BNP Membership List Leaked

[JR-]

I see this as a choice between two evils

evil number 1, we remove people from public service because of thier political views

evil number 2, we allow bnp members to remain in the police force and potentially have hundreds of individual cases of non whites being unfairy prosecuted and more harshly prosecuted by a force that is supposed to treat them eqaully regardless of colour

and i am of the opinion that evil number 2 is the worse evil, these people can get other jobs, but a non white resident of the uk doesn't have a choice but to deal with a racist police officer

it is already totally unpermissable for a police officer to act in way other than professianally with due reference to the laws of the land and their code of conduct.

what does banning all BNP members add, against what it subtracts, i.e. discrimation for membership of a legal British political party?

[edit] agreed with Rory and IA [/edit]

[Tribesman]

You are also managing to jump to the assumption that all are dyed in teh wool racists

Good point , perhaps they joined a group that is racist because they are not racists .
So lets see how do you join such a party ?
Do you go to their website and read their policies of foriegners foriegners foriegners foriegners and decide to fill out the form to join ? maybe you go to one of their meetings and hear them talk about foriegners foriegners foriegners foriegners and join up there , hey maybe some could even go to Griffins red white and blue festival of patriotism and after hearing all the speeches about the white race and watching the headline band singing Combat 18 is calling you you might decide to sign up there as it don't seem much like the party consists of a bunch of racist nutjobs does it and anyone would be glad to join such a nice group .

[LittleGrizzly]

it is already totally unpermissable for a police officer to act in way other than professianally with due reference to the laws of the land and their code of conduct.

people don't follow rules when it doesn't suit them, i can't believe this point is even an argument ?

Its completely illegal for me to buy and smoke weed... yet i do daily, so maybe we should be on the look out for rule breakers ?

police have alot of personal say in who gets charged with what, i now from personal experience from 3 times police caught me with weed

1. given a caution

2. fingerprinted and photographed and a caution

3. nothing, even kept the weed

so we now know that coppers don't follow the rules always, and that thier personal say can make a huge difference to the outcome of a situation, im just very lucky im not a minority and the officer that caught me wasn't bnp...

also its not complete fantasy to suggest police would plant evidence and lie, especially if they hate the people thier setting up as much as the BNP do, hell if i though minoritys were the downfall of society and i was a police officer i probably would be harsher on them...

[Fragony]

Oh give it a rest, Frags. It's getting boring.

As relevant as ever, especially now that the multicult has spread out and is starting to effect vital organs such as the police, so it has come to that ideological cleaning in the land of fear and desire.

[JR-]

it is already totally unpermissable for a police officer to act in way other than professianally with due reference to the laws of the land and their code of conduct.

people don't follow rules when it doesn't suit them, i can't believe this point is even an argument ?

rory gave you lots of good examples of where an obsession with attempting to legislate away 'evil' will get you. it doesn't work and it isn't the answer.

we don't believe in arbitrary discrimination, and what they are doing isn't illegal, however stupid i might believe them to be.

[LittleGrizzly]

rory gave you lots of good examples of where an obsession with attempting to legislate away 'evil' will get you. it doesn't work and it isn't the answer.

and i clearly showed they were false examples!

as stated... if an atheist was part of a christian hating group which had leaders chanting kills the christians and i wouldn't want these guys in any kind of power either

basically if you are part of an organisation that actively discriminates against and has leaders that call for the death of any groups of people they cannot be allowed to potenially be in a position of power over that group...

How would you like it if you were being attacking by a white hating muslim and hook (forgotten his name) came along as the police officer to settle the dispute, you would have no problem with this i assume ? as of course the man is perfectly entitled to his political views, who are we to deny him a job as a police officer simply because he would give preferenntail treatment to certain groups ?

Or are we only allowed officers that discriminate in favour of whites ?

especially now that the multicult has spread out and is starting to effect vital organs such as the police

It seems multicult means removing racists from power ?

in that case then yes mutlicult will march on and leave no hiding place for those who would try to use thier powerful positions to negatively affect minoritys, racists have had thier day where they could discriminate freely now they shall be removed from any position with power, anyone who actively hates and calls for the deaths of minoritys in the uk doesn't deserve to be even near any real power, let alone walking the street with a badge using the powers we the people have invested in him to further his own heinous minority hating agenda

[rory_20_uk]

Good point , perhaps they joined a group that is racist because they are not racists .
So lets see how do you join such a party ?
Do you go to their website and read their policies of foriegners foriegners foriegners foriegners and decide to fill out the form to join ? maybe you go to one of their meetings and hear them talk about foriegners foriegners foriegners foriegners and join up there , hey maybe some could even go to Griffins red white and blue festival of patriotism and after hearing all the speeches about the white race and watching the headline band singing Combat 18 is calling you you might decide to sign up there as it don't seem much like the party consists of a bunch of racist nutjobs does it and anyone would be glad to join such a nice group .

