17er Saints and Martyrs

[Arctic]

I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.

Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it

this post sparks joy

[Arctic]

i think i might be able to solve the game when the third wolf flips but i'm kinda at an impasse rn cuz there are semi-convincing reasons to townread everyone even though some are weaker than others such as the names i just pointed out

but also this means the third wolf might have useful spew cuz they prob are playing to endgame, and i didn't really get much from visor or syn posts

unrelatedly @EnderWiggin remind me why u are townreading wisdom

(what i meant by ender posts today being bad was 1773 and 1774 - mostly 1774)

[Arctic]

I feel like ender's whole thing with logic on day 1 is probably not w/w so keep this in mind if logic flips wolf. like the stuff about "it's boring to kill logic every game" - most wolves don't have the balls to talk about each other this way, seems more like pointless whiteknighting if ender is a wolf

and the more i think about it a bunch of people in my poe aren't actually with logic, other than maybe wisdom? so i dunno how likely it is they are flipping wolf here

[dyachei]

It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds

[Logic]

I feel like ender's whole thing with logic on day 1 is probably not w/w so keep this in mind if logic flips wolf. like the stuff about "it's boring to kill logic every game" - most wolves don't have the balls to talk about each other this way, seems more like pointless whiteknighting if ender is a wolf

and the more i think about it a bunch of people in my poe aren't actually with logic, other than maybe wisdom? so i dunno how likely it is they are flipping wolf here

If ender flips town after I do, absolutely investigate Arctic some more.

[Arctic]

I think it's about time to stop purely protecting Rask since the wolves are avoiding them, and start picking my target out of the shortlist [Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Arctic].

there's literally no way i am ever targeted for a nightkill before we flip the third wolf lmao

i actually don't really know who u should target tho

i guess benneh is fine

[Logic]

It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds

Should j say the same about you? (FTR, I'm town-reading you)

[Arctic]

It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds

If ender flips town after I do, absolutely investigate Arctic some more.

this shits kinda towny

[dyachei]

this shits kinda towny

I'm starting to get cold feet tbh

[Arctic]

vote: Wisdom

i agree with hally, ladd you should towncase her so i don't tunnel her cuz this is kidna where i'm at rn

i'll do backreading in the morning before deadline but too tired rn

i'm also just not considering gemma cuz of the claim since kp seems self-resolving? like if they don't use it tonight or explain it tomorrow we can just kill them i guess

[Hally]

It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds

lol

[nebjiamn]

I can't really point to any dya post and say "wow this exudes massive town energy" even though I've felt like their direction has been mostly fine this game

They tried to kill Logic over GH yesterday so this is worth keeping in mind if Logic flips wolf

I kind of laid off on them on D1 cuz when the AtE stuff was going on and I said to Hally they do this as mafia, they said "nah i don't" which I kinda interpreted as them just telling the truth about what they do as town/mafia otherwise they wouldn't be cleared for this sort of thing in future, even tho this sounds dumb i'll admit

when somebody reads my posts eventually they'll see i've said like nothing about hally this entire game and it's true that based on interactions or anything i don't really have a reason to call them town so i'll make this a priority reread but from memory her posts and level of depth (limestone wall etc) are good and nothing has actually pinged me from her. like i feel like she would probably be casable as a wolf here but there's not actually any reason for me to think it's her, pending reread

if i did a trust fall exercise i suspect i would probably have the weakest reasons to townread wisdom, dya, hally, vanta and logic. strangely not even ender because he has the syn push going for him as well as his eod2 posts

but even so i still think rask could be mafia lol

did you mean ender

[Hally]

god i hate that passive aggressive shit

[nebjiamn]

vote: Wisdom

i agree with hally, ladd you should towncase her so i don't tunnel her cuz this is kidna where i'm at rn

i'll do backreading in the morning before deadline but too tired rn

i'm also just not considering gemma cuz of the claim since kp seems self-resolving? like if they don't use it tonight or explain it tomorrow we can just kill them i guess

even tho i agree with this idt its the best course of action today

im unswayed by logics posts and i dont wana solve beyond him til he's dead

not certain he's a wolf by any means but thread health will just be so much better with him dead even if he flips v

[dyachei]

god i hate that passive aggressive shit

I've already told you,I hate when you respond to me with lol and you did it again

Passive aggressive on your part no?

