The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

Yet, you voted for me I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and ATPG accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat and if anyone is guilty it's the guys who came close last round I would think.....I mean for day one I just made one comment and two guys voted for different reasons..

[Askthepizzaguy]

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat

That's entirely plausible. I hadn't considered Phill was out to get you, though. There's way too many people in this game and it's hard to keep track of things. I'll give it some thought and review it, but it's too late for me to do it tonight.

[seireikhaan]

Yet, you voted for me I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and pizzaguy accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat

I was pointing out pizzaguy was piggybacking off of other's reasoning without even explaining what they were. But ya, I do find it annoying to find someone voting for me just because they thought I was confusing things, when I wasn't really posting much anyways, and besides, my posts were short anyways. So, on the contrary, I'd say its you who was looking for a scapegoat.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

[Reenk Roink]

Ok, Aries777777, where are you buddy? You didn't vote last round, and I could not find another suitable man to follow so I didn't vote last round (though I participated but our captain says it is not enough; he must follow that silly "Vote or Die" slogan ).

Early on you were active with your jokes and your votes, but now you're gone and I'm not laughing or guided, and it's becoming terribly hard to play in my new way. I may have to vote for you in the future.

Because I am not kept satisfied by such good humor, I took some time out to be 'analytical' today in the hopes that maybe I could be helpful to us crewmembers.

First, I am shocked that Sigurd Fafnesbane was lynched this early for a pretty weak reason, even by common townie standards. An incredibly stupid thing to do if I may criticize the crew.

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The history of Mafia has seen a lot of great people (many of the new ones I don't know so much about either), some almost legendary; but Siggy Fafnessie is by far the most complete player. I consider him to be one of the best hosts and one of the best townies, as well is the best Mafia ever.

By lynching him, especially this early, Sigurd's alignment is unknown. You can imagine the epistemic problems this brings when he will attempt to posthumously 'help' the town...

What would have been wiser was to let the Mafia kill him off, at least making it much more plausible that Sigurd was innocent or in a non-Mafia role. Then he could help us and we could trust him.

And had Sigurd remained alive by the end stages of the game, you could be sure that I would be on him hard for it. Sigurd has screwed the town and myself personally over brilliantly twice before in endgame, and one of my personal goals is to foil him.

What we did to Sigurd is the worst thing to do concerning him.

Secondly, I'm saddened though not surprised at how dogmatically people draw conclusions about the Mafia from scant evidence such as write ups or non killing behavior. They really prove nothing, and I would never make conclusions about the number of Mafia or how they operate from them personally.

Lastly, and I held off on doing this for a bit because I respect Seamus Fermanagh a ton, but I would be somewhat inclined to view him suspiciously since the get go.

Read this:

Er... the one person whose behavior really sets off my alarms at this point, and who I'd like an explanation from, is Seamus Fermanagh.

Why is this? Originally it was because mathematically, he's registered a definite behavior change from past games. He posts less and his posts are generally shorter. This doesn't mean much, but it was enough to get my attention and make me look into the content of his posts.

What I've seen there looks innocuous on the surface - as in past games, he's posted voting records and some commentary on them. We know him well enough by now that it's obligatory that he do this - I'm confident he would do it whether he was a mafioso or not.

But something's a bit off. The commentary this time is much lighter, not very focused, and lacking the insightful confidence that was there in previous games.

I think Seamus is doing what he did in that game. He is propping up the same framework so as to not blatantly show a change in behavior, but at the same time, it is also more shallow which, according to popular townie thought, is an indicator of trying to fly under the radar, which, again according to popular townie though, is a telltale mark of Mafia.

Now, I must add that I am probably one of the strongest opponents of using changes in behavior or semi-lurking as indicators of Mafia, because of the fact that it is such a poorly grounded theoretical framework (yes it has worked before, but I look for an epistemic and not pragmatic justification and you would think Mafia would caught on by now).

So by no means does this damn Seamus or anything close to it. Unlike Kommodus, I will not endorse voting for people based on the above-mentioned methodology for the above-mentioned reasons.

I do caution you to deal with Seamus with some trepidation though. Something about him is just not right (actually, that is MY personal reason for my suspicion, and I gave the evidence that usual townies accept so that YOU would also consider it).

No hard feelings buddy, as I said my personal stance makes me very critical of this method of suspicion in the first place. However, since everyone else is grasping at imaginary threads, I would like to point out a particularly big and fat imaginary thread. You are a great player and were it not for my close knowledge of your ways from earlier times, I wouldn't have caught this.