You are a clever person. Perhaps you don't meet the lazy, ignorant morons that is called the general public.

More likely they're pissed off about having to work and someone gives you the sop that it's someone else's fault.
Others are not keen on immigration - some are second generation immigrants themselves.
You have a friend or friends who are members


Odd that if you slash tyres / attack people / break the law we hear rehabilitation / society's fault. Get on a list on the internet? You're fired, scum.

[Thermal]

body language is such a brilliant thing, you no the biggest sign of lieing is when you put your finger under your nose and i see politicians do it ALL the time, there all nitwits, and i think BNP is probably the best party if any because at least they propose to help are country and keep it united, no matter how controversial they are

[rory_20_uk]

How would you like it if you were being attacking by a white hating muslim and hook (forgotten his name) came along as the police officer to settle the dispute, you would have no problem with this i assume ? as of course the man is perfectly entitled to his political views, who are we to deny him a job as a police officer simply because he would give preferenntail treatment to certain groups?

I assume you've managed to ignore the point that he's breaking several laws.

His beliefs aren't important - his actions are.
If hook acted in an appropriate manner then fine I don't care what he might think deep down.

As InsaneApache stated, you do your job. If you don't do that then you get sacked.

You appear to be acting in pre-emptive "self defence" - as the police can't be trusted, rather than address this sack all of them that are viewed as bieng unsuitable which basically means being on the BNP list of names which is of course far more exhaustive a check than a CRB or the independent complaints board....

I assume you think I should be sacked as a Doctor based on many of my views I've shared here? I bet if we met at work you'd have no idea as that's my job and I express the views I'm paid to.

[Fragony]

body language is such a brilliant thing, you no the biggest sign of lieing is when you put your finger under your nose and i see politicians do it ALL the time, there all nitwits, and i think BNP is probably the best party if any because at least they propose to help are country and keep it united, no matter how controversial they are

Well they are scum, but the english police shows that a certain englishman was correct when he said the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists

It seems multicult means removing racists from power ?

No such thing as law anymore, no parlement, no opposition, no constitution if the BNP is elected they are bound by the same rules they wouldn't be 'in power'. But that will never happen, but a vote for the BNP might shift the middle somewhat more to the right that is why I would vote for them if I was english. Vote for Wilders for the same reason.

[Rhyfelwyr]

body language is such a brilliant thing, you no the biggest sign of lieing is when you put your finger under your nose and i see politicians do it ALL the time, there all nitwits, and i think BNP is probably the best party if any because at least they propose to help are country and keep it united, no matter how controversial they are

The BNP may have some moderate members who are little more than Tories with populist leanings, however the nutballs in that party need to be kept from office (by the voters, not a government persecuting them based on party-affiliation).

Still, disillusionment with the mainstream parties, who are if we are honest may as well be one near-right party, will only fuel support for groups such as the BNP.

However, so long as the BNP a political party, I do not see how citizens can be persecuted for associating with them. Once we go down that road, where do you draw the line?

[Strike For The South]

Those dissenters must be crushed!!!!!!! How dare they have an unpopular opinion! How ignorant! The country will be better when this lot is gone I'll tell you that much.

[JAG]

Being a member of the BNP should absolutely mean getting the sack from jobs such as teaching and policing.

Do we allow pedophiles to teach in schools? No.. So there is already discrimination and a vetting process to it.

Do we allow convicted murderers to join the police force? No.. So there is already discrimination and vetting.

The BNP is not a political party such as the Labour or Tory party because by its own declarations if gaining power it would dismantle the system in which political parties operate. Calling Fascists, who are members of a party which wants to be the head of a dictatorial Nazi style state, a political party like any other is not only disingenious but idiotic and moreover - ignorantly dangerous.

So having said this, these people do not deserve the same rights of privacy in terms of it being a political party. Just like I wouldn't think it appropriate for an Islamic extremist to teach in a school of impressionable minds and mixed races, I dont think it is approriate for a fascist.

Call me naive, but I simply do not believe that a member of the BNP would put the same kind of effort in trying to teach a child of an immigrant who might struggle with English, as a white working class kid from 'pure' stock. Nor do I believe they would put the same effort when being called to help an immigrant facing problems. Simple as that. And actually I think those who believe this to be wrong are the naive ones, not the other way around.

As InsaneApache stated, you do your job. If you don't do that then you get sacked.

