Tarot Mafia

[nebjiamn]

also, in my opinion syn seems like the archetype of a wolf who puts at least someone in his team in the lower parts of his reads because he doesn't expect to live long and the default instinct is that it will help your teammates out later



and like, looking at the bottom two tiers here, it's not colonel (imo posting just too good, also seemed vaguely spewed from other syn posts)
it's not sheep
i'm taking wisdom's claim at face value (saw while skimming when i woke up, but am doing a full catch up now)
so like. it's the same people i'm wanting to kill - jan and rask, or ender

maybe this is a good time to expand on my townread on ender, will also steal part of this from ladd:



and there's also an idiosyncratic element here, which is ender's wolfread of me that he has for basically no reason, and is something he also did as town last game. i know this shouldn't really be something that amounts to much because lmao, but it feels like a strange thing for him to choose to replicate as a wolf because it all really does is serve to alienate me (which it did last game). guy just always finds me weird for some reason

add onto this his post about syn wagon giving him the heebies at eod, and that's another parallel i can draw to the last game here where he was town - a pretty clear lack of TMI at eod and posts which make him look surface level bad but just aren't actually wolfy

i read what you are saying and I can sorta buy it but i also think if framed differently it becomes the same argument you used about jan/rask. his post about the syn wagon for example is just like -- to quote you -- "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!"

why is his comment a lack of TMI but rask or jan's not (i dont even disagree about rask really, i do think jan is likely town, but why does ender get cushier treatment)

genuine question and not antagonistic, i just dont follow WHY you are townreading him for these things even though you gave reasons as to why it could be town. "i dont know why he'd choose to replicate this as a wolf" when you are towning him at least partially for it is a good example of one of those cognitive dissonance type posts that drive me crazy (no offense and i know i do it too).

[EnderWiggin]

Also I'm ngl last night it was more me flirting with sussing you because you felt weirdly pedantic about my posts.

And you replaced into a slot I sussed.

[nebjiamn]

Also I have very vocally sussed Benneh and Sunbae.

You aren't really reading me if you've missed that.

q: have you re-read me or given takes on my posting other than for hwen i called you out in relation to the sunbae post? is your push on me basically still omgus?

[EnderWiggin]

q: have you re-read me or given takes on my posting other than for hwen i called you out in relation to the sunbae post? is your push on me basically still omgus?

I honestly don't remember what I've put in thread, but the core of it was you jumping on me opportunistically sure.

I've barely been able to catch up so idk what you want with me to "re-read" you.

[nebjiamn]

I honestly don't remember what I've put in thread, but the core of it was you jumping on me opportunistically sure.

I've barely been able to catch up so idk what you want with me to "re-read" you.

im just curious if your read has evolved or revalidated / whatever mostly

[Arctic]

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
@Gemma: yes

this is in part why i'm kind of coming around to you and ladd being w/w
mostly just ladd either way because like. he was townreading jan too based on vague meta stuff when other people were voicing concerns

[ladd]

There is something about firefighter claims that spooks me lmao

Like they always seem fake to me even when they are real

@artic i dont get what u are saying about me/jan? I villa read him d1, thought his eod was bad and pushed him d2 (i def voiced concerns) and then re settled to him being okaysh


Anyway there is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom

[Arctic]

i read what you are saying and I can sorta buy it but i also think if framed differently it becomes the same argument you used about jan/rask. his post about the syn wagon for example is just like -- to quote you -- "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!"

why is his comment a lack of TMI but rask or jan's not (i dont even disagree about rask really, i do think jan is likely town, but why does ender get cushier treatment)

genuine question and not antagonistic, i just dont follow WHY you are townreading him for these things even though you gave reasons as to why it could be town. "i dont know why he'd choose to replicate this as a wolf" when you are towning him at least partially for it is a good example of one of those cognitive dissonance type posts that drive me crazy (no offense and i know i do it too).

the difference here is that it's not really pro-wolf. he doesn't achieve anything by doing it other than hoping he gets townread for a lack of TMI. this is different to the case of insomnia townreading jan, because there is more of a clear reason for jan to do what he did especially in this case if rask is a villager.. as ladd put it it's literally the perfect crime to vote out town!rask incorrectly townreading wolf!syn to both get a villager out instead of a wolf and increase syn's survivability using rask's read as he dies. this is way more meticulous than "syn wagon gives me the heebies" which doesn't really do anything in the moment to help the wolf agenda. wisdom townreading rask for his read on syn is probably more comparable, but even that has a pretty clear explanation for why it can come from a wolf - people treat rask as an authority on syn and that read can keep him alive for longer

[Maple]

My bad chat, I spent the entire night getting botches instead of posting into the game of werewolf

That one's on me

[Arctic]

There is something about firefighter claims that spooks me lmao

Like they always seem fake to me even when they are real

@artic i dont get what u are saying about me/jan? I villa read him d1, thought his eod was bad and pushed him d2 (i def voiced concerns) and then re settled to him being okaysh


Anyway there is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

[EnderWiggin]

im just curious if your read has evolved or revalidated / whatever mostly

You've spent most of the posts in my catch up egging people/reads on without much I find towny so idk why I'd change that.

Read evolved from Omgus to fry.gif at level 21

[nebjiamn]

You've spent most of the posts in my catch up egging people/reads on without much I find towny so idk why I'd change that.

Read evolved from Omgus to fry.gif at level 21

thats not a valid pokemon evolution path

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Raskolnikov


fine giving ender some space, would rather go rask than jan but could also vote maple ig

[EnderWiggin]

In counterpoint to Arctic I kinda thought Ladd looked ~okay.

