Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[pzelda]

tho i wanna say lissa/ender/artic are all not w/w with each other and there shouldddd be exactly 1 wolf in there

That's a pancake hottake and I like it.

[annika]

I'm beginning to think she shouldnt be

why?

[dyachei]

why?

Your posting is starting to feel less natural to me and some of the concerns you have had felt contrived

[pzelda]

Annika, my biggest concern about you is that you seem towny, because you might be a wolf basically townsiding. Just trying to have good reads and not being to be able to overlook the towny in posts of town players. That could have left you with very few options yesterday and could lead to dangerous bussing.

That's what's been in my head for the last two days or so. Is it legit? Dunno. Maybe you aren't a soul villa struggling to fabricate reads a scumread people as a wolf. It's just something I wanted to open.

Ladd, can I know your opinion?

[Totally not Taffy]

why?

I felt your back and forth with Arctic today was a bit pointless
like you had the conversation for the sake of having it, not bc it helped either of you solve (eachother or the game)

I am, admittedly, confbiased

Taffy (18)

[Maple]

We should probably leash maples invention

However if you give it to me @Maple I won’t ever vote you tomorrow

im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying

surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again

[didistetter]

why are we tracking arctic?

and ya second to not douse annika plz

im proposing not killing arctic, not having taffy kill arctic, and having visor track arctic so we can hard confirm him town.

if arctic IS a n2 redirect BG, then he can redirect all actions targetting visor to himself (shows as a visit to visor on a track) and we can just clear the kid instead of lunching a PR.

only problem would be if like mafia have a rb and slap it on arctic and kill visor/taffy which is possible so nvrmind lol

idk.

I kinda believe arctics posts ;-;

also like.... I'm not even really sure who could be wolf with him. he didn't need to claim pr today, and if he's a wolf claiming pr if he's like.... on a team with dya, seems useless to wolf wincon

he's clearly not with ender, taffy, or benneh
he's not with annika imo
maple had one sassy post towards him eod that felt sorta unpaired

and i dont really see how arctic PR claiming here, espec after the vanilla claim, is helpful to wincon.

IG the one point is like: he claimed PR after taffy said she had a douse on him, so could be a strat to just ensure a mislunch before taffy lights him up

but who's the other in that world?

i feel like im simultaneously overcooking and undercooking idfk

[Visor]

Maybe we should kill benneh or Lissa

[dyachei]

Maybe we should kill benneh or Lissa

I'd prefer lissa to Ben but I still think both of them are villagers

[annika]

Annika, my biggest concern about you is that you seem towny, because you might be a wolf basically townsiding. Just trying to have good reads and not being to be able to overlook the towny in posts of town players. That could have left you with very few options yesterday and could lead to dangerous bussing.

That's what's been in my head for the last two days or so. Is it legit? Dunno. Maybe you aren't a soul villa struggling to fabricate reads a scumread people as a wolf. It's just something I wanted to open.

Ladd, can I know your opinion?

:p

if it helps, I get called unnatural a lot as town; in my last game I got miskilled D2 while hardpushing two wolves. your concern about me being a townsiding wolf is also just not the case; I almost exclusively wolfside as a wolf, and I'd never lock myself into a Rask vote as a wolf when there were other options like Ladd/Arctic/Sunbae/Taffy that people were pedalling. defending both Sunbae and Taffy and constantly talking about how the wagons are wrong is just not something I do as a wolf

if you're looking explicitly for towntells besides where I've townsided, I'd say my D1 posts on Maple are prolly townie and a wolf might not have as much conviction/pushback as I had

anyway I still think you and Taffy are both town (like Taffy doesn't even seem 3P-y to me, although admittedly idk how I'd read for 3P LMAO)

[Visor]

I'd prefer lissa to Ben but I still think both of them are villagers

Then you think it's what, maple and arctic?

[Totally not Taffy]

Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo

Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to

Vote: Arctic

bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it

Taffy (10)

Stett you are definitely overcooking

Taffy (19)

[didistetter]

im too much of a pussy to kill ben while he's capped on d2.

If arccy is town, taffy dies, and benneh starts pushing a annika/ladd solve tomorrow ill yeet him into the sun D3 tho :3

plausible teams fmpov:
ender + 1 of dya/ladd/waza
benneh + pzelda
arctic + ???????? ladd??? idfk
maple + ladd/lissa/dya

guh

technically i think this should make me want to vote ladd

[didistetter]

i'm not going to scream if yall kill arctic but i'm not going to vote him b/c i think he's town.

Taffy pls pls pls pls pls do not douse annika regardless of arctic's flip. If he's v she's townsiding, and if he's w i think she pushes for maple harder d1.

I'm cooking dinner for mother's day so i won't be here bulk of eod but i'll try to pop in in case i really need to voteshift.

Vote: dyachei

[pzelda]

:p

if it helps, I get called unnatural a lot as town; in my last game I got miskilled D2 while hardpushing two wolves. your concern about me being a townsiding wolf is also just not the case; I almost exclusively wolfside as a wolf, and I'd never lock myself into a Rask vote as a wolf when there were other options like Ladd/Arctic/Sunbae/Taffy that people were pedalling. defending both Sunbae and Taffy and constantly talking about how the wagons are wrong is just not something I do as a wolf

if you're looking explicitly for towntells besides where I've townsided, I'd say my D1 posts on Maple are prolly townie and a wolf might not have as much conviction/pushback as I had

anyway I still think you and Taffy are both town (like Taffy doesn't even seem 3P-y to me, although admittedly idk how I'd read for 3P LMAO)

So, how would you describe your wolf game?

