Tarot Mafia

[Wisdom]

didnt you villa read vanta yesterday?

you are allowed to change your mind obviously, but i feel they have done something villagery for you



thoughts on eod if u read it? general poe still the same or?

They had some towny vibe in their opening posts but it was mostly a gut reaction from my part, not based on any reasoning. I think they're quite a bit of macro town vibes but I can't see anything towny when I squint.

It's a bit of a coward vote, because obviously I'm missing a few wolves, but it's the safest vote. My read of both Vanta and Gemma reminds me of how I felt about Neowise in my recent Champs game (wolf), and also like Vanta/Gemma did in our last game. In that game Vanta was town though (Gemma was still a w) but I think it's a good idea to give them some pressure.

[Raskolnikov]

WRT Gemma; I don’t think her voting Syn really means much in terms of alignment and outside of enjoying her presence(her eod post about posts unlocked when they weren’t made me Laff and almost go over cap) I don’t think she’s done anything villagy

Why do you think that way? Because it definatly made an impact on which flip was happenning (like priot to that knights or me was v likely)?

I mean OUTSIDE of that Id agree, but she at least did that so I am not sure why u feel that way. (Unless ur solve is syn/gemma/me lolol)

[Raskolnikov]

Tbp rn I feel ur putting a narrative itt with this pal

[Wisdom]

My main read change overnight is that I'm more comfortable saying Bop is town.

Bop's tunnel on me in hinsight wasn't too far away from the standard v!tunnels I get, I just OMGUS'd because the things he pushed was obviously NAI for me (which he probably wouldn't know since we've only played mashes together) and doubling down despite others correcting him (and not even acknowledging that) is town indicative for most. Tunnels are towny, wrong =/= wolf.

[Wisdom]

Rask, do we agree on anything this game? >:

[Raskolnikov]

Rask, do we agree on anything this game? >:

Dunno. I havent had time to put a lot of thought to ur stuff since I was limited on time. Anything u wanna bring up?

[Raskolnikov]

If u want I will try to do a recap of where I stand after lunch. Will prolly help me and others since there are slot I havent posted about but have thoughts on. (Like sometimes I just nod and dont post)

[Wisdom]

Dunno. I havent had time to put a lot of thought to ur stuff since I was limited on time. Anything u wanna bring up?

Na I haven't really gotten invested enough to have many hard stances yet, but everytime I see you post a read I disagree with it (maybe not true, but at least with Syn/Bop).

What do you feel about a Vanta wagon today?

And what's your thoughts on Ladd/Ender?

[Raskolnikov]

Na I haven't really gotten invested enough to have many hard stances yet, but everytime I see you post a read I disagree with it (maybe not true, but at least with Syn/Bop).

What do you feel about a Vanta wagon today?

And what's your thoughts on Ladd/Ender?

Vanta is rand aorn. I do think they will produce reads if given time and like I thunk there are more productive things to do tbh.

Ladd v, ender null (i have posted a bit about Ladd if u wanna dig, Ender is a slot I will ISO today or try to interact if given the chance)

[Raskolnikov]

Talk to me about Bop

[Wisdom]

Vanta is rand aorn. I do think they will produce reads if given time and like I thunk there are more productive things to do tbh.

Ladd v, ender null (i have posted a bit about Ladd if u wanna dig, Ender is a slot I will ISO today or try to interact if given the chance)

Is there a way to see full posts when ISOing people? Because Ctrl+F Ladd on your ISO gave me nothing except "Sucks to be Ladd" ^^'

[Wisdom]

Talk to me about Bop

I don't have much to say except my earlier post on this page. His tunnel on me was likely coming from a town!PoV. I don't think he's w/w with Maple. That's pretty much all I got on him.

[Raskolnikov]

Is there a way to see full posts when ISOing people? Because Ctrl+F Ladd on your ISO gave me nothing except "Sucks to be Ladd" ^^'

Lmao no.

U will have to manually click and check every post. Read the last one from D2 though

* for context that was a joke because Grr was rambling being a tier3 villager prone to end game in Jans list. And he was sitting next to Ladd which I found hilarious

[Raskolnikov]

I don't have much to say except my earlier post on this page. His tunnel on me was likely coming from a town!PoV. I don't think he's w/w with Maple. That's pretty much all I got on him.

So why did u post u disagree with me? Outside what I said about his opening post I havent locked him anywhere. I need to check his progression because yes, I feel some opportunism in his stance on my slot but its not what I call a sr yet

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry for typos btw. I am on phone and have big fingers

[Gemma]

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

so whats your worldview now that im v

[ladd]

so whats your worldview now that im v

honestly? i have no idea

i have a bunch of people i am hyper confident are villagers that i already posted but for the rest it's still just a bunch of people where none sticks to me as an homerun wolf read atm



i plan to spend most of my available time reading today and then spend most of my posting tomorrow, if i can help my self from posting that is.

[Wisdom]

So why did u post u disagree with me? Outside what I said about his opening post I havent locked him anywhere. I need to check his progression because yes, I feel some opportunism in his stance on my slot but its not what I call a sr yet

Because the same minute I'm saying I'm thinking Bop could be town, you're saying Bop's making a narrative (which I interpreted as you finding him wolfy). :P

[ladd]

syn flip didnt help me much, newcomb was already flipped in my mind (ggs btw @Newcomb), sheep...should make me think knights is a wolf but eh. I do think i wanna re read sod cause i feel like a LOT of people gave opinion on sheep alignment, maybe there is something there. I remember newcomb saying sheep flip would break the game open for them

[ladd]

SoD of d1 to be clear


and to not waste a post - rask still seems villagery to me (tho i disagree with wisdom that rask/syn stuff is strictly v/w)

[Wisdom]

Tbh Jan, I think Ladd is a villager here for this. Id be dead I guess otherwise.