When I have played against him as wolf he's tended to find weak town players and push them relentlessly. (Point of fact, I was one of the players he pushed when wolf.)

Alongside the melds that Arctic is directly talking about, I also just don't feel that the "Wolf!Ladd finding town targets to push" exists here in so much as I'd expect.

Maybe I'm wrong. But maybe I'm right ya know?

[ladd]

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

There is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom (jan/wisdom obviousky dont both fakeclaim pr as w/w, rask/jan are unpaired from eod and rask/wisdom i have unpaired from both a couple of d1 posts and the stuff today)

You villaread ender

So like who are the wolves?

[Maple]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

[Arctic]

if i had to guess death flavor would probably be kp

[Arctic]

There is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom (jan/wisdom obviousky dont both fakeclaim pr as w/w, rask/jan are unpaired from eod and rask/wisdom i have unpaired from both a couple of d1 posts and the stuff today)

You villaread ender

So like who are the wolves?

dunno. you? rask? dolby? benneh? maple? monte/vanta could be anything

[Jan]

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

this is a dangerous narrative to push.

rask can be a wolf and if he is then I am just the best player in this game.
but rask could be a villager, I am an total idiot (and still the best player in this game).

you are not the first to push this narrative and I said before that there are a lot of worlds in between and you seem to ignore them for reasons.

[EnderWiggin]

While we're at it I might as well claim PR too.

Idk if Stett got any info about my targeting her last night but there's that.

[Arctic]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

do you think any of this should factor into my read on you because ngl it's all going straight over my head especially since i imagine it was villagers that targeted you

and what good does claiming that you have a PGO do, exactly

[nebjiamn]

i too am a PR

my target last night was

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ur mom

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motion was detected

[Arctic]

wait did jan claim PR too

[EnderWiggin]

Are we in a role madness game.

[Maple]

do you think any of this should factor into my read on you because ngl it's all going straight over my head especially since i imagine it was villagers that targeted you

and what good does claiming that you have a PGO do, exactly

It means I don't accidently kill a vigi or a cop on a future night where I happen to decide to activate. Or I'm a wolf and I don't want to be checked, one or the other.

But no, the inverted version of my role is self resolving. And yes I was playing dumb on the whole inversion thing earlier.

[Jan]

i too am a PR

my target last night was

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ur mom

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motion was detected

I'm happy for her.

Single and ready to mingle.

[Raskolnikov]

Are we in a role madness game.

Maybe. I have left enough hints itt myself.

[Maple]

The arso is probably Tower. Locking that read in.

[Arctic]

blah you just wrote a few sentences on why im a villager and then didnt get to the right conclusionnnnnnnnnnn

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I can't help myself it's time to talk about me! I'm a polarized player if you know what to look for because I'm doing two totally different things when I village or wolf. It's why people like Visor just snap me off. Most people try to read me through a lens of "is she making logical cases and consistent arguments? Is the tone good? Is there fire?" and like, you're just gonna struggle if that's the case. The tone is gonna be fine as a wolf, I'm going to have fire usually because my brain won't let me not care/try hard, and the arguments/cases/defenses I put out are going to be mostly sound because I'm trying hard to make them be mostly sound. Thats why people think it's hard to read me! But it's not if you just know what to look for. As a wolf I'm full of agenda and every single thing I'm doing has a purpose. Whether it's to get in the right thread position (towney but not in a way where people wonder why im not dead in four days!), getting credit for future flip, defending partners, getting the thread in the right vibe to make wolfing easier (zomg everyones so villagery! mechanics twisted hunting! everyone take it easy we dont need to dig through stuff we're doing well as is! things like that), etc. When I village I'm just kind of doing my own thing, out on an island, making my reads, trying to get people to listen to me a bit (and then getting mildly flustered when nobody does), all over the place, and sometimes things just dont make sense because I'm exploring options or making mental mistakes or jumped from point a to point d and missed something along the way etc. I've joked before that people find me more villagery when I wolf and it's because I do things people find villagery as a wolf and just do things that help me solve the game as a villager (note: i am not saying people always find me villagery as a wolf or anything, just like making a more often general statement etc).

So in this game I've made hard, consistent reads I believe in. They've been on an island, people don't really agree with me for the most part but I just keep them because they are real reads and not things I'm trying to get thread position for. I don't really care much about what people have me as outside of when two people are saying opposite things about me and finding me wolfy for them (knights/ender, rask calling me consensusy and others asking me wtf im doing) which is objectively funny (and understandable! different people have different things they find wolfy!) I care zero about future positioning (i didnt even vote, got distracted by reading through stuff and bouncing posts back and forth before i left and forgot to). I'm just existing as I am and have zero attempts to throw weight around or adjust the gameflow or anything really.

But this is always the fun part of these things (and why I inevitably end up talking about it every game!): I can say all these factual statements and nobody can really believe them because we're in the game and it's impossible to take them at face value while its going on (and post game people don't really care enough to go back and check because so much more interesting thigns happened and everyones exhausted anyways). Like from my pov I am an obvious villager (like, legit obvious villager not the funny meme one I say about myself to make benneh laugh in turbos). Alas, who can believe me when I could be lying :(

Ok that's that but I'm glad I got to do it

is this the iaafr unconvincing self-meta towntell

[ColonelLubriderm]

The arso is probably Tower. Locking that read in.

YOU MISPELLED WISDOM;

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