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[Vaimes]

I wasnt around at eod but my impression from reading back is that no sane wolf team would have flashwagoned away from visor

Until :45 with votes being 4-3 they could have gotten maybe wisdom lunched in the world they are a villager (assuming visor was around to snipe) but once rask made it5-2 it was all over

What were the other options for the wolfteam iyo?

i don't see why not? off the top of my head, i know hally, ender, cuth, and maple were all interested in a last-minute counterwagon. which is why i think there was either one wolf or no wolves at the time - if one was there, they didn't feel confident trying to make waves

i suppose the site's varied loading times also acted as a deterrant to any last-minute shenanigans, which is only slightly countered by the fact that we don't need a majority to eliminate someone

why didn't they at least have visor's vote on wisdom to potentially tie it?

[Vaimes]

Also, informative flips is a crap argument to yeet someone. Yeet wolves. If you yeet me, do so because you're confident I'm a wolf, don't hind behind "it's informative". Case why I'm a wolf so you'll risk to look bad when I'm flipped.

We win by killing wolves, not by killing townies for information.

ok

in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?

[Gemma]

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“I don’t understand a word you’ve said,” said Norton.

“Really I’ve just been talking nonsense,” said Amalfitano.

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3 wisdom - ender, ladd, vaimes
2 taffy - cape, syn
1 maple - wisdom
1 ladd - hally
1 ender - vaimes

[Vaimes]

i would say my major reasons for wanting to kill you are

1) you were a cw to a wolf, in a gamestate where i believe it would've been easy enough to shift towards killing you, with how much hand-wringing other players were doing over their visor votes. especially when wolves had a role that controlled tied wagons, and you weren't actually present at eod

2) your engagement with the game is detached enough that i have a hard time "getting there" on you, and it feels like townreading you would be more of a leap of faith than a genuine belief

3) because of your detachment, other people who are more invested in the game (but could be wolves) look a lot townier

[Wisdom]

ok

in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?

I'd say the most likely reason would be for Visor to have asked to be yeeted. Other possibilities could be that Visor was a town controlled wagon and there was no hope in changing, or that they didn't want to risk to spew me town. I think Visor just said "can't play, kill me" tho.

[Wisdom]

i would say my major reasons for wanting to kill you are

1) you were a cw to a wolf, in a gamestate where i believe it would've been easy enough to shift towards killing you, with how much hand-wringing other players were doing over their visor votes. especially when wolves had a role that controlled tied wagons, and you weren't actually present at eod

2) your engagement with the game is detached enough that i have a hard time "getting there" on you, and it feels like townreading you would be more of a leap of faith than a genuine belief

3) because of your detachment, other people who are more invested in the game (but could be wolves) look a lot townier

3 is a good point, my bad!

Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.

If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3

My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?

[EnderWiggin]

Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.

I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous

But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho

Visor
He exists

Oh, and Manti
Is "Von"=Vaimes?

So PoE is Ladd/Waza/Rask (all voting me lol) +Visor/Manti

Feels like you're moving towards the same goal. I dunno, vibes. Someone brought the team up and I'm confbiasing. Usually wolf reading me is towny but Ladd's 180 on me looked forced, Rask is just fooling around and I feel like you're moving in a straight line (not sure how to word but it's wolfy).

Hally felt towny at the start but then went "this game is too easy" and "I don't remember why I town read Wisdom" which I felt were two wolfy posts. Sticking to the tr for now tho

Got nothing on Visor yet

I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple

My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town

Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.

I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.

Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.

Wisdom's mentions of Visor before EOD.

The forgetting Visor is unironically a tell I used to look for because wolves would rarely forget to actually out a read on their partner.

I just feel the acknowledgement of Visor being possibly sus, including them in POE, then no self pres vote is the main issue. As well as Rask's strong wolfread there.

Also like:

POGGERS

RASK YOU GREAT CUTE LITTLE BAGUETTE

This daystart?

The overwhelming excitement over Rask desperadoing Cuth is... definitely over-excited for what I would expect. The biggest person pushing you killing themselves to town-prove someone who hasn't sussed you really though seems much more exciting.

Also personal but:

That's great, I needed that <3

I feel like this is Visor's most spewing post but I can't really get anything out of it. I don't think Visor was feeling that he'd be the yeet yet so he wouldn't have needed to distance? But then again he did nothing with this push.

I dunno I'm just rambling

This shade on me while also hedging on actually sussing me is ~iffy.

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Now while I was gathering these quotes I did notice something else which I'm just gonna collect quotes and see if I like it as much as I think. So brb.

[Vaimes]

3 is a good point, my bad!

Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.

If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3

My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?

this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)

cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there

[EnderWiggin]

I think Vaimes' latest 2 posts just make them town.

