OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Zim]

That's the plan. Now to figure out what exactly I'm going to do with him.

YAY ZIM IS BACKKKKKK! ZIM! WHOOT!

So, will you be playing Father Bastard now?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That's the plan. Now to figure out what exactly I'm going to do with him.

You can join the Order. Well, he is Father Bastard anyway

[ULC]

You can join the Order. Well, he is Father Bastard anyway

No, he can join Ilios Korakas! Or most likely Asteri. I mean, Ioannis has to pass down the House leadership to someone. Will it be his son in law or his illegitimate, ordained, prolific and most likely soon to be debauched, drunk and devout son?

[rossahh]

Or it could be me. Then I could own 6 provinces!

[ULC]

Or it could be me. Then I could own 6 provinces!

Are you sure your character isn't Milanese or Venetian? You seem to have an obsession with collect wealth and land

[rossahh]

Given that the Byzantines were a continuation of the Roman Empire, why wouldn't we be obsessed with money and all that jazz?

[ULC]

And yet we seem keen on pointing out how money grubbing those Milanese are
Anyway, at this rate rossah, your likely to be House Asteri.



As in the only member

[ULC]

I'd like to point out that to the Megas to ignore the Kosmopolis part in Tristan's SOT. According to the House charter, it actually belongs to me, since he sacked the city.

[rossahh]

Now who's getting greedy?

[ULC]

Yeah, but at least me greed is part of the House Charter
Your just lucky is all.

[rossahh]

Or maybe just totally evil? Somehow all of those people were killed in winnable battles.

[ULC]

Hmmm...if the curse of Asteri sticks...rossah, I challenge you! Your 1500 to my 1!

[TinCow]

I'd like to point out that to the Megas to ignore the Kosmopolis part in Tristan's SOT. According to the House charter, it actually belongs to me, since he sacked the city.

House 'Charters' are not part of the rules in any way. Province can only be transferred in one of the methods provided by the rules, regardless of what your House Charter says. If someone has violated your House Charter, it is up to you to enforce the penalties for that violation.

[rossahh]

If you were dragged into a civil war and wanted to remain neutral but preserve the feudal chain, could you not break your oath with the consent of your lord and then reswear immediately to the same lord?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

A little loophole?

[Ituralde]

If you were dragged into a civil war and wanted to remain neutral but preserve the feudal chain, could you not break your oath with the consent of your lord and then reswear immediately to the same lord?

Of course you could, but then I don't see what exactly is gained by this?
And if someone really doesn't like the practice, he can just declare war directly on the person that declared neutrality and then reswore immediatelly.

[TinCow]

Yep, not exactly a loophole because the other side can just declare war on the person who 'fled.' Plus, how many Lords are going to actually like their vassals abandoning them during a Civil War?

[AussieGiant]

As soon as I saw the concept you can imagine what I thought about that using an IC situation.

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Vassel to Duke Arnold in KotR;

"My Lord, I'm just going to drop my oath to you because I do not want to participate in the civil war you have going on at the moment. Once that is done, I'll re-swear to you right afterwards so I can enjoy the benefits of rank and privilege that I certainly don't want to lose. Any problems with that my lord? None...excellent, I thought you'd agree."

Arnold:

"And exactly how do you like you gut's strewn about?

Would you like a necklace, earring perhaps, maybe a crown...ah I know, a garter, very sexy, I'll have that arrange in a jiffy."

[TinCow]

I'd like to point out that to the Megas to ignore the Kosmopolis part in Tristan's SOT. According to the House charter, it actually belongs to me, since he sacked the city.

House 'Charters' are not part of the rules in any way. Province can only be transferred in one of the methods provided by the rules, regardless of what your House Charter says. If someone has violated your House Charter, it is up to you to enforce the penalties for that violation.

There has been some confusion regarding the above. After a brief inquiry, this is the full situation:

Methodios Tagaris captured Mecca. At the time, he was a sworn vassal of Nikolaos Aristenos. The Civil War was already in effect at that point. Thus, via the usual rank powers over vassals, Nikolaos Aristenos gained control of Mecca the instant it was captured. The Civil War does not have anything to do with this situation, as Methodios Tagaris and Nikolaos Aristenos were not at war with each other and Mecca was owned by the AI. Thus, Mecca (or whatever it is called now) belongs, and has always belonged, to Nikolaos Aristenos.

Apologies for any confusion due to any statements I may have made before that conflict with this. To be clear, the only situations in which conquered provinces will not go directly to a Lord are the following:

1) When captured from another player in a Civil War (and even then, it is up to the umpire to figure out who gets it)
2) In-game event which specifies that the normal rules do not apply (i.e. Crusade event)

If you don't want your Lord to own the province you're about to conquer, then you should break your oath to him first.

[ULC]

Wow, thank you TC

I had utterly forgotten about the power as being a Lord of another noble.

[Ignoramus]

Sorry for my inactivity of late, guys. I still haven't fixed up my installation of MTW2. I'm going to plough straight back into the game and get it installed properly.

Also, I'd like to nominate Pavlos Chrysovergos to attend the council.

[AussieGiant]

I'll update the thread.

[_Tristan_]

By the way, AG, Nicosia is in Cyprus not Crete... The summit should be called Heraklion or Nevoulion, rather...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Lol, does Ioannis going to visit Makedonios as well?? He is in Nikosia after all!

[AussieGiant]

By the way, AG, Nicosia is in Cyprus not Crete... The summit should be called Heraklion or Nevoulion, rather...

Jesus with all the bloody name changing I have no idea what the hell is going on.

No one is in Nicosia right now, while Lazy ass is in Nevoulion. I thoguht it best to have it somewhere where this is no other avatar present.

If this is an issue I'll change the names to suit.

[ULC]

Jesus with all the bloody name changing I have no idea what the hell is going on.

No one is in Nicosia right now, while Lazy ass is in Nevoulion. I thought it best to have it somewhere where this is no other avatar present.

If this is an issue I'll change the names to suit.

I am sure that if Flyd where around, I'm sure he could prove otherwise

[Ituralde]

Also with the rogue Sicilians roaming around on Crete and an unresolved Civil War between Isaakios Komnenos and Theo Petzeas, Cyprus is by far the better choice to hold this meeting. Although being on territory controlled by the Order of St. John is not exactly neutral.

Just throwing information around here. I really don't care where the meeting is held as long as it is held!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Let Ioannis come to Cyprus, let him come! Though he might not leave from there!

[AussieGiant]

Ok so we are doing it on Nicosia. There is no one there, plus only a regiment of peasants are on the island. For all intense and purposes you can all assume there is the equivalent of a full stack of Varangian's now garrisoned.

[Rowan]

Although being on territory controlled by the Order of St. John is not exactly neutral.

What do you mean we are not neutral! We went to bloody war to remain neutral! S' not our fault the current Basileus is about as arrogant and more impulsive than a herd of bulls on crack!