Merry WinterLight-Festival! No Limits on PC madness?

[Fragony]

Interesting perspective;

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Dr. Theodore Dalrymple, a contributing editor to City Journal and the author of the collection of essays "Our Culture, What's Left of It: The Mandarins and the Masses" in an interview with Jamie Glazov for FrontPageMagazine.com published on Wednesday, August 31, 2005.

Excerpt at link

[Husar]

Are you suggesting we stick Christmas where the sun doesn't shine?

Why are you putting words into my mouth now? Why do you hate Christmas?
And no, I wasn't. I was saying we put it at a time where the sun is only lighting.

[Tribesman]

. I would also question the veracity of the source considering that the Mail frequently runs similar stories which turn out to be at best stretching the truth and at worst actual misinformation.

You mean like the big outrage they caused with comments made by two entertainers on radio which attracted two complaints to the BBC...that suddenly after a week of OMG articles in the mail containing stuff that hadn't actually been broadcast became a flood of 25,000+ miserable old gits complaining about something they hadn't even heard ?

So in this Christmas that ain't Christmas case perhaps we should see what the council has to say instead of what the mail says
http://www.oxford.gov.uk/news/news.c...nt/1/item/3065
Oh looky a link . so the winterlights festival is the festival where they turn on the lights on November 28th with bands , fireworks , speeches , a childrens parade and street entertainment .
Shocking isn't it

[CountArach]

Interesting perspective;

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small.

I click on this thread and this is what I see. Fragony - you never fail to amuse me. You are indeed the best satirist ever.

[Fragony]

I click on this thread and this is what I see. Fragony - you never fail to amuse me. You are indeed the best satirist ever.

Not my words but Theodore Dalrymple's, english psychiatrist who has studied the condition.

[Andres]

http://www.oxford.gov.uk/news/news.c...nt/1/item/3065

It seems like I have been misguided by the Daily Mail

There goes my rant about politicians occupying themselves with futilities

[Fragony]

And the rest of the british media if you google it.

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&sa...s+tree&spell=1

I guess city hall didn't expect this much commotion, better luck next year.

[Tribesman]

Don't worry Andres , as Banquo noted earlier in the topic we get theis subject every year .
It follows a well established pattern , it starts with a story , then comes loads of rants , then it comes that the story isn't really a story its more of pile of bollox , then the topic dies till next year .
Though at least this year we have had the oppertunity to laugh at Fragonys PC communist propoganda theories .With this line....

the less it corresponded to reality the better

...he sums up the nature of the content of much that he writes .

[LittleGrizzly]

It seems like I have been misguided by the Daily Mail

A good rule of thumb with the daily mail, if its pretty sensational.... its lies, if its on thier front page..... its lies, if its a big story that everyone else is covering then...... its at least half lies, if immigrants or pc are mentioned then they are usually making rubbish up..... think of the mail as an unfunny version of the onion...

[Fragony]

Though at least this year we have had the oppertunity to laugh at Fragonys PC communist propoganda theories .

Theodore Dalrymple's theory

[KukriKhan]

I draw everyone's attention to our new Backroom Rules Sticky, recently written by Banquo'sGhost.

I quote, in part:

Please respect copyright. All external sources should be given due attribution and a link provided to the original source. An article should not be posted in its entirety, but selections placed in indents, ex or spoiler tags and linked. Presenting original sources as your own is frowned on and you will be found out.

[Tribesman]

Nice link Frag , so you get your material from a fundamentalist website that got it from a con job website run by a conspiracy nut whose list of journalistic staff reads like a whos who of the friutcake club .

[Fragony]

Nice link Frag , so you get your material from a fundamentalist website that got it from a con job website run by a conspiracy nut whose list of journalistic staff reads like a whos who of the friutcake club .

What link didn't post any link must be the link you made yourself when it was me posting, the power of assumption must have taken over your senses tricking your mind into seeing things that aren't there, or did you really, actually, mean google?

[Tribesman]

What link didn't post any link must be the link you made yourself when it was me posting, the power of assumption must have taken over your senses tricking your mind into seeing things that aren't there

Ah it must have been Kukri that added the link to your post , I suppose he must have googled the most popular source of crap for your material
Really Kukri thats not very nice linking Frags piece to a loony tunes website

[KukriKhan]

I had help in finding the online version of that quote. It being a quote of a quote, of a quote, I also provided the original source ("Our Culture, What's Left of It: The Mandarins and the Masses") - all this to bring Mister Fragony's post into compliance with Backroom Rules.

Attribution. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

[Fragony]

Ah it must have been Kukri that added the link to your post , I suppose he must have googled the most popular source of crap for your material
Really Kukri thats not very nice linking Frags piece to a loony tunes website

Well I sure as hell didn't, never heard of these guys.

