17er Saints and Martyrs

[Raskolnikov]

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?

i don’t really think a wolf posts this lol

Did you change any of these reads @Hally? (if yes why, if nope current poe etc etc)

[nebjiamn]

Benneh why are you insisting on having Ender in your PoE, stop that >:

hopefully that doesn't matter!

but to answer, i just feel better about others in the poe rn. still early and doing rereads though so things will probably change

[nebjiamn]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

this feels a lot similar to a game dya/nutella had some v/v back and forths here on the org (although it never escalated to that level w/ hally here)

hard for me to see dya!w the mroe i think about that (i probly shouldn't factor this in but /shrug)

[Raskolnikov]

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?

this feels a lot similar to a game dya/nutella had some v/v back and forths here on the org (although it never escalated to that level w/ hally here)

hard for me to see dya!w the mroe i think about that (i probly shouldn't factor this in but /shrug)

100%. I honnestly doubt Dya's capability to imitate that level of frustration.

lol Wisdom, mellanmjölking. Prolly my next alt

[Arctic]

I've just missed it, sorry.

I though Rask going aggro was towny for him, I don't know how to translate mellanmjölk but Rask's been quite mellanmjölk the two latest times I've seen him wolf.

Reason I started tinfoiling him was because I remember him saying that he was mellanmjölking because he didn't have enough time on his hands in those specific games, and that I thought he would be able to go aggro on Syn with Syn's permission.

On another note, I had erased the game you mentioned from my mind, I won two fantastic wolf games right after it. I can't really recall why I bussed Swowl though, there had to be a reason? Hm. Doesn't really matter. Swowl is not Visor though.

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

[nebjiamn]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

1. (figuratively, colloquial) something ordinary, unexciting, bland

[Raskolnikov]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

nah I think they are saying I was more appeasing in these games. But I'd rather have them posting tbh (I'd say "mielleux" in French - literrally "like honey", "sugary")

[dyachei]

Is it bad I forgot I had voted Gemma d1?

But after repeatedly being reminded how much I suck this game I'm really glad I ended on a wolf there

I think I need to reread hally but I really think they've been uncharitable with me this whole game and I'm worried it's just gonna be biased

[Wisdom]

1. (figuratively, colloquial) something ordinary, unexciting, bland

My work here is done

[Hally]

lmao taffy that role is crazy

[nebjiamn]

lmao taffy that role is crazy

i would be so mad if i was a wolf, which is why i'm posting like i'm mad so i can balance my range

that's how i do it right?

[Hally]

ender def seems spewed by gemma fwiw

generally reading gemma’s iso i get the sense they were hard struggling with TMI? all the people they hard town read are villas and they seem unable to fake a convincing wolf read on a villager, it’s all just gobblygook

[nebjiamn]

ender def seems spewed by gemma fwiw

generally reading gemma’s iso i get the sense they were hard struggling with TMI? all the people they hard town read are villas and they seem unable to fake a convincing wolf read on a villager, it’s all just gobblygook

wdyt about my post about ro3ing the syn/vanta/X (i forget who x was rn) from that gemma reads list

(idk that i particularly believe it the more i read but wondering)

[Hally]

im not gonna read anymore

im convinced from just the first page of ISo that wisdom is a villager
@Hally

thanks, i dunno if all those posts are actually good looks (i think you might be misreading the one about wolves being off wagon?) but i agree with the conclusion

if she’s a wolf she’s been struggling with TMI a ton all game but think it’s likelier she’s just v

[nebjiamn]

vote: vanta black

[Hally]

i kind of agree that vanta just doesn't feel like a wolf

maybe they are but their posts feel OK. the biggest thing i have against them is they aren't as villagery as others but i would not call them wolfy either

yeah i’ve felt this way about vanta for a while

haven’t backread yet but off the dome if he’s a wolf the reason why is his treatment of logic imo (i.e. OMGUSing logic D1 and then never really developing the read beyond that or seeming to look for wolves elsewhere). i think gh might have realized that and that’s why he had logic/vanta as a dichotomy? but have to go look

[Wisdom]

thanks, i dunno if all those posts are actually good looks (i think you might be misreading the one about wolves being off wagon?) but i agree with the conclusion

if she’s a wolf she’s been struggling with TMI a ton all game but think it’s likelier she’s just v

I'll take this as a compliment :3

[nebjiamn]

yeah i’ve felt this way about vanta for a while

haven’t backread yet but off the dome if he’s a wolf the reason why is his treatment of logic imo (i.e. OMGUSing logic D1 and then never really developing the read beyond that or seeming to look for wolves elsewhere). i think gh might have realized that and that’s why he had logic/vanta as a dichotomy? but have to go look

ya lmk what you think. i think i've talked mytself into it because i think dya/wisdom are becoming more clear villagers atp and they are vouching for ender and i'm starting to think reading vanta for 'not being wolfy' or 'feeling like a wolf' is an incorrect approach, especially with gh/logic/ladd all kinda moving that way

[Hally]

i'm ro3ing the latter half of this post where gemma talks about people they hve 'nfc' on

also the read on vanta doesn't seem like a w/w one. that feels like sincere shade

hrm, i had the opposite reaction to the vanta one when i iso’d gemma

it feels kind of TMIish and pointed in contrast to the murska read which is a complete non read

i’m not sure why a wolf would look at villager talking about dog names and think to call that open wolfing when it’s clearly not but i could see a wolf thinking that their teammate is a lot of wolfier than they actually are (goes back to my point that overall gemma’s iso reads very TMIy to me)

but tbh i don’t really care about spew (outside of the ender thing which feels pretty clear)

[Hally]

Yeah Arctic's likely towning here.
Ender lock v.
Rask and dya and Benneh are probably also v.
I still don't have anything conclusive on Hally, if she wanna town case them that'd be great!

wisdom you’ve been saying “idk about hally” for days lol

it really should not be hard to find me as a villager if you put in a bit of effort to read my posts

[Wisdom]

wisdom you’ve been saying “idk about hally” for days lol

it really should not be hard to find me as a villager if you put in a bit of effort to read my posts

I wish I could tell my brain what to focus on!

[Hally]

@Arctic can you bullet point the reasons you have for wisdom being a wolf?

i see your point about wisdom saying rask looked good for pushing syn but why can’t that just be wisdom thinking rask’s push was villagery independent of syn’s alignment? iirc i thought the same thing

are there other reasons?

[Hally]

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf

syn was a backup not goon so i don’t think it matters from a role standpoint which of syn/gemma dies first

but yeah just from how syn/gemma were posting i think wolves would prefer syn dying over gemma, it just doesn’t feel like gemma was ever really in consideration though? backreading EoD it felt like it was always gonna be syn or logic imo (maybe it felt different in real time though) and dya couldn’t have voted logic given their reads

unironically though dya not pushing syn/visor harder/earlier is one of the things holding me back from thinking it’s dya because i remember them being inclined to bus as a wolf and i’m not sure they would actually let syn/visor die without getting some cred there

[Hally]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

i really really do not want to talk about this more but i don’t think their frustration is out of their wolf range at all

i believe dya was genuinely mad at me regardless of alignment for lol’ing at them

and i have seen them lash out at others in a personal way as wolf (i distinctly remember them doing that to disq/smartbomb in one of their champs games and i town read them from spec chat because i thought they wouldn’t go there as a wolf and it was wrong)

i’ve also seen them hard AtE and self vote and ask to get lunched as wolf because they were so frustrated with the suspicion on them

i will never town read them for posting stuff like that

not talking about this again because i feel bad i upset them regardless so dont ask me about it

[Hally]

Did you change any of these reads @Hally? (if yes why, if nope current poe etc etc)

i’m still town reading wisdom

vanta idk because of logic flipping v but still not sure i find them wolfy? the rask/murska thing i was replying to is the villageriest thing he posted all game but it doesn’t really feel like enough when i have better reasons to town read so many other people. just not enough there but i need to reread his logic stuff cuz thats been his main focus this game so looking at that is how we figure out his alignment imo

[Vanta Black]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

"Lukewarm milktoast"
Alternatively "milquetoast"

[Vanta Black]

I cannot believe that I've got all this suks on me and that's the first post I responded to today

[Hally]

is the search function messed up for anyone else? it’s showing me posts in a completely random order

[Vanta Black]

is the search function messed up for anyone else? it’s showing me posts in a completely random order

I couldn't use it yesterday but that's now hot it failed for me.

[Vanta Black]

I couldn't use it yesterday but that's not how it failed for me.

Fixed