Tarot Mafia

[Wisdom]

My d1 voting streak is over :(

[Maple]

f7 btw so we need to vote correctly and all together

what are people thinking right now?

Maplechora cannot possibly be the only one posting full lists here

[grr]

I shot sunbae btw with maples card. I don't even wanna claim it ngl but I probs should rofl. I suppose I can explain it altho I don't really like explaining why I thought a villager was a wolf cuz it was evidently wrong but anyway. I already read had re-read d1-d2 and umm, I basically got reminded of why I was so sus of them early on and thought that was still valid.

He was also was pretty sure(?) about saying Wisdom looked good off benneh the day before so it kinda made sense to me to shoot him, but it's probably stupid reasoning. And I also just kinda believed when knights said Sunbae should be seeing him as town. I don't know how well these players know each other unfortunately but in general I believe these kinda takes.

And also to be honest. I really hoped if I shot wrong that the game would immediately end so I would be saved of the embarassment. alas.

Monte is probably my highest TR. Yesterdays EOD felt towny, todays SOD also feels towny (seems genuinely uninformed that the vig was not done by wolf). After seeing Gemma died, I am not sure if I was totally clowning on copreading bop, I might have been. I have more reads but mostly they come down to everyone else feels like a wolf to me.

[grr]

I am a VT btw. I have been mulling over why insomnia actually did v-read vanta, as Gemma squinted at that read, and after I reading I kinda get it felt fake lmao, he said Vanta looks to have a genuine flow or something (i would need to read again just speaking out of memory now), and then I looked at Vantas wolf game over on MU and it also sounded "fine" to me so I didn't get it.

and i will make no secret of it, the fact that insomnia virtually dodged like 3 EoDs in a row in varying degrees and no prior warning has been bothering me. is it wolfy? no clue. but it's certainly not helping keeping up trust. so at this point I have been mostly clinging to Arctic and ladd saying he was a villager.

[Maple]

let me consult the chart......

[grr]

Maple has looked super wolfy to me socially despite having giving me a card and I'm just kinda "sheeping" whatever (i suppose the inventor mech IS kinda >rand v? Like I genuinely have no fucking clue. I did however also not forget what bopolis said about the PGO being a wolf tech, no one talked about that ever again and thats how it goes) but I'll actually be surprised if he flips town. So the bottom line is everyone but Monte is a wolf in my eyes. (inb4 monte is a wolf then just whatever tbh).

Ig we have no hammer so

Vote: Wisdom If wrong GGs it wasnt meant to be. If right we probably still also lose idk what to do.

[grr]

let me consult the chart......

this is hilarious tell me when you found out.

[Maple]

im actually stunlocked right now

i have never been so frozen in a game of werewolf

this is what i get for pushing knights and dolby i dont even think im allowed to complain

[Maple]

why *not* shoot wisdom last night?

[grr]

So here's the issue:

Am I willing to bet the game on this Wisdom/Maple v/v read I have?

Ugh idk. Watching all the dead villagers roll in after losing to Wisdom or Maple would make me feel like I failed. They've been adamant that those two need to die and it would be incredibly selfish to just say nah to that.

But also, that's just ... what I believe? and I have more information now than they did when they died. So maybe I am supposed to roll with it. Trust myself and my ability to read players. I've never been afraid of looking silly (side note: me saying things that are wild or silly is a good way to town read me because I'm way more hesitant to say things like that as a wolf when as a villager I just believe it and go) but I'm also washed and rusty you know so bleh. Also, I don't even know if I have the threadpull to convince anyone anyways if I want to shield.

I wish I did it for Ladd. Is it just overcorrecting to do it now? It's tough spot for me.

I'm not gunna dig all up the posts but one of the main reason is sunbae was pushing to get out of the Wisdom/Maple PoE earlier so if wisdom flipped wolf I was always gonna hard wolfread him anyway.

[Maple]

Bruh it's 2am and I'm sitting in my kittycat PJs, staring at my phone, wondering where it all went so wrong

Early childhood, most likely.

[Maple]

I'm not gunna dig all up the posts but one of the main reason is sunbae was pushing to get out of the Wisdom/Maple PoE earlier so if wisdom flipped wolf I was always gonna hard wolfread him anyway.