I kind of squint at #28 but otherwise I townread waza. I do not know whether waza calling me obv v comes from his comment earlier #18 or like one of the 2 things (or both) I have said since then. I keep getting a nudging feeling that waza's posts are strange despite my TR there. Just feels a bit clumsy (on top of the other thing I already said).

I townread waza because of said clumsiness though and I feel like the ladd thought is natural and he wouldn't play around Vaimes the way he is if he were wolf IMO.

Kinda like ladd's latest post.

I do not have any read on Ender/Syn/Visor right now. Only thing I can say about any of those slots is Syn's posting seems like Syn meta wise.

Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.

This is like, the type of question that I find a tad questionable as I don't recall Visor really doing anything super note worthy.

Reminds me of when my town team mate in a mafia team game got suspected by mafia when he kinda hardly did anything and wasn't really getting traction as a vote either...

I have seen Visor be misvoted over being underwhelming before and like... He only has 5 posts lol

Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.

Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.

Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town

"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"

Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise

Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.

Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor

And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)


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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.

[EnderWiggin]

this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)

cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there

[Vaimes]

Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.

I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous

But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho

this post did not age well

[Vaimes]

Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.



Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.



"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"



And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)


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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.

i do agree with this, as much as i'd like to turn a blind eye to it bc i've liked the majority of cape's posts

sigh

[Vaimes]

I just feel the acknowledgement of Visor being possibly sus, including them in POE, then no self pres vote is the main issue. As well as Rask's strong wolfread there.

yes this thank you

i could understand if wisdom didn't feel like voting a hard-null read, but she went out of her way to highlight that he was in her poe AND that him being afk is something he's done as a wolf

[Vaimes]

i have questions about maple

why did they talk a big game about liking to tunnel people ~for content~ but has literally not pushed a single slot in this game

why did they vote cuth for no reason and then make a tiny bit of noise about no one else wanting to join that wagon

why were they complaining about a lack of cw without actually pushing anything for the entire dayphase

why was maple openly rolehunting

somebody who's taken intro to maple 101, please explain

if these are unfair takes, i'm happy to be corrected

[Hally]

Hmm
Maybe I've played too much IRL mafia lately
Because I read thread and I nod along but I don't really feel a need to post a ton? At this game state I won't change people's minds, the best thing I've got going is my treatment of Visor but if people still sus me I dunno what could change their minds.

Like, I think the game is solved.

Cape town Cuth town or exactly w/w with ladd

I think Vaimes treatment of both me and Visor is clearing for him

Syn oozes town imo. Don't know how to descibe it but I really can’t find anything off there. He's the most team player I've ever seen him, and compared to our last game where he was really unmotivated and antagonistic I can't see him be fakey here, I think he's just having fun.

Hally's posting is strong and it's easy to follow their reasoning and I think they pretty much always makes sense, it's their posts I read with the most attention to try to challenge my own reads.

Ender is hard to read imo but I think there's a genuine wim of solvyness in his posts. I liked his "Why would I treat Visor like this as wolf" and "Btw this was my previous mindset" posts, but if I'm wrong on the people below I'd say it's Ender.

Taffy has good points although I vibed with the narrowed focus argument.

Ladd is ladding. I think his treatment of me is off, I'm not used to see him this shrugging and I can easily see that be a wolf thing. My only point of doubt is that Cape is town reading him.

Maple is mostly just there. I found one post towny early d1 and then it's like he forgot to bring his soul to thread, similar to how Visor was. And he's in everyone's PoE despite not really being properly pushed, which in my book is usually wolf indicative (compare to me who's in everyone’s PoE but also always on the chopping block).

So, I'm not really worried, I think we got this even if you yeet me. I guess if Cape turns out to be a wolf we lose but I'm really not there atm.

what about your treatment of visor do you think people should be town reading?


honestly wouldn’t even be thaaaat surprised if cape is owning everyone, but we’re never getting there if so lol

[Hally]

ok

in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?

would caution against making reads like this tbh

wolves could just be disorganized or not around or think people wouldn’t wanna switch to wisdom or think it’s better to just bus

if you wanna vote wisdom do it because you think her posts are wolfy, all this other stuff about wagons could mean anything

[Cape90]

Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.



Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.



"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"



And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)


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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.

You missed a part of my Visor read where I said that one post people were townreading Visor for I didn't find towny.

It was hard to have a confident read on Visor when he was just there.

When I got to my Taffy read I started getting confbiased into thinking that Taffy's last post of day 1 spewed Visor as town if Taffy is wolf. BUT after looking back I think Wisdom was way more spewed there.