To be complete too about Syn, me quoting his "sleep, not sheep" post is me expressing a little ping. Though y, I was still expecting a green flip. Hope it helps solving our slots

If this is what you mean I don't really get it.

[Gemma]

Well I am going to bed now, I had a meeting earlier tonight and it used up most of my brain. But I'm saying this for tomorrow, I thought Gemma's vote on syn was a little skeevy. I have got a note that says she had a town lean on him earlier, if I can read my writing. I want to iso her and see how this happened because I also think she had early townlean on TKON and also put a vote on him. You all can read this as light suss on Gemma. I can't prove nothin' though.

[Gemma]

Tbp rn I feel ur putting a narrative itt with this pal

is this @ bop?

[Wisdom]

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

[Wisdom]

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

No Arctic/Maple voted Syn last minute Visor just missed them.
Monte voted Rask at some point
Cobalt, Sunbae didn't vote, according to Grr's vote history.

[Wisdom]

I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!

Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.

Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!

Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".

@Sunbae can you walk me through why you didn't vote here or during the following 75 minutes you were in thread? You had been active, you had a wolf read.

[Jan]

some slight mech based ramblings with limit facts to back it up:

1. Maple is full of shit.
Okay this one is not surprising or a big twist. Here we go.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maple coming up with "inverted" after we talked about it d1 (I called maple inverted moon in a conversation) is a very easy spin on things.
Nothing fancy about it. You hear a bit of "lore" and apply it to your situation to sell a wonky narrative.

But why would maple do it? Because maple loves fps more than brits love tea-time.

>rand village action targeting my slot, depending what this means.

Gonna laugh if this ends up being a loud douse.

I will go one further. Maple is more likely a villager (this thought has even more wifom. drink with caution) doing this based on this post.
The first part makes it more believable for wolves that something happened because if it is fps they clearly did not do it.
But it also implies that it is not fully negative.

The only world I will accept where the inverse story is real is exactly a 3p aronist/marker that wins when 50% of the alive players are marked.
Because maple is likely to live for a while and most people would brush a maple claim off (for good reasons).

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

2. Syn was actually an important role.

and this one might be a bad look for me as well but who cares about reputation in a game of werewolf:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Syn changed up his play. enough to "fool" rask early on.

The one big world where my assumption of rask would not v-read syn as w/w is if syn is an important wolf and was somewhat trying to overcome the meta.
Why would you think that?

Part 1:
The flip.
Judgement.
If you don't go into the interpretation of tarot cards which is the most likely one to associate with kp?
Exactly. Nothing screams vigilante more than Judgement.

Part 2:
Syn actually tried to overcome the meta.
I do not think Syn likes being a wolf all that much. Doing the work to overcome the meta needs a wolfchat pushing him and telling him which buttons to push.
That is a lot of work for a snarky one-line poster.

I think the people who are more likely to try and push syn to overcome said meta are ladd, rask and myself.
Not sure if anybody else would know or care enough.

Outside of the flip and syns behavior there is no real proof for this theory but I do believe it to be likely true (I will look at some iso nonsense looking for a smoking gun, but do not expect results from this).

These were my shower thoughts.
Back to your usual programming!

[grr]

@Benneh what i meant was I want to see takes on you specifically because I pretty much drew a blank on you and Syn stuff didn't help develop a lean either. (and considering how people talked about you yesterday I assume you are kinda in random-CFD wagon territory for EoD so people should probs have opinions lol.). Your take on Syn is fine, you spent 10 seconds more than me thinking about them then

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ok im a bit confused after anni i was under the impression that ladd should have some leeway to bury a few villas (sorry ladd dont mean to be snarky but im still a bit irked i was the only one who saw it LOL) before he gets FoSed because it's the right way to play and im trying to adapt things so. um. but like idrc cuz stett is a villager anyway.

anyway after seeing sheep flip and skimming his iso right now im good with ladd being talked about cuz sheep was pinged by his treatment of him which seemed fair. sheeps reads give me a bit more confidence to be mild on wisdom, that's the main thing I got from it, I want to improve my read on Wisdom in general as I usually fail to protect her or sus her when I should so I aim to have a hopefully accurate opinion before EOD. (to be clear he (sheep) also had a big townlean on ender i think not sure what to make of that, and like idk he had a lot of other takes read for yourself but in general i didnt hate what he was focusing on broadly is what im saying rofl)

I still kinda feel like disengaging from talking becuz I dont really have a clue what's what and I tend to get entangled in just talking and then its just a mess lol. how to cure threadhog addiction. gunna look what newcomb said but afair he was just enjoying life so i dont expect to find the holy grail in there.

[Wisdom]

I like those thoughts, although I can never see Rask coaching Syn lol

I don't understand why Maple's fps (if it's fps) would be town indicative?

(Also if someone's a kp wouldn't it be Death? Judgement sounds like an investigative)

[Raskolnikov]

If this is what you mean I don't really get it.

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
@Gemma: yes