17er Saints and Martyrs

[Vanta Black]

What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.

Raskol specifically told me when he invited me to sign up for this that I would not be judged for being a bad player!

[Hally]

@EnderWiggin can you lay out where your head’s at now?

[Hally]

curious what people think of dya today

their posts re: ender kinda pinged me

[nebjiamn]

What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.

everything?

anti-spew connotes some level of being 'outed' or preventing anything from being read into from pressure. how is that post, even if its 'saying nothing' anti spew when its something that vanta could have just ignored? there's nothing to ... anti-spew in it?? there's no meat on this bone

you calling it nonsense is hyperbole and you don't really seem like the hyperbolic type and i repeat, seemingly very disingenuous. what else do you have besides vanta's thoughts about the likelihood of them being nk'd and this nothingburger of a post to justify a wolf read there?

[nebjiamn]

benneh, what do you think of her visor stuff D1 though? it doesn’t really seem w/w to me from both sides

i was asked this yesterday i think and i went back and did not see anything super clearing

i just looked again and still don't

she puts visor in a list and narrows down her poe a few times, so its a decent look but i don't see anything convincing me i shouldn't re-eval on her atp? maybe i am missing something but i don't see any interactions day 1 worthy of calling it non w/w?

[nebjiamn]

curious what people think of dya today

their posts re: ender kinda pinged me

the 'synful' stuff seemed like a stretch

i'm hoping i can clear them off logic's flip but if he flips v they are back in the poe i think? idrk

[Logic]

curious what people think of dya today

their posts re: ender kinda pinged me

I very specifically think that Dya being dogged on me is the only good look for them.

But the "I guess I can see ender, let's get logic first" doesn't read true, to me.

[Vanta Black]

curious what people think of dya today

their posts re: ender kinda pinged me

Which ones?

I thought they looked okay. GH flipping town altered my worldview, looks like maybe same for them. Even if they had Ender lock town before, and I don't think they did.

[nebjiamn]

?vote: logic

[Vanta Black]

Should I post my paranoid wild-ass theory? Y/N

[nebjiamn]

Should I post my paranoid wild-ass theory? Y/N

yes but only if i can call it anti-spew later

[Logic]

everything?

anti-spew connotes some level of being 'outed' or preventing anything from being read into from pressure. how is that post, even if its 'saying nothing' anti spew when its something that vanta could have just ignored? there's nothing to ... anti-spew in it?? there's no meat on this bone

you calling it nonsense is hyperbole and you don't really seem like the hyperbolic type and i repeat, seemingly very disingenuous. what else do you have besides vanta's thoughts about the likelihood of them being nk'd and this nothingburger of a post to justify a wolf read there?

I think that while my wolf game has gotten better, I have but one skill I can practice as a wolf. It's that my entire ISO is effectively useless nonsense in finding of my teammates.

Anti-spew, to me, is not just "I'm a wolf and gotta shut up," it's "I'm saying nothing that can identify anyone one way or a other." Your version of anti-spew is not my version of anti-spew, so I think we are just quibbling over our mismatched ideas on what the term means.

And I don't know what to make of "not the hyperbolic type."

So, to answer your Vanta question:
I don't like their posts. I don't see a through-line that reads like a villager's thought process.
I don't like their tone. It all seems to be saying what people want to hear.

For me, that's enough.

[Logic]

?vote: logic

You led the GH vote with a question mark as well. Is there some kind of significance I should read into that?

[nebjiamn]

You led the GH vote with a question mark as well. Is there some kind of significance I should read into that?

no, its just a format error when i bold on this website for some reason

[Vanta Black]

Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.

Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.

They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.

The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.

There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.

[Logic]

It's now 10:30 local. I'm heading to bed very shortly, so you have a few minutes if real timing with me. Tomorrow, assuming you don't hammer me, I plan to exhaust my posts showing my frame of mind.
I do not expect to survive the day, but I ask for the same engagement that GH asked for.

[Logic]

Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.

Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.

They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.

The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.

There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.

We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.

[Vanta Black]

We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.

Tell me how that clears them. We have an RB claim.

[Vanta Black]

I mean, I said it was a wild-ass theory, and I WANT someone to refute it, but that didn't do it for me.

[nebjiamn]

Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.

Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.

They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.

The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.

There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.

my critique would be that visor's role likely confirms we have a town protective and if we have a protective that hasn't counter-claimed, lets say, by end of mid day today, then they might be soft-throwing here

i don't think its likely visor's role only exists to interact with the way ladd's role is written so we kinda have to have some form of protection/redirection otherwise visor's role is just nonexistant

[ladd]

We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.

I died?

[nebjiamn]

We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.

ladd was targeted last night and is dying today

[Logic]

ladd was targeted last night and is dying today

I only read the first part of the ability, and assumed he just VTed himself.

Well, that now means that every single person that I've had a scumread on (or tinfoil pocket) has been targeted by the scum for death.

F. my life, I'm garbage this game.

[ladd]

Maybe i am a dummie but i kinda think logic is v? But then idk why zack died

Pure toan rea tho

Dya push on ender seemed questionable...hally posting also kinda pinged me uh oh

[Logic]

I only read the first part of the ability, and assumed he just ICed himself.

Well, that now means that every single person that I've had a scumread on (or tinfoil pocket) has been targeted by the scum for death.

F. my life, I'm garbage this game.

CORRECTION:

Anyway, vanta's theory holds some water. I'd argue in favor of Murska as scum before Rask.

[Logic]

Tell me how that clears them. We have an RB claim.

So I guess I missed a roleblocker claim, too. Who?

[ladd]

Do people really have no doubts on logic?

Gonna conserve the other posts for a re read, may try to re read from the start everything since game is not that long/dense

-13

[Vanta Black]

You seem to have had a scumread on ME, and I have not been targeted for death. If that makes you feel any better. Or was it a real scumread?

[nebjiamn]

Do people really have no doubts on logic?

Gonna conserve the other posts for a re read, may try to re read from the start everything since game is not that long/dense

-13

I have doubts for sure

but I also don’t see how I can solve the game with him alive tbh with how things have gone

[ladd]

I have doubts for sure

but I also don’t see how I can solve the game with him alive tbh with how things have gone

I guess so but ill still see what he posts and maybe gonna pivot to someone else