Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
They say that we have won/are winning Iraq because it is true. It has been costly, but we have won/are winning.
TSM:

Tribes' thesis on Iraq is that any success we have is ephemeral at best. He believes that we are only holding a lid on it, and that 30 days or less after we leave it will become a 4+ way civil war. He believes this to be the case whether we stay there for a century or 20 minutes.

Sadly, I think he may be correct.