Yeah I said it pretty late as I spent like 20 or so minutes looking at Wisdom's logs. I would have said what I said whether Wisdom was top wagon or not, in this case... They were not

[Cape90]

Like IMO, it was pure luck that Visor was mafia there, because it was rand otherwise

[Hally]

maybe i’m just a hater but i don’t really find anything vaimes or ender have been posting on this page convincing

the wisdom stuff is whatever and the cape/visor stuff doesn’t really move me at all

feels like people are grasping at straws because nobody is giving much to work with

but i don’t wanna poopoo actual work happening so carry on

[Hally]

i have questions about maple

why did they talk a big game about liking to tunnel people ~for content~ but has literally not pushed a single slot in this game

why did they vote cuth for no reason and then make a tiny bit of noise about no one else wanting to join that wagon

why were they complaining about a lack of cw without actually pushing anything for the entire dayphase

why was maple openly rolehunting

somebody who's taken intro to maple 101, please explain

if these are unfair takes, i'm happy to be corrected

welcome to the manti experience

we’re 99% gonna lunch manti in the next couple of days unless something radically changes and she will flip an alignment

[Wisdom]

what about your treatment of visor do you think people should be town reading?


honestly wouldn’t even be thaaaat surprised if cape is owning everyone, but we’re never getting there if so lol

I think me going soft AtE and say "don't let Visor get away with what he does best" is clearing for me, I've pretty much stopped bussing/distancing d1 and that's not how I'd approach it if I wanted my spew to look good (I sincerely expected to die when I went to bed, that should be obvious regardless of my alignment)

[Wisdom]

On another note I might be healthy enough to go back to work tomorrow and I'm finally back at top 70 in New Pokémon Snap (trying to catch the nice spot above me is harder than I expected tho)

[Hally]

manti’s poem seems like something that would be one of many abilities in a wolf role as opposed to a standalone town role

but what do i know

[Maple]

3 is a good point, my bad!

Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.

If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3

My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?

I'm actually so lock clear if you're a wolf

but us being w/w/w would be SO funny with that eod1d

[Maple]

manti’s poem seems like something that would be one of many abilities in a wolf role as opposed to a standalone town role

but what do i know

indeed!

[Hally]

tfw cuth gets cleared and never posts again

[Maple]

welcome to the manti experience

we’re 99% gonna lunch manti in the next couple of days unless something radically changes and she will flip an alignment

my lot in life is doming someone d4 and either dying or living then dying in f3

so it goes

[Maple]

anyway, i was REALLY hoping we could use the wolves to resolve ladd tonight, but im pretty confident that ship's sailed

alas

im mildly concerned that we have like some pretty jarring differences in our povs, hally, and i suppose the greater concern is that one of us might be wrong and fuck things up later, ya know?

i agree with you that vaimes hasnt had ~much this d2, tho this d2 has been a bit of a wash (im pretty sure we're just gonna get taffy/wisdom wagons at EoD, and one of them are gonna go over, and then we'll wagon the survivor against me or ladd or *someone* who makes weird posts between then and now against the survivor)

but anyway

things feel railed, is what im saying

and to be clear, i believe my fullclaim buys me a day so im not currently fussed. wolves either kill me or they dont, idrc

but that's besides the point

i think the absolute funniest world *is* the one where cuth/ladd are w/w and just made the entire thing up, like that would go SO hard

but i really *was* hoping we could leash the kp onto ladd; dude's presumably claimed vanilla in the chat, and if he's VT we just get the wolves to clear him tn since there's like... a LOT of sus around the slot. i think that's more correct to do than go for the kill cause i dont *think* anyone intends on killing him here today, no?

nbd overall, we're fine

[Hally]

anyway, i was REALLY hoping we could use the wolves to resolve ladd tonight, but im pretty confident that ship's sailed

alas

im mildly concerned that we have like some pretty jarring differences in our povs, hally, and i suppose the greater concern is that one of us might be wrong and fuck things up later, ya know?

i agree with you that vaimes hasnt had ~much this d2, tho this d2 has been a bit of a wash (im pretty sure we're just gonna get taffy/wisdom wagons at EoD, and one of them are gonna go over, and then we'll wagon the survivor against me or ladd or *someone* who makes weird posts between then and now against the survivor)

but anyway

things feel railed, is what im saying

and to be clear, i believe my fullclaim buys me a day so im not currently fussed. wolves either kill me or they dont, idrc

but that's besides the point

i think the absolute funniest world *is* the one where cuth/ladd are w/w and just made the entire thing up, like that would go SO hard

but i really *was* hoping we could leash the kp onto ladd; dude's presumably claimed vanilla in the chat, and if he's VT we just get the wolves to clear him tn since there's like... a LOT of sus around the slot. i think that's more correct to do than go for the kill cause i dont *think* anyone intends on killing him here today, no?

nbd overall, we're fine

i honestly don’t get why you thought at any point today that ladd would get killed tonight

i’m obviously dying tonight assuming wolves don’t kill cuth, which… why would they lol

[Hally]

well, maybe ladd could die if wisdom flips wolf

or cape could die if we lunch taffy and she flips wolf, but we’re clearly lunching wisdom today