I will for now vote: Chaotix27 because Seamus is a good man as any to follow, and again, he is suspicious by the common methodologies gauge (BUT SO IS SEAMUS BY THE SAME METHODOLOGY).

Hope some of this helped. At the very least, I hope it was interesting in some way that makes the game more fun, which is the main reason to play.

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P.S: This definitely isn't going to be a habit by the way

A Vote Tally (cause none of you do it anyway ):

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good)
seireikhaan: 1 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

Edit: There is no way that Chaotix27 could be Mafia, unless he really doesn't care about getting lynched (such apathy would be legendary and quite ballsy for Mafia ). Voting will be closed in an hour or so

Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27).

New Vote Tally:

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink)
seireikhaan: 2 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27)

You didn't add a new post, you edited your post to change your vote. Did you think people wouldn't notice? It seems to me you didn't want people to know who you were voting for, if they had already read your post, they would have missed the fact that you changed it.

Such a move is not on the level, and you've just gone to the top of my list. Explain yourself, please.

[Twilightblade]

Pizzaguy your posting alot again
Unvote:pevergreen
Vote:pizzaguy

Edit: why did you stop for a while?

[pevergreen]

Stop editing posts with votes in them, aren't they not counted anymore?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy your posting alot again
Unvote:pevergreen
Vote:pizzaguy

Edit: why did you stop for a while?

1. I am trying to do a quiz for my humanities class.
2. I posted plenty already, voted, and found my next suspects.
3. Now you're telling me I should keep posting (wtf?)
4. "Posting a lot" is your reason for voting for me.
5. You rarely ever post and your activities are hidden because you're on invisible.

That being said, I already have my suspects, and I do have a quiz that's due by 11:55 tonight. My vote stands.

[Reenk Roink]

You didn't add a new post, you edited your post to change your vote. Did you think people wouldn't notice? It seems to me you didn't want people to know who you were voting for, if they had already read your post, they would have missed the fact that you changed it.

Such a move is not on the level, and you've just gone to the top of my list. Explain yourself, please.

lol!

Do I even need to explain myself? No, probably not. But I will because it's fun.

I edited my post, clearly noting that I edited my post both in the post itself and in the little edit bar.

I left the original vote in it's original context and even the original tally in it's original context.

Normally, given your transgression towards me, plus some of the (weak certainly) evidence put forth against you, I would feel very happy with my vote to kill you, an annoyance and possibly Mafia.

But I also like to toy with you. If I spare you tonight, and revote Chaotix27, you will probably just get lynched next round so no biggie. You on the other hand, will have to endure the dreaded wait.

Your life and death are at my hand Askthepizzaguy. I can actually make a vote count!

I will make my decision soon, but I want to know, will you beg?

This is a test for you....

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to shoot myself in the foot for this but......Unvote:Khann Vote:Chaotix Reenk Roink sudden change in vote has me worried....

[White_eyes:D]

lol!

Do I even need to explain myself? No, probably not. But I will because it's fun.

I edited my post, clearly noting that I edited my post both in the post itself and in the little edit bar.

I left the original vote in it's original context and even the original tally in it's original context.

Normally, given your transgression towards me, plus some of the (weak certainly) evidence put forth against you, I would feel very happy with my vote to kill you, an annoyance and possibly Mafia.

But I also like to toy with you. If I spare you tonight, and revote Chaotix27, you will probably just get lynched next round so no biggie. You on the other hand, will have to endure the dreaded wait.

Your life and death are at my hand Askthepizzaguy. I can actually make a vote count!

I will make my decision soon, but I want to know, will you beg?

This is a test for you....

Your Crazy like the Joker...... "Why aren't you smiling?"

[Crazed Rabbit]

DO NOT EDIT VOTES INTO POSTS



CR

[White_eyes:D]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

Pizza guy it is...and Khaan you and pizzaguy are the top suspects in my mind....reason? you guys went at each right at the start and I get the feeling your trying to avoid lynching each other....
in case you guys forgot check this out....

There is a tie!
Between Makaikhaan and Rythmic!

Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)

If Pizzaguy's argument holds any weight then it must be Khann as if you check in each area of Pizzaguy's bolded 'Come close to Cyro sleep stuff' Khann either Voted for or was voted in each bolded area...

[pevergreen]

I do believe I heard Andres leaving early...He was in my area.

Normally we take a walk at night if one of us can't sleep. Buddies do that for each other.

I believe the next people to be 'freezed' should be: Khaan, Guy with Pizzas and then Seamus.

Vote: Khaan

Say, can someone give me the room number of that Mith guy? I've got something I'd like to show him.