[annika]

I kinda believe arctics posts ;-;

lol yeah
at the very least if he's a wolf, he's done a good job making me doubt. there are a lot of little things he did that seemed town-ish like switch his vote from Ben to Lissa after our convo (where I said I was pretty sure it wasn't Ben but I was unsure on Lissa)

which is like pointless as a wolf because either way he's still dying, it just made me a hesitate a bit bc it seemed like he was still actively solving and really wanted to end on a wolf lmao

I don't. really know what to do about it tho. because I appreciate your plan to get Visor to track him but that requires the mafia to have no preventative measures. and like regardless of whether all the claims are real or not, I think wolves *prob* have something other than the bomb defuser

[annika]

So, how would you describe your wolf game?

I would describe it as like very vicious and agenda'd ig. I tend to have more scumreads as mafia lol

I used to have bad tone as a wolf too, but I've gotten better so it's about the same as when im town now

[Maple]

its a good thing i dont have a gun this game holy shit

[Visor]

its a good thing i dont have a gun this game holy shit

who are the wolves bronana

[Maple]

someone hold me back

[Lissa]

we are absolutely not killing ben what on earth lol

ftr the idea that i was purely/only making reads just on arctic spew last night is flat untrue, i talked a bunch about pzelda/ender totally independent of that

benneh is just town even if arctic somehow flips villager, and i find the idea of arctic actually thinking ben is a wolf pretty hard to believe, he is insanely obvious town

@ arctic re: not doing a ton earlier today, was just sort of a time/energy thing, and i didn't feel urgency yet to figure out where i wanted to go, plenty of time left in the day, pretty standard stuff. i think i was still pretty clearly thinking about the game, i also think that maple being the default elimination before claim stuff is a bit of an overstatement; that's not something i perceived to be the case to that degree, maybe i was off base. i actually think though that my mental picture of the game was pretty dang clear and it is flat out misrepresentative to say otherwise

[Maple]

who are the wolves bronana

im so tunneled on annika rn

reading arctic's posts today i can totally see him being a dumbass who doesnt actually read his role. i know gemma RCs are a bit much w/ flavour and very dif formatting to what he might be used to

doubt he's not not going over here, would rather hvae him get his action off and just ignite the dude like what possible role could he have that matters that much if the wolves have a doc i doubt they ALSO have kp so like why are we killing him rather than optimizing our KP?

i dont get that from ben, cause he talked about kp optimization but like waht could arctic possibly have thats so bad that we can clear out poe cause i HIGHLY doubt that taff gets a kill of this game *if she even is town*

honestly my take is that there's ANOTHER pr that hasnt outed yet, taff is 3p, arctic v

taff was aware of anticlaim because she's 3p, where as me arcitc sunbae arent

we got split protectives which ACTUALLY disrupt the bomb difuser and allow the 3p to get kills off (which is why i think taff's role makes more sense as 3p than not)

like benneh annika cant be the team for reasons listed unless theres bus incetivization baked into the stup which i doubt also rask would be getting subbed out so saving a 0 poster is actually pretty strong so like double bussing there sucks but grrrrrrrrrrr im so fucking tunneled on annika but the logical part of my brain is telling me it doesnt fully make sense.

so taking a step back, i think about it more. i think a team of one of them bussing + ender starts making sense, or maybe zelda because i think zelda's posts today are ALIEN and WEIRD

[Maple]

maybe this myserious 4th pr is someone getting arctic voted out idk but like logically if you excist as a 4th pr in this game, probably motion detector if i had to guess, you should realize that it logically makes more sense for taffy to be 3p than arctic to be fake? like this entire setup FEELS like its been built around the existence of the bomb arso

[Maple]

waza talking about leashing me (dont think it dont say it) is also a bit weird but idk how mechanically inclined he actually is

[Lissa]

So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.

i mean that's not what's wolfy about the claim lol

an odd night redirector literally flipped last night

i think taffy is a neutral a lot more than 1 out of 10 times tbh but it's not reaaally a productive discussion rn

no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends

this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role

which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look

not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple

your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao

but yeah I still think youre mafia

wait when was he top wagon?

i went and checked and he was never fully top wagon in the last few minutes of eod

i mean i pretty strongly believe that he is a wolf

but the thing about top wagon is just factually incorrect, he was tied for a VERY brief window between visor and your rask votes and iirc that window wasn't all that long? i miss second timestamps lol

[Maple]

bro everything arctic has said about me this game has been so dumb

[Maple]

vote: ladd

feels right

[Lissa]

I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off


Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours

can i just like not read am i losing my mind?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

vote: rask

(at this Exact point arctic was in a 3 way tie)

yeah. it's not Arctic though, he's not a wolf
vote: Raskolnikov

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 665

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Raskolnikov	Visor (51), annika (50), didistetter (50), nebjiamn (55)
3	Arctic	EnderWiggin (54), Lissa (50), Totally not Taffy (35)
3	Totally not Taffy	Arctic (49), ladd (34), waza (56)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (44)
1	annika	Maple (50)
1	Not Voting	Raskolnikov (0)

vote: raskolnikov

Vote: Maple

vote:raskolnikov

I'm confused about why we're talking like there was some kind of meaningfully long window where Arctic was top wagon.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 1107

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
6	Arctic	EnderWiggin (21), Lissa (28), Totally not Taffy (18), dyachei (13), nebjiamn (49), pzelda (31)
2	dyachei	Visor (26), didistetter (44)
1	EnderWiggin	waza (45)
1	Lissa	Arctic (48)
1	ladd	Maple (36)
2	Not Voting	annika (29), ladd (39)

[Maple]

arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit

everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh