17er Saints and Martyrs

[nebjiamn]

dya fypov does hally need you out of the game to win?

i don't really know if she bothers to write that huge post about you as a wolf today ?

but maybe theres something to it fypov

[nebjiamn]

like arctic is pushing hard on wisdom and there are probably enough votes to shrugyeet vanta and hally is already deep enough in the towncore but not deep enough that itll be weird if she's alive in f3

it just feels like she really believes you are a wolf here and wants you out now because they're a villager with a read rather than a wolf who either needs you dead today or is setting you up ?for f3/5

[nebjiamn]

i realize its prob frustrating to be asked "why aren't you clearing the person tunneling you?" but i'd appreciate if you could flesh out your read on her

(also inb4 hally complains i called it a tunnel but ykwim)

[nebjiamn]

oh also ill just say that sleep may not actually be the right move at f4 if it gets there in case wolves were holstering some KP or have some late game conditional like the last 10er where cuth was holstering (like .0001% chance at this point but i still feel like pointing it out for discussion rather than us potentially sleepwalking into a loss)

i have to think we'd have seen it by now since this was a much larger game that has gone on much longer already but just in case.

[dyachei]

i realize its prob frustrating to be asked "why aren't you clearing the person tunneling you?" but i'd appreciate if you could flesh out your read on her

(also inb4 hally complains i called it a tunnel but ykwim)

She's been gunning for me all game and I'm a need miselim. Just read her iso yourself. I can't clear her because she's been posting about her reads and then casually mentions me as a wolf like...all game. Idk that I have time to get the receipts for you though. I think there are enough people v reading me that she's worried she can't do it closer to end game especially if she kills people like rask who are willing to vote for me.

That's why I can't clear her. I think it's most likely vanta or wisdom though

[Arctic]

dya fypov does hally need you out of the game to win?

i don't really know if she bothers to write that huge post about you as a wolf today ?

but maybe theres something to it fypov

I think it makes sense for hally to want to get dya out here first if she's mafia because dya is the most openly critical person of hally, vanta is the consensus yeet slot, and i'm kinda tunneled on wisdom

they might not go that hard but it's definitely the preferable elim for w!hally

[Vanta Black]

I think it makes sense for hally to want to get dya out here first if she's mafia because dya is the most openly critical person of hally, vanta is the consensus yeet slot, and i'm kinda tunneled on wisdom

they might not go that hard but it's definitely the preferable elim for w!hally

I think if Hally is wolfing she'd go for the one who already had 3 votes. Which I think I had at the time. I dunno, she said it took her five hours so maybe I didn't have 3 votes but I believe her conviction.

[Hally]

I think it makes sense for hally to want to get dya out here first if she's mafia because dya is the most openly critical person of hally, vanta is the consensus yeet slot, and i'm kinda tunneled on wisdom

they might not go that hard but it's definitely the preferable elim for w!hally

the only reason dya has been critical of me is because i stopped town reading them lol

also you can believe this or not idc but there’s literally nobody i would rather push less if i was a wolf than dya. i would rather try my luck pushing ender or really like anything besides dya for what i hope are obvious reasons


still digesting it but good wall tbh

[Hally]

i’m just going to point out that when dya iso’d wisdom earlier today they said they were convinced wisdom was a villager and now they’re voting wisdom lol

though tbh, i think from v!dya’s pov, they probably should think it’s wisdom from how fast wisdom was to drop dya so idk

[Wisdom]

I always find it weird that players tend to get suspected for listening to/sheeping others. It's a team game y'all!

With that I bid you a good night <3

[Raskolnikov]

gn Wis. gl us

[Hally]

idk what to do

i really want to know if i’m right on dya but ig it’s not happening and i’m not sure how i can make it clearer for people? like, their explanations for the stuff i raised just… don’t make any sense or fit with the actual sequence of events itt. i also feel like they’re treating my suspicion on them super disingenuously? the way they are interacting with it makes it sound like i’ve been blindly tunneling them the whole game when that’s not true at all. also i feel like they should know i wouldn’t push them like this as a wolf? iirc when i wolfed against them in the past i would try to pocket them/avoid pushing them because i was scared to draw their attention. and i feel like it should be obvious i clearly believe my read and that it’s coming from a place of genuine investigation but maybe it’s asking too much of them to view it that way

but my main reason for not wanting wisdom was that it didn’t feel like she was leaving options open enough to have a path to win as wolf and that’s kind of negated by her immediately going for dya today as soon as i cased them. also arctic’s point that her wolf meta is to be TMIy definitely fits with how she’s played this game and i think that the overall point of her having good reads but not seeming to act on them in a way that actually moved the game in a pro-town direction is def valid

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