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[Maple]

so barring weirdness your world is taffy/wisdom? which i’m not sure fits

or you think syn can be a wolf? doubtful imo

genuinely don’t get why you’re clearing ladd, rask’s role working has no bearing on ladd’s alignment

I want him to die in the night

[Syn]

good morning

time to read three pages

[Hally]

Idk how manti always rands the dumbest PRs lmao

Rask called it too



Vaimes eod seemed pretty uninformed to me, he was 1 of the top 2 waza villa reads and he has seemed to clearly care about who the wolves are. I can re read him but I dont see why he would not be a villager

i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

[Syn]

I assume he walked into that chat and went "I'm VT" bc that's how I'd initially claim in a chat with an unconfirmed player regardless of my actual role

I can't see why this would be the thought and move before knowing anything. I don't understand this post at all really

[Syn]

What's your impression of Maple's EoD?

Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious

I voted Maple because they're posting like they're at a funeral. not really that deep and subject to change on a whim

[Wisdom]

wisdom, your PoE seems fine

mine would be this except with you instead of me

honestly don’t think taffy is a wolf though

Gut agree wrt Taffy

[Syn]

I thought the poem was ender's ngl

I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender

[Vaimes]

i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip

the fact that he flipped w was pure luck

and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming

[Cape90]

I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

Well I did vote Visor with you day 1 because I didn't want Wisdom to go over because I had thought if Taffy is mafia, they spewed Wisdom as hard town. Also for the Vaimes reason of "Visor underwhelming"

[Hally]

what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip

the fact that he flipped w was pure luck

and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming

i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone


i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

[Cape90]

I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good

You know
That is a good point

[Cape90]

I haven't read EoD yet I don't have time for it rn I was just going to go through this morning's posts quickly

and yes I've seen w/w wagons but they're not as common as w/v wagons
I'd never shoot the cw to a wolf I'd shoot someone who was on that cw or someone who had a particularly bad EoD

How much of the game have you read?
This is an aspect that worries me about you since it looked like from your day 1 logs it was more then you shared

[Maple]

i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

i think his responses to my grilling at eod look generally good given the results

on visor's role, he was pretty doa so unless wolves chose not to go for a snipe due to the wagon formations, i'd say he just sorta died without the opportunity to use it; i think in general wolves have a pretty strong d1 given visor was *sort of* a dv

also vanillaizor tells us... basically nothing, tho the inventor mode is kinda interesting i guess

[Cape90]

Also Taffy, if you get misyeeted often as town like you are saying, why then assume the push day 1 from me and the Hally thing was in bad faith?

[Vaimes]

unvote
vote: ender

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yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

rip me for not actually reading this post earlier. this is EXACTLY what was going through my head this very minute. and then i saw ender's answer and it didn't really do anything for me

I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

this is kind of dodging the original question

you said:

I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.

so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly

[Vaimes]

i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone


i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

i mean, i also thought he had no interest in helping town solve/win the game. there's more than one way to wolfread someone

just sucks that sometimes slots like that end up flipping v

[Cape90]

i think people tend to put more focus on what roles wolves had than wolves do

in mashes it’s a thing with wolf kp but in a game like this i think a wolf team wants whoever is most town read and active to live

and visor’s role wasn’t really good idt, it was an odd night vanillizer right? not really worth saving when he was never living to N3 so it’s at best one shot N1 when you don’t even know anyone’s roles

I think this is fair tbh

[Cape90]

if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders

without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf

@Cuthillius maybe you can help here


vote: ladd

Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?

[Hally]

Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?

i hate italians

the better question is why are you town reading him?

[ladd]

I thought the poem was ender's ngl

I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender

His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v

i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not

where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple

[Syn]

His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v

I'm not sure that's true (that Ender would've never competed as a wagon) but you're right. I missed that he needed to be voting for one of the tied wagons

I got nothing. sure. let's blow him up

[Cape90]

i hate italians

the better question is why are you town reading him?

I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.

I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.

Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.

[Vaimes]

i'm...pretty much in agreement with what ladd is saying tbh

maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender

i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts

[Cape90]

His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v



We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not



I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple

IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.

Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this

[ladd]

IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.

Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this

I said you and taffy were back in the PoE for me/rask overnight (you were more a backup but taffy was back in the PoE)


but I dont really think you are a wolf at all now

taffy could still be one, but I think it's wisdom over them

[ladd]

vote:wisdom

[Hally]

I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple

sorry, i didn’t mean that like that “wtf why haven’t you nailed the exact team yet”

more so that fypov unless it’s the weird world where ender is a wolf it has to be manti + 1 of taffy/wisdom

and i agree that it doesn’t really feel like it’s taffy, so it’s just manti/wisdom? unless it’s ender

that works as well as anything i guess, though it feels lame

wisdom’s posts aren’t really doing anything for me today admittedly but if she’s a villager i think it’s more likely you’re a wolf than taffy, or it’s something dumb like ender/manti

i’m not sure if i’m being silly on taffy though, i couldn’t even really explain why i don’t think she’s a wolf and cape’s points seem broadly reasonable yet when i read taffy’s posts i’m like “nah”

i know you have more experience there than me

[Hally]

I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.

I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.

Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.

alright, this is fair enough and i don’t really disagree per se, but i also think that ladd could wolf like this in his sleep

this is a super easy game to wolf in imo, it’s really slow and everyone’s solve is basically sbpc so it’s easy to coast on simply correctly clearing the active villagers and mislunching the slankier ones that will probably never be able to post themselves clear

my read on ladd is essentially the same as his read on me D1 hehe, i do think he is right that we approach things really similarly so i’ve been thinking about how i would wolf in this game and i don’t think i would really do anything differently than he’s been doing

he is really good at faking nuanced thoughts and having good toan so i think you basically have to read him on whether his pushes seem agenda’d

and we make reads similarly so i can usually follow his pushes and find them convincing when he’s a villager, whereas here i thought his reasons for pushing wisdom D1 were pretty weak and seemed like he was stretching to wolf read her for what seemed like pretty normal wisdom posts

but it’s also totally possible she’s a wolf or he’s a villager who was forcing a read a bit because there wasn’t much to go on D1

[Hally]

i do kinda think visor would’ve had more juice had he randed wolf with ladd though, he’d enjoy that

but this is a dicey read and it’s totally possible visor flat out wasn’t feeling it regardless

[EnderWiggin]

so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly

That Visor is a wolf, the end.

Nah Rask state tells me nothing about Visor. I think Rask green makes me even more sus of Wisdom for the interaction/read there. Which is why I'm pushing Wisdom atm.

I even straight up said this on D1 but I guess people didn't read that.

I also think it makes Syn very likely town. I already thought this but it reinforces it.

I thought it would make Cuth more sus but that's irrelevant for now.

And at the time I was like "If Rask is green then Ladd probably green just from the way posted at/around each other." but idk how much I believe in that read anymore.