Absolute nonesense. We do NOT use this approach in a whole manner of areas, Apart from the ones I have already outlined - pedophiles in schools and murderers in the police force - there are literally hundreds of other examples where a line is drawn, and if you are on the wrong side you can't be a member of that profession. The police force don't allow people with asthma to join for instance... You may say that being simply a member of the BNP is not the same as a pedophile or murderer, because they have actually done a horrendus act - but my friend, joining the BNP itself is such an act.

I believe in human rights and traditional individual liberty more than anyone I know, but this is false liberty and false rights. Complete rubbish.

[Fragony]

I get the feeling that I am breathing in a plastic sack

edit, ok so we have just established that the BNP is a criminal organisation, what are the charges, some lynching I missed? Could be as the happen so frequently can't have them all. But there really aren't any charges are there you just don't like the idea.

[Strike For The South]

Comparing the BNP to murders, pedophiles, and rapists?. I find it odd JAG that you would support this. I mean it not like all the racists bigots and sexists are part of the BNP or are they? You are denying people something because of there political leanings!

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's the old conundrum of tolerating the intolerant. If you tolerate them, they stomp all over you (or in this case just some folk they see as racially inferior) and will end tolerance of any form. But if you don't tolerate them, well then you're defeating your own purpose.

While a paedophile is beyond doubt a sexual offender, we cannot similarly label members of the BNP as racist, or perhaps more specifically lawbreakers, in that we would accuse them of breaking the laws of the land in order to pursue their own beliefs. If we prove this in individual cases, then obviously that individual must be disciplined. But until we can, any punishment would be unjustified and basically political persecution.

[InsaneApache]

Try this then.

Do you think that racist politicians should be removed from office?

If you do, then perhaps we should start with one who was unelected by anybody and bangs on about 'Britishness' (whatever that is), not to mention repeatedly chanting the slogan 'British jobs for British workers'.

Tell me that's not racist, 'cos it is.

[drone]

Do we allow pedophiles to teach in schools? No.. So there is already discrimination and a vetting process to it.

Do we allow convicted murderers to join the police force? No.. So there is already discrimination and vetting.

Pedos aren't allowed to teach, and murderers can't be on the police force due to their actions AND subsequent trials by the justice system. Thoughtcrime, for the win, I guess.

InsaneApache is right. Who let all this riff-raff into the room?

[JAG]

Try this then.

Do you think that racist politicians should be removed from office?

If you do, then perhaps we should start with one who was unelected by anybody and bangs on about 'Britishness' (whatever that is), not to mention repeatedly chanting the slogan 'British jobs for British workers'.

Tell me that's not racist, 'cos it is.

Not racist, you would have a slightly better argument if you said xenophobic, but then again we both know that is rubbish. Plus British jobs for British workers - though I disagree with the sentiment and the postering - coming from the British Prime Minister ... Is not a terrible thing, surely? You would prefere if he said British jobs for American workers? And trying to label Gordon Brown racist, is like trying to label Thatcher a socialist. Just absurd.

And for all of you stating how it is 'thought police', it CANNOT be 'thought police' when you are judging and taking action against someone because they have JOINED an organisation. They have actually acted upon their thoughts and I don't care if people don't think members of the BNP are not racist, because they are - to be quite frank, if you think otherwise you are deluded. It is a facist, Nazi worshipping, anti democracy organisation and I do not think fascists should be appeased.

Joining a political party is an action it is a choice, just like a pedophile molesting a child and a murderer killing someone, a choice. No difference. For that choice, that action, you get judged and it means that you are not allowed to follow certain career paths, simple as that. If you want to be a policeman, it is quite simple - don't join the BNP. They know the rules, they break them they deserve to be sacked.

Comparing the BNP to murders, pedophiles, and rapists?.

I wasn't. It was an indirect comparison, if you read what I said. The fact you posted this comment shows you didn't read what I said.

I mean it not like all the racists bigots and sexists are part of the BNP or are they? You are denying people something because of there political leanings!

No not all racists, bigots and sexists are members of the BNP, but do we let convicted pedophiles teach in schools because we havent caught all the pedophiles in the UK? It doesn't matter that there are fascists who are not members of the BNP or any known organisation, it doesn't mean we should allow those we DO know are fascists teach in schools and police our nation.

Plus I am sick of people saying 'you are denying them because of their political opinions!!!!!', RUBBISH. THEY are denying themselves the opportunity to work in schools and police the streets becuase of their bigoted fascist views. I don't MAKE them become fascists, THEY make themselves become fascists and THEY should take responsibility for their actions, not me.

[Strike For The South]

Plus I am sick of people saying 'you are denying them because of their political opinions!!!!!', RUBBISH. THEY are denying themselves the opportunity to work in schools and police the streets becuase of their bigoted fascist views. I don't MAKE them become communists, THEY make themselves become Communists and THEY should take responsibility for their actions, not me.

agreed

[atheotes]

Murderers and pedophiles have committed crimes... being a member of BNP is not a crime ... therein lies the distinction... if you can get the government to outlaw BNP then membership of BNP is probably enough to sack someone from a job... otherwise it is not democratic...

I do not condone racism... I too hate racists but unless they act it out they are not breaking the law and cannot be prosecuted for simply holding a belief.... no?

oops...so many people have made the same point....i am too slow...being at and work and all...

[JAG]

Yep, those terrible ideals of equality, social justice and respect for all humans could really harm children and poison their minds as well as lead to ignorant and terrible police officiers.

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[Strike For The South]

Yep, those terrible ideals of equality, social justice and respect for all humans could really harm children and poison their minds as well as lead to ignorant and terrible police officiers.

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A hatred for the upper class? A hatred for people who make more money? An entitlement mindset?

Yes and teaching children to be proud of Britain and being scared of what unregulated immigration can do is so much

Anything can be spun cowboy. Police officers make assumptions everytime you see some one

[drone]

Joining a political party is an action it is a choice, just like a pedophile molesting a child and a murderer killing someone, a choice. No difference.

But is joining a political party an illegal action?

For that choice, that action, you get judged and it means that you are not allowed to follow certain career paths, simple as that. If you want to be a policeman, it is quite simple - don't join the BNP. They know the rules, they break them they deserve to be sacked.

Will they get judged? Will each police officer whose name appears on this list be properly sent in front of a court and judged fairly, or will some administrator just can them?

[JAG]

Murderers and pedophiles have committed crimes... being a member of BNP is not a crime ... therein lies the distinction... if you can get the government to outlaw BNP then membership of BNP is probably enough to sack someone from a job... otherwise it is not democratic...

I do not condone racism... I too hate racists but unless they act it out they are not breaking the law and cannot be prosecuted for simply holding a belief.... no?

The fact it is not a crime - and it shouldn't be - does not mean that the views I have put across are not valid. Is not having a driving liscence a crime? ... No. But unless you have one you can't be a trucker. Is having shares in multiple big business' a crime? No... But if the President of the US or any other world leader did, they would not be able to keep their job. It is downright idiotic to think that being a member of the BNP is a special case, it is exactly the same. Being a member of the Labour party, I can't do any jobs in the Tory party, do I cry foul? No, I realise that my action of joining the labour party CLEARLY means that that avenue for me is closed, just like BNP members should realise that being a member of the BNP closes off avenues for them. If they make the choice, they face the consequences - if they don't liek the consequences DONT MAKE THE CHOICE. Simple as that, take some damn responsibility and stop hiding behind well intentioned, stupid people and liberties they don't even believe in and clearly don't understand.

[JAG]

A hatred for the upper class? A hatred for people who make more money? An entitlement mindset?

Yes and teaching children to be proud of Britain and being scared of what unregulated immigration can do is so much

Anything can be spun cowboy. Police officers make assumptions everytime you see some one

You don't know any communists / socialists do you and clearly don't know any BNP people.

[caravel]

Freedom of speech is essential and the more the BNP are forced underground the worse they will get. Sacking those people will martyr them and gain more publicity and support for the BNP. Sacking them would also be a typically cynical move from such organisations as the police that simply want to be seen to be doing the right thing, while attepting to throw off the "institutionally racist" label.

[Fragony]

Yep, those terrible ideals of equality, social justice and respect for all humans could really harm children and poison their minds as well as lead to ignorant and terrible police officiers.

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See it like this, what's it to you why someone hates someone.

[Strike For The South]

You don't know any communists / socialists do you and clearly don't know any BNP people.

No more than you know all BNP members. I am merely inverting all your comments and you disregard me saying I don't know any or how they really act. Kind of telling really.

[JAG]

But is joining a political party an illegal action?


Will they get judged? Will each police officer whose name appears on this list be properly sent in front of a court and judged fairly, or will some administrator just can them?

I think I have answered your first point in soem of my responses.

As to your second point, the whole idea of not allowing racists and fascists in the police force over here came from an incident a few years back now, where a black man was killed and inquiries after pointed to the police force being 'institutionally racist'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lawrence

Since then and a whole number of commitees and inquiries, etc etc, they came up with new rules for the police force and the banning of BNP members and other far right party members from being police officiers was just one of the steps taken.

By the way when you join the police force over here you HAVE to state and sign a document which states 'I am not a membver of the BNP (and other far right parties). The fact that this document is broken means there is complete vindication for sacking members anyway, as they lied about this.... If I sign a contract of employment then break it, do I not deserve the sack? ... Or are we now gonna get the right wingers on here arguing against me on the rights of employers over employees? ahha, that would be a sight.