[nebjiamn]

on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons

1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional

but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed

now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days

but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right

[dyachei]

Hally I have never said I don't ate as wolf I said I don't ate in that way as a wolf but you keep popping in to remind people you think I'm a wolf. Nothing passive aggressive about what I stated. It's just the truth

I happen to know I'm a miselim and probably one that the wolves need so I want people to keep an eye on you if I do die to the Elim because of how you're treating me

I got called happiness kryptonite but that's better than whatever this shit is

[nebjiamn]

dya/hally

don't let this game day / GH's flip get to you. you're both very likely v i think and just probably stressing because the game got hard(er) but both of you are fine fmpov

which is not to dismiss concerns you have on eachother or stifle your process but im just hopeful we can keep the thread positive when you two are likely just v

[nebjiamn]

dya/hally

don't let this game day / GH's flip get to you. you're both very likely v i think and just probably stressing because the game got hard(er) but both of you are fine fmpov

which is not to dismiss concerns you have on eachother or stifle your process but im just hopeful we can keep the thread positive when you two are likely just v

and even if one of you's a wolf ofc

dont forget we got to dumpster visor on day 2, its been a great game :)

[Hally]

I've already told you,I hate when you respond to me with lol and you did it again

Passive aggressive on your part no?

when did you say that?????

[dyachei]

when did you say that?????

When I mentioned it earlier tonight that you keep responding lol to my thoughts

[Hally]

on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons

1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional

but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed

now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days

but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right

tbh i’ve been thinking they are prob a wolf and that’s why teams don’t seem to fit

not because i don’t think there could be town kp, i was thinking we would have some actually because 17ers usually do

but like, they haven’t really done anything since they softed and i thought they were wolfy before that

and idk what kind of kp they couldn’t have used already? it would have to be a pretty weird condition

[Hally]

Hally I have never said I don't ate as wolf I said I don't ate in that way as a wolf but you keep popping in to remind people you think I'm a wolf. Nothing passive aggressive about what I stated. It's just the truth

I happen to know I'm a miselim and probably one that the wolves need so I want people to keep an eye on you if I do die to the Elim because of how you're treating me

I got called happiness kryptonite but that's better than whatever this shit is

ok well then work with me and help me find who the wolves are

i have a PoE of logic/ender/gemma/you

let’s forget about you, do you disagree with anyone else in my PoE? who not in my PoE do you think should be?

[nebjiamn]

tbh i’ve been thinking they are prob a wolf and that’s why teams don’t seem to fit

not because i don’t think there could be town kp, i was thinking we would have some actually because 17ers usually do

but like, they haven’t really done anything since they softed and i thought they were wolfy before that

and idk what kind of kp they couldn’t have used already? it would have to be a pretty weird condition

its also very weird if there's 4 power roles and one is KP and wolves have some basic ass shit

4 PRs is kind of insane to deal with if you're a wolf in a 17er with no KP (that we've seen so far)

even more so if you give town KP with it... even if you're only expecting gemma's role to be able to average .25 kills a game.just seems way too rough.

[nebjiamn]

ladd made the good point about the backup implying wolves probly do have somethin decent

maybe a rolecop which we've speculated jan could have been copped for

but like

wth

i forgot where i was going with this lol

[dyachei]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

[Murska]

If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?

[nebjiamn]

If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?

possibly

i think if there is wolf kp that shot you may have saved rask n1 (though it probly doesn't make sense he wasn't then killed n2 over jan)

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm sure this is how Rask pictures himself rn.

Vote Count

Logic (1) : Benneh
Vanta (1) : Wisdom
Wisdom (1) : Arctic

Haven't voted: Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Raskolnikov, Logic, Dyachei, Murska, Hally

Hasn't posted today: Raskolnikov

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[Arctic]

did you mean ender

no but it also applies to him too

on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons

1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional

but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed

now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days

but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right

i don't think the thing about visor's role necessarily means much because i think the idea could be it's some kind of jester-adjacent role which focuses on getting voted rather than like, dying at night

tbh the reason i kind of believe them is because if they're lying about having kp they just cannot endgame which means they must really trust their partner to win and only want to buy some time. but then again i dunno what else they could fake claim if they were just trying to buy some time, since there's already an investigation and a protective role claimed. i guess i could see it being believable from town if they have some specific conditions, but i cannot think of what those might be so i'd need her to actually claim
@Gemma how about
you hard claim your role or use it tonight or we kill you