Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[annika]

If you are going off of turbos, I have held my claim as a PR on the counterwagon countless times. Which is why I would do it here if I have a strong sense that I won't actually die.

no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends

this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role

which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look

not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple

your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao

but yeah I still think youre mafia

[Maple]

I was writing out how I thought annika could still be a wolf with arctic because she was pushing me during eod then I realized that didn't make sense gg

[Maple]

Meow meow people on this page acting like alien shapeshifters

[Totally not Taffy]

I was writing out how I thought annika could still be a wolf with arctic because she was pushing me during eod then I realized that didn't make sense gg

Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo

Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to

Vote: Arctic

bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it

Taffy (10)

[Totally not Taffy]

Oh also @Maple

If I understand things correctly (I have only read posts since my own from this morning so far, so not caught up at all) then you're the one handing out the night chats and I would love one tonight

Taffy (11)

[annika]

Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo

Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to

Vote: Arctic

bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it

Taffy (10)

I don’t know Arctic’s alignment yet, I’m just leaning him wolf rn. I don’t really see a reason to be embarrassed bc I dont think ive done anything wrong yet..? hehe

I defended the two PR wagons and killed a wolf, I mightve also defended another wolf D1 but I re-evaled today :D and if he’s not then uhm. well then I might have a reason to be embarrassed cus *then* I’d be wrong on him lol

:3

[Arctic]

no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends

this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role

which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look

not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple

your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao

but yeah I still think youre mafia

i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position

i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up

i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate

i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be

anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care

if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here

[ladd]

i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be

I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off


Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours

[Visor]

i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position

i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up

i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate

i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be

anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care

if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here

sup

i am interested in your thoughts

[Arctic]

I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off


Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours

rask overtook me at :59

deadline was :01 not :00

i would have tried to claim at :00 if i was still top wagon but i was happy risking it because my role isnt that important

sup

i am interested in your thoughts

why are you sure lissa is town? i don't think they were playing like a villager concerned that town was going to sleepwalk into the maple elim which is someone they were townreading

are you still wolfreading benneh or no?

i think the dya stuff is hard to like, willingly lock someone over so i can kinda get it but i haven't really found them wolfy regardless so i don't see much of a reason to go there

[Visor]

I am not sure Lissa is town

I am actually trending down there

[didistetter]

@pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.

So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983, 987, 1005, and 1007?

[Visor]

Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

Explain how this is Wolfy lol

Why wouldn't he do that as a village pr

[Arctic]

@pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.

So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983, 987, 1005, and 1007?

i'm shrugging it off because i don't really think the guy is a wolf

it is obvious that i am not trying to kill anyone except myself because i have given two specific targets who no one else wants

what exactly do you expect me to do

my read on benneh is based on objective information and i don't townread his posts today

my read on lissa is more up to debate, but as far as i can tell it is true. she has not meaningfully suggested who a wolf is pre-benneh's post about me

[pzelda]

@pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.

So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983, 987, 1005, and 1007?

The problem of playing the game while also doing something else is that I tend to forget details. So, let's focus on broader stokes. The first thing I liked is that Arctic came back and started fighting. And tbh his posts are quite contentful. If mafia, he's quite confident in his skill to sway us away.
I agree that his Lissa and Ben reads are a weak salsa. I was thinking about that while writing the previous lines and I hope I'm not creating a narrative here. For w!Arctic targeting Benneh or Lissa would be an obvious strategy here. Their death would mean a removal of a strong town player. It would be a win win for an evil Arctic. They would stay alive longer, remove a threat and get another chance to thrive.
If Arctic is V, I see some logic in pushing the people who push you.

Also, the bus driver is driving like crazy, honking his way through traffic.

[didistetter]

@Visor bleh go ahead and track arctic pls
@Totally not Taffy idk who's good to douse but i truly truly dont think annika ever sells out a partner (afk or otherwise) to shield PR. She was scumreading arctic until eod then switched, that's not w/w for her. Please don't douse that. Selfishly a douse but not ignite on benneh might be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine but also idk. I won't cry if you light up tonight but it would be a massive bummer to turn mountainous


Dunno lol minimum one wolf is playing rlly well. Would be swag if maple/dya could give more thots, but availability/investment can't be forced

@annika disloyal inventor is extremely possible. Do not lock clear maple for the claim. That would be like lock clearing wisdom for claiming 2-shot firefighter.

[ladd]

@Visor bleh go ahead and track arctic pls
@Totally not Taffy idk who's good to douse but i truly truly dont think annika ever sells out a partner (afk or otherwise) to shield PR. She was scumreading arctic until eod then switched, that's not w/w for her. Please don't douse that. Selfishly a douse but not ignite on benneh might be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine but also idk. I won't cry if you light up tonight but it would be a massive bummer to turn mountainous


Dunno lol minimum one wolf is playing rlly well. Would be swag if maple/dya could give more thots, but availability/investment can't be forced

@annika disloyal inventor is extremely possible. Do not lock clear maple for the claim. That would be like lock clearing wisdom for claiming 2-shot firefighter.

why are we tracking arctic?

