17er Saints and Martyrs

[dyachei]

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Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I just moved Arctic up a bit. Thought GH seemed wolfy earlier today, it helped a little that he came in with reads. Of course he came in with reads after being kinda prodded, but then so did I. I would have done it without the prod, mayebe he woudl have too.

Anyway, I appreciate GH's reads, but I have only rarely understood the whole "if XXX flips [town/wolf], YYY is probably [town/wolf]. I mean sometimes I understand it. But when GH says my alignment depends on what Logic flilps, well, it doesn't. I am what I am. It's not gonna magically change no matter how Logic flips.

(Also if I had a nickel for everything I didn't undertand, I would have a whole pile of nickels--still not worth much but I guess I could put 'em in a sock and use 'em as a sap)

Visor--has he even posted today? Did he indicate he was going to disappear?

Logic--I feel he was reading my posts to get rid of me, not to try to solve me. I also don't understand his push on dyachei, who I feel has looked pretty towny all in all, and I'm not just saying that because of the avatar.

Not sure why I put Benneh so high. I have a kind of weird, time-consuming system that usually I only do somewhat later in the game, and that's where he landed but...more research needed. I could say that also about Gemma, Ladd, and Jan.

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Jan
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I'm just throwing this out here because it's proably good to get your thoughts in thread even if said thoughts are silly.

Bottom line, I did some back-reading and murska has dropped way down on my list. Not a lot of posts (even fewer than mine!), but I'm kinda confused about the PR claim. Maybe I'm just stupid but on the board where I usually play if someone claims protective PR and is not counterclaimed, that person usually eats the NK right away. Now maybe the wolves were more concerned about Zack. That is a possibility.

Not cc'd and I think he had 4 votes on him at the time so a legit time to claim. I kinda don't like to suss people for still being alive, but sometimes I just do.

But I was also pinged by murska's coming into the thread with "I considered zack but stayed on Rask" bit. Okay, on D1 he townread Zack and Rask pretty consistently, as did most of the thread. But then he mentions a couple more times that he's staying on Rask until he's dead, barring [something, I forget]. Hitting it really hard.

D1 he wanted to push a counterwagon to Syn for some reason.

His points on discussion about Ender today also kinda pinged me, I'm not sure why. I think because really not a lot of people were talking about Ender today.

Apparently my alignment depends on Logic's alignment so I would still kinda like to see his flip. But i see no traction there right now.

Not really sold on Gemma. Aside from Logic, I would really, truly like to vote GH, but that's not gonna go either.

Have town leans on everybody on Visor except Wisdom. Absolutely cannot say the same for voters on Gemma.

I had the briefest moment of thinking maybe I would get up at 6 am for EoD but, uh, get real, it's Saturday. Also I need to save my strength for shoveling snow off my driveway.

vote: Visor

vote: Logic

Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.

I dont think vanta is ever with logic - didn't include the post but think that him listing arctic twice would be weird if partners. Think if vanta is a wolf, it's with gemma (see last post) not wisdom.

the visor push feels really like...lackluster. Idk

[dyachei]

ok so this is gonna be a weird post but I think the thing I'm most concerned about with vanta is how high they had me on their list. Like they don't know me, a lot of people that do have me fairly low. But I haven't been that villagery with the exception of EOD2 and he doesn't mention that at all, some of the reads come before that.

I do think my EOD2 was villagery, but like...I'm not sure someone who doesn't know me should be reading me this high so it kind of feels like TMI

[dyachei]

gonna burn a post to say that I typically like post limits but 50 is starting to feel too small. I like being able to bounce ideas off people and it's really aggravating that I can't really do that well here

[Vanta Black]

Well I have questions. Maybe bad questions.

Is the factional NK mandatory on this board? (This is the maybe-bad question)

Other question: not that I think I'm in any danger of hitting it, but do we count our own posts?

[dyachei]

Well I have questions. Maybe bad questions.

Is the factional NK mandatory on this board? (This is the maybe-bad question)

Other question: not that I think I'm in any danger of hitting it, but do we count our own posts?

when i hit the limit taffy let me know the other day.

But yes, you should have a general idea of where you are in case Taffy is unavailable

factionals are usually mandatory on MU, and so I would assume so here. Even if they aren't the meta for most players here is to use the NK every night

[Hally]

I dont think vanta is ever with logic

huge if true


skimmed gemma’s D1 super quick and yeah idk they just seem like a wolf. there’s no real substance to any of their solving

they v read ender fairly strongly for what seems like a super thin reason. doesn’t feel w/w, which might become important

not really getting anything else out of it

[dyachei]

huge if true


skimmed gemma’s D1 super quick and yeah idk they just seem like a wolf. there’s no real substance to any of their solving

they v read ender fairly strongly for what seems like a super thin reason. doesn’t feel w/w, which might become important

not really getting anything else out of it

I meant arctic lol

[dyachei]

gotta go in a minute but im kind of at

2 in vanta/gemma/wisdom with a possible wolf in ender if that doesn't end the game

I think vanta/gemma is more plausible than vanta/wisdom though

[Arctic]

I also think wisdom should have something to say about the fact I was trying to kill them at EoD - because I won't lie, if I was mafia I would absolutely try to get a more valuable mislunch at EoD than Logic to keep him around since he'd be stuck in the poe the entire game and guaranteed to always die, and I feel like Wisdom should be aware of this but they have pretty much nothing to say about the fact they were getting some serious pressure lol, and mostly by me who she doesn't even townread

And also me/gemma doesn't really work cuz I was trying to murk them on day 1 and you'd be a fool to think I'd be throwing any more of my partners in the shitter when one is already getting dumpstered. this kinda reminds me i don't actually think i can be a wolf with anyone for pretty good reasons except for benneh and vanta

[Hally]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

[Wisdom]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

I mean we both called Logic town yet here we are
I suppose it would have been me otherwise though

I don't think Ladd had any proper wolf reads before dying, right?

[nebjiamn]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

ive literally posted that i give a shit about ladd's read on wisdom and its one of the main reasons i haven't gone all in on her?

[Raskolnikov]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

lol he is a potatoe :p

I don't think his read was as strong as you make it to be honnestly. (and to be fair I am including it in my thinking, like I am way more soft toward Wisdom toDay than I was yesterday, and I am mostly waiting for both them and Gemma to produce AI stuff)