Then like why go into today voting wisdom then?

If you shot sunbae based on a reads based same check, why not either clear out the poe slot or protect the second half of the difference check?

[grr]

Then like why go into today voting wisdom then?

If you shot sunbae based on a reads based same check, why not either clear out the poe slot or protect the second half of the difference check?

so u think after a failed shot the first thing i do is ignore what everyone else has been saying was correct. idk i dont really care you solving me cuz honestly it just convinced me more that you are a wolf because you know i am a pretty obvious read without having to inspect my deeper logic or actions.

[Maple]

Bro are you kidding me?

Your actions have 0 logical consistency here.

You see that, right?

I gave you a fucking gun how am I EVER a wolf?

[Maple]

Why not have this reconsideration after knights died?

[grr]

Bro are you kidding me?

Your actions have 0 logical consistency here.

You see that, right?

I gave you a fucking gun how am I EVER a wolf?

idk? i hoped OTHERS would tell me but I have given up on that like, n2 or something.

[grr]

Why not have this reconsideration after knights died?

wdym?

[Maple]

I mean, I WISH I could claim a vig shot, but no.

Okay, I asked for a card, and I got TWO. I think it's late enough in the game to say that one was a protective and the other, which by the sound of it shoulda been a vig or something, was not, but is merely a modifier to another action, and I couldn't use them both at the same time. I used the protective on someone who is still alive, but I don't know if it did anything. In light of two kills I'm wondering again about this evasive arsonist, which I'd pretty much written off as either never here or dead.

If Ender is wolf, venta must always be a partner

Doesn't go both ways sadly so it isn't exactly a same check I don't think

[Maple]

wdym?

We killed knights over wisdom in a tied vote. We killed a villager over wisdom. Why not have that be the moment where you say "perhaps I should resolve this centuries old wagon"?

I see no difference between killing knights and killing sunbae wrt "make me reconsider on wisdom"

[grr]

I cant really do world building here. if ur town insonmia/venta/wisdom maybe makes sense based on the little i remember but its like insomnia snowed everyone then and im not even sure if im buying that myself and im still trying to wrap my head around how the he just disappears from the scene several EoDs.

[grr]

We killed knights over wisdom in a tied vote. We killed a villager over wisdom. Why not have that be the moment where you say "perhaps I should resolve this centuries old wagon"?

I see no difference between killing knights and killing sunbae wrt "make me reconsider on wisdom"

honestly the genuine response is throwing my hands in the air and saying "idk man". lol

[Maple]

Yeah that's probably the best answer you can reasonably give here

[insomnia]

f7 btw so we need to vote correctly and all together

what are people thinking right now?

Maplechora cannot possibly be the only one posting full lists here

vote wisdom and if it's wrong, wasn't meant to be

[Maple]

Grr if you're v and your mont read is correct the possible teams are

Ender venta insom

Or

Venta wisdom insom

Right?

I cant really see ender vanta wisdom since that's sort of an insane bus esp when it goes to a rand

[insomnia]

i really do think it's just 2 alive but maybe im intoxicated

[Maple]

i really do think it's just 2 alive but maybe im intoxicated

I was thinking about this

And uh

If rask was full nk and it's a team of 5, one of the wolves is highly likely lost

If rask was some other form of neutral, then it's a full wolf team

And if it's a team of 4, a miss today doesn't end the game

[Maple]

I'm willing to just lose to Ben being lost, quite frankly

[grr]

Grr if you're v and your mont read is correct the possible teams are

Ender venta insom

Or

Venta wisdom insom

Right?

I cant really see ender vanta wisdom since that's sort of an insane bus esp when it goes to a rand

ngl I dont know why I would exclude a wisdom bus if wisdom is a wolf.

[insomnia]

I think rask was SK

the flavor can make him arso but idk why he would ever be claiming a kill d2 unless it wasn't his in a closed setup that 99% has a villa vig. his syn read was genuine, he wasn't a wolf, so he can just keep posting / solving and change the course without instantly claiming, but i think he did that cuz it was the easier / shorter route

[grr]

i really do think it's just 2 alive but maybe im intoxicated

why do u think this i almost never play large setups. i need references i feel like only 2 alive means we got a lot more leeway than we should have?