf so I'm gonna agree it's probably real emotion no matter alignment and move on with my life."

Also his interactions Zack on D1 made me sus him with the death of Zack. (I know weak.)

I just feel it fits in fine with what I am seeing.

Also there was one post where it was like "Do I get a reprieve if Visor flips green?" which felt weird with my growing suspicion you're town.

Guys I want you to know Arctic is going crazy in wolfchat right now. He thinks I'm actually doing a crazy off the wall bus on Benneh here. He doesn't realise I'll switch off just before EOD.

I definitely pile on with my buddies in a juicy quadrangle of furred goodness to save my other buddy right after I bussed my first buddy.

This is an impeccable game plan and I take no criticism.

The secret is both Visor and Benneh are town and I'm just having fun because town is killing itself.

Visor has completely won me over to him being town tbh.

I didn't actually want Benneh dead but:
1. I wanted another competing wagon to see what would happen
2. Arctic freaking out was funny.

On that note, maybe I'm stupid but Arctic's freak out seems way overblown. Not that Benneh is wolf with Arctic but just feels like such a big reaction for an experienced player to actually believe wolves were banding together for a last stand on D2 like that.

then he said visor flips green and voted GH

i feel like he's simply lacking TMI in most of these posts unless he's really good at faking that sort of thing

[dyachei]

Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.

Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.

Vote: Syn

I have no thoughts of my own.

This is.

Synful.

Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.

Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.

Vote: Gemma

I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.

My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.

Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?

So it's more like:

Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH

And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.

Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.

Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly

[Hally]

i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?

doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there

[Hally]

i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?

doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there

as you can see, it doesn’t really make sense

[Hally]

also how would gh/gemma ever both be wolves?

i don’t understand that worldview at all

[Hally]

Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.

Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly

wdym, where is he defending syn? he voted syn

[dyachei]

Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.

Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.

Vote: Syn

I have no thoughts of my own.

This is.

Synful.

Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.

Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.

Vote: Gemma

I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.

My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.

Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?

So it's more like:

Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH

And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.

He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either

[Hally]

He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either

it seems like clearly a joke lol

you think he was pushing back against the wagon while voting there? wat

[dyachei]

it seems like clearly a joke lol

you think he was pushing back against the wagon while voting there? wat

Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right

[dyachei]

Clear jokes can have nuggets of truth in them

[Hally]

Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right

no he did

[EnderWiggin]

Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.

Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly

He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either

Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right

I kindly ask you to come back sober.

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska

I voted for Syn for the longest out of anyone.

Sure you can call it TMI but I never defended Syn. I was the second after Rask to call him wolfy. The second vote on the wagon after Rask. Ladd had a stronger statement but both times came after me.

Synful was a joke because we just had 3 or 4 people vote Syn in a short period of time.

It was also posted with 2 minutes left before EOD. When the wagon was 3 votes clear of any other wagon. If you think that's pushing back on the wagon then idfk what you use to read the game.

I did defend Visor in the end. (I had him at the bottom of my list until the last 12 hours and then he posted his way into my heart. I absolutely agree it doesn't look great for me.)

[EnderWiggin]

also how would gh/gemma ever both be wolves?

i don’t understand that worldview at all

How would they not?

I don't understand why that is so impossible.

Obviously I'm very very wrong in this case so idc if you mock it but "How is x and y ever wolves together" is a kinda annoying statement.

[EnderWiggin]

i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?

doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there

I thought w!GH was selling out to keep the focus off Gemma. If he can break the POE, mislunch a villager (benneh), and have Visor take the fall for it then it's just w's all the way to the bank.

[EnderWiggin]

can someone tell me what they thinik about ender's eod2 because it's so wtf i'm confused if it's twtbaw

Easy way to read me:
If stupidity levels over threshhold then likelihood to be town rises.

I look cooler as a wolf, it's a fact of life.

(This post is a joke)

[EnderWiggin]

For me atp nobody is clear, not even Rask. Meta, spoilered.

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In one of the only two games I played with him, Rask and I were Unfriendlies in a very long game. I subbed into it, and because the mod was distracted there were a few hours when I only knew who I replaced, not my alignment or role. During that time I read over the game, which (untypically for Giraffeboards) had like 1000 posts, and with that read I put Rask as wolfy, and when I finally got into scumchat I said so. I wasn't the only one thinking that. And then he completely turned it around, and we won without losing a single team member. So respect for Rasks's ability to lead town in the wrong direction. IIRC he did not bus until later days and never at a time when a vote or shady read was a threat to a team member.

Rask rarely hardbusses out of the gate unless a partner has teed themselves up for it.

It's not impossible but usually his busses come in later.

[EnderWiggin]

That being said.

I would like to see more from him because he's kinda faded into obscurity.

[EnderWiggin]

now that GH flipped v i am confbiasing this to be true. e.g. visor wouldn't have struggled to re-enter the thread til the last 6 hours of the day on day 2 if he was teamed with GH. instead, the more likely thing is visor is teamed with some lower posting/LHF type wolves and couldn't get into the groove until he made a late push

i think logic fits with that

i don't think dya fits with that really. don't think hally does either.

i think everyone else could kinda fit that

I don't think Visor has ever struggled to re-enter thread in games we've been w/w. You could argue different circumstances, but even the game we were wolf together where we both got Covid Jab during D1 and kinda got fucked up a lil bit, we still had not much issue entering/syncing in thread.

Yes this is self meta and I fully don't mind if you ignore it. I'm just posting it because #ego

[EnderWiggin]

i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh

i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying

...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl

this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh



this post aged well

anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)

Same about Hammer. Came back from work expecting a chance to dig into things and found a flip instead. Can't say I would've stopped a GH wagon but I dislike losing time lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

If there were wolves bussing Syn, it wasn't many - probably Ender is the only possibility. I'd go back through D2 to see who the people were who were most adamant that there was bussing going on.

One of them was me lmao.

[Totally not Taffy]

Is this punishment for me not being up when you hammered?

Vote Count

Haven't voted: Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Logic, Benneh, Dyachei, Murska, Hally

Hasn't posted today: Gemma, Raskolnikov

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[Vanta Black]

That being said.

I would like to see more from him because he's kinda faded into obscurity.

I would like to see more from him also.

[Gemma]

i had a dream that everyone subbed out except me and taffy modkilled them all and suddenly it was f3 and i knew in my heart that i was going to vote wrong

[Gemma]

gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results


adieu

i have kp and i shouldnt hardclaim for reasons

not gonna say any more than that