[LittleGrizzly]

kurki's link, on frags post doesn't work for me ?

[KukriKhan]

Well I sure as hell didn't, never heard of these guys.

If you had given due attribution, and a link, and set off your quote as a quote, as you are supposed to do so that readers didn't falsely believe that YOU wrote that material (even though I give you credit for 2 hours later, in a separate post, finally naming the actual author), we wouldn't have this confusion.

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This was supposed to be a brief, teachable moment on posting etiquette, that has instead derailed the thread. My apologies for my part in that.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Why are you putting words into my mouth now? Why do you hate Christmas?
And no, I wasn't. I was saying we put it at a time where the sun is only lighting.

Husar, dear chap, Louis wasn't putting words into your mouth but indulging in a brilliant bit of wordplay.

Are you suggesting we stick Christmas where the sun doesn't shine?

The sentence has the prickly meaning you first reacted to, but also means putting Christmas into winter - a season where the sun doesn't shine. Include the topic - Winterval versus Christmas, and you have a marvellously crafted double entendre.

If I had the mastery over French that Louis displays over English, I'd be a very happy man.

[Husar]

Thanks for the explanation Banquo.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Though I really was just trying to pretend to be offended "Why do you hate Christmas?" was supposed to be the giveaway.

[Incongruous]

Don't worry Andres , as Banquo noted earlier in the topic we get theis subject every year .
It follows a well established pattern , it starts with a story , then comes loads of rants , then it comes that the story isn't really a story its more of pile of bollox , then the topic dies till next year .
Though at least this year we have had the oppertunity to laugh at Fragonys PC communist propoganda theories .With this line.... ...he sums up the nature of the content of much that he writes .

Bugger, I feel used...

It was all getting so juicy too, what with Frag and his commies...

[Fragony]

It's the same discussion every year because it's held every year, they should just stop trying. Same here with our Sinterklaas and his black Piets, each year the same douchebags want to change the colors of the piets because it would be racist. If people don't want that discussion just quit and accept the reality that it's perfectly harmless.

[Idaho]

Daily Mail runs it's annual christianity under threat from PC thugs drivel and the usual suspects fall for it

Let me remind the Org that the Daily Mail did come out in support of Hitler, Franco and Mussolini at various stages. As well as being against the immigration of Jews from Europe in the 1930s. Nice eh?

[LittleGrizzly]

The daily mail is so convulted, sensationalist and racist, usually when they run a story it is best to assume it is all complete rubbish, occasionly you will be wrong, they have been known to correctly report football scores...

[BigTex]

Why should 'Winterlight Festival' be named 'Christmas'?

I say let the Christians celebrate Christmas in their Palestine homeland instead of imposing their immigrant values on us Celts and Germanics.

too true, wasn't christmas some pagan holiday first anyway, which got replaced with the christian one ?

Oxford is just looking ahead to the atheist future and renaming the holiday to suit....

Not that i really care either way to be honest, it doesn't make a bloody bit of difference what some town council calls it, why not just call it xmas though ?

Infact why the need to call it anything ? it is obvious the lights are being put up for the christmas period...

You would be correct, it's the birthday of our dear Lord Mithra. That whole cutting down a tree and shuving it in your house is just evil german propaganda though. Go find a young fair skinned virgin and celebrate our dear Deux Sol Invictus.

HAPPY MITHRA'S DAY .ORG

[English assassin]

What would be wrong with celebrating Divali and Hannukah anyway? We'd get a great big fireworks party with loads of hot asian babes and...err...some candles... umm..

Well, maybe not Hannukah then. Anyone know if the Sikhs have any good festivals we can get in on?

Multiculturalism: its about the parties.

[Tribesman]

Come on people , why is no one posting the Mails latest "its Political Correctness gone mad" story ?
Its a real stunner .
Apparently a British council has banned its staff from calling people British because it might be offensive
Shocking stuff eh .

[Gregoshi]

Come on people , why is no one posting the Mails latest "its Political Correctness gone mad" story ?
...Shocking stuff eh .

Not really. "Shocking" would better describe my reaction had you provided a link to said story Tribesman.

[Lemur]

I'm getting nostalgic for the annual "War on Christmas" hysteria here in the U.S.A. What happened to that? Why did people stop hyperventilating about how the liburalz and teh gayzorz were going to make Jesus' birthday illegal? Didn't Bill O'Reilly spend a few years screaming about this?

What happened?

[Gregoshi]

Wait 'til after Thanksgiving Lemur! Geez, you are as bad as the stores are - trying to foist Christmas upon us the day after Halloween (or earlier). There will be plenty of time to surpress Christmas after the turkey feast (and TNT's 24 hour How the Grinch Stole Christmas marathon).