and ya second to not douse annika plz

[ladd]

the most solid thing i landed on is that ender/artic has exactly 1 wolf, the other depends a lot from who of those 2 is the wolf


but regardless prolly gonna be a pain in the ass to find

bbl to make a vote but its gonna be 1 of the above i think

[ladd]

random setup spec thought - rask role being an hard counter to taffy is a bit weird cause like if taffy is the only villa kp and they are being countered this hard its kinda useless? rask role basically means that realistically no wolves would die to bombs until that role is alive

[didistetter]

why are we tracking arctic?

and ya second to not douse annika plz

im proposing not killing arctic, not having taffy kill arctic, and having visor track arctic so we can hard confirm him town.

if arctic IS a n2 redirect BG, then he can redirect all actions targetting visor to himself (shows as a visit to visor on a track) and we can just clear the kid instead of lunching a PR.

only problem would be if like mafia have a rb and slap it on arctic and kill visor/taffy which is possible so nvrmind lol

idk.

I kinda believe arctics posts ;-;

also like.... I'm not even really sure who could be wolf with him. he didn't need to claim pr today, and if he's a wolf claiming pr if he's like.... on a team with dya, seems useless to wolf wincon

he's clearly not with ender, taffy, or benneh
he's not with annika imo
maple had one sassy post towards him eod that felt sorta unpaired

and i dont really see how arctic PR claiming here, espec after the vanilla claim, is helpful to wincon.

IG the one point is like: he claimed PR after taffy said she had a douse on him, so could be a strat to just ensure a mislunch before taffy lights him up

but who's the other in that world?

i feel like im simultaneously overcooking and undercooking idfk

[Visor]

Maybe we should kill benneh or Lissa

[Totally not Taffy]

Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo

Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to

Vote: Arctic

bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it

Taffy (10)

Stett you are definitely overcooking

Taffy (19)

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 1107

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
6	Arctic	EnderWiggin (21), Lissa (28), Totally not Taffy (18), dyachei (13), nebjiamn (49), pzelda (31)
2	dyachei	Visor (26), didistetter (44)
1	EnderWiggin	waza (45)
1	Lissa	Arctic (48)
1	ladd	Maple (36)
2	Not Voting	annika (29), ladd (39)

[Maple]

arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit

everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh

[annika]

i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position

i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up

i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate

i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be

anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care

if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here

having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??

maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong

I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)

[Arctic]

having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??

maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong

I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)

i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)

you also ignored me on lissa

you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked

[annika]

i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)

you also ignored me on lissa

you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked

idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY

i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben

[ladd]

alrighty, started re reading the game

pg1 looks a villa fest lmao

ben lightly villagery for maybe silly reasons

curios what were these silly reasons? @Lissa

maple's entry sucks but probly not in an alignment indicative way which is a shame cause she probably coulda seized an easy town read if town by just being less potato. palpability such as in lissa's posting would have been neat to see. oh well.

to be clear i dont expect to change my read on benneh on this re read, its by far the strongest villa read i have and if he is not a villager i should just hang em up (he is a villager tho), but stuff like this are example of things a wolves doesnt say (iirc this is where my v read on benneh started)

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Maybe lol

I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be

She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up

Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.

This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well

So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped

Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her

Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol

villagery post, i checked back on sod and the timing lines up with waza thought process

my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

stett had such a weird start to the game (i expect to find out they are an obvious villager later in my read). like idk how throwing random villa reads is generating content and i am confused how lissa is your top v read unless you super value their "relief at randing v" post which like i think is fairly nai?


on pg.5. so far nothing really wolfy (besides taffy string of posts which i still hate but gonna leave alone)

[ladd]

waza is still too on the nose on the joke about rask being outed/a wolf to be w/w with them eheh (serious read, i think they'd be more self conscious about it and not be so heavy handed at least)


visor pushing a lot unpopular angles but i think i like it? all the stuff he has said so far i find plausible/believable

maybe

to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance

actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)

i buy this read

Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.

villagery thought #1

honestly i think they are both townie

everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...

who was that @Arctic


here is when artic/ender start posting. arctic gives a light w read on ender (idk their read seems fine tbh) and ender votes them



tbh i like ender post on pg.9/10

Sunbae can be my bae for now.

I almost think this is like, pockety?

like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake

Kinda dont like this lissa post..like if I squint I can see what they are saying but seems like a forced read to me

otoh their strong of posts after feels better

@nebjiamn

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how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup

what a weird question lmao

not gonna quote but pzelda continues making extremely intricate thoughts with a touch of paranoia that i dont think a wold would be able to fake and are out of zelda wolf range from my recollection of his meta anyway


pg. 11 and still dont feel strongly about anyone being a wolf uh oh

[Lissa]

curios what were these silly reasons? @Lissa

gotta be real I don't remember lmao.

I thumbed through the posting to try to jog my memory and I'm still not sure.

it MIGHT have had something to do with this post

also ftr your annika read is also premature but you already know all your reads are

if they were any good at the game ladd and visor would get in here and call you bronana and espouse the the reality of you being town while giving a read on a 3-word-posting bee and stett's intro

but c'est la vie and all

or it might've been more of like a general thing

one of those lol

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arctic trying to suggest that me + ben are the wolves is some wild stuff

i do not believe that he ever believes that