Animal rights thread

[Rhyfelwyr]

If I may sound so snobbish, I like to think of humans as being above animals.

However, that is purely in a moral or civilized sense. Animals feel pain just as surely as we do, and to inflict pain on an animal in the name of anything other than self-defence or the need to survive is shameful.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd say its as valid an opinion as any, and it seems to have good, compassionate grounds.

Senseless killing, by definition, is senseless. That makes it unwarranted, unproductive, sadistic and destructive. None of these things are particularly commendable.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Senseless killing, by definition, is senseless. That makes it unwarranted, unproductive, sadistic and destructive. None of these things are particularly commendable.

[Guildenstern]

I think it is reasonable to try to prevent the most obvious cases of gratuitous suffering or torture of animals. But beyond that, do animals deserve to be given other rights?

[ICantSpellDawg]

I think it is reasonable to try to prevent the most obvious cases of gratuitous suffering or torture of animals. But beyond that, do animals deserve to be given other rights?

I don't believe so. I think that current animal abuse laws are sufficient.

[Fragony]

I think it is reasonable to try to prevent the most obvious cases of gratuitous suffering or torture of animals. But beyond that, do animals deserve to be given other rights?

Thought 'yes' before I gave it any thought but now I think 'no' Tribes and Fenring are right. Animal rights is unworkable we will have to do with a pledge for good behaviour of those making a living there, and act firmly against what everybody should be able to recognise as unacceptable.

[edyzmedieval]

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/t...igation?c=pfbw

So what do we do now?

[Banquo's Ghost]

So what do we do now?

The widely accepted alternative to turkey at Christmas is the Nut Roast. A good recipe follows.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Take one nut, ideally a PETA activist. The way to check that your nut is fresh is to look for excessive frothing.

Insert roasting spit where the sun doesn't shine. If in doubt, the nut will be talking out of it.

Roast nut over a low fire for five to eight hours. Make sure the nut watches you consuming something meaty so that it is properly tenderised.

Enjoy.

[Yoyoma1910]

The widely accepted alternative to turkey at Christmas is the Nut Roast. A good recipe follows.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Take one nut, ideally a PETA activist. The way to check that your nut is fresh is to look for excessive frothing.

Insert roasting spit where the sun doesn't shine. If in doubt, the nut will be talking out of it.

Roast nut over a low fire for five to eight hours. Make sure the nut watches you consuming something meaty so that it is properly tenderised.

Enjoy.

That made me jiggle like a bowl full of jello.

[Fragony]

The widely accepted alternative to turkey at Christmas is the Nut Roast. A good recipe follows.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Take one nut, ideally a PETA activist. The way to check that your nut is fresh is to look for excessive frothing.

Insert roasting spit where the sun doesn't shine. If in doubt, the nut will be talking out of it.

Roast nut over a low fire for five to eight hours. Make sure the nut watches you consuming something meaty so that it is properly tenderised.

Enjoy.

Oh common, look at the video that is really unacceptable, why would you do such a thing.

[JAG]

Blimey Frag, I can honestly say this is the first and possibly only time I can say that what you have said in this thread is pretty much exactly my opinion.

Though you may not agree with this bit..

My take on animals as a whole I get a lot of stick for, especially with my family. I love animals, my dog was as much a part of my family as my sisters, the whole family mourned the loss of her as much as my grandfather when he passed away - and her ashes are on the mantlepiece! - however though I may love animals there is one huge thing which makes them different to us. They are not humans. Simple as that and because of that they do not have rights like we do and if all the animals in the world had to be killed for a cure of cancer to be found, I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I am for the equality, rights and liberty of the human species, if animals are needed to be tested on in labs for this to happen, for cures of illness' to be found then I have zero problem with it. The only line I draw is when there is uneccesary and cruel treatment, for no purpose. As for battery farming, I have no problem with it. Call me unethical or cruel, fine. But providing cheap, needed food for the poorer in society - to me - is a clear priority over the lives of chickens.

[Rhyfelwyr]

As for battery farming, I have no problem with it. Call me unethical or cruel, fine. But providing cheap, needed food for the poorer in society - to me - is a clear priority over the lives of chickens.

This is true to an extent, however how necessary is it for the poor to have access to KFC Bargain Buckets? All it does it make them obese, ruin the lives of their children, and send them to an early grave. Fast food chains specifically target poorer areas, and never to any good to the poorer communities.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Oh common, look at the video that is really unacceptable, why would you do such a thing.

It is certainly unacceptable, but PETA and their like are too absolutist and thus nuts.

My beef herd is treated with the utmost care and have, one assumes, wonderful lives. They get sent to slaughter at an abbatoir with the highest standards, and I inspect it personally - and my steward makes sure that standards are kept up.

But the products of the estate retail in specialist butchers at prices most people would find extravagant.

JAG hits the nail on the head. If the majority wishes to eat meat, there has to be some level of industrialisation to production. A truly free range, full ethically raised chicken (being the meat most people eat most often) will retail for at least €20. A battery bird is likely to sell for around €3-4.

That's not to say industrial farming cannot be much improved, but short of forcing the peasantry back to a diet of potatoes and soil, it is a necessary evil.

[Fragony]

Though you may not agree with this bit..

Nah I agree, when you really think about it animal rights is a bit silly, got ahead of myself here. It's not animals rights it's really a human obligation to do things the right way.

It is certainly unacceptable, but PETA and their like are too absolutist and thus nuts.

Absolutily yes. But just because the discussion was hijacked by extremists doesn't mean it shouldn't be held. Cruelty because of convenience is a no, people will just have to pay a little more. I always buy 'good' meat it's more expensive (and tastes better) but that is fine with me. Don't care what other people do but not going to support the bio-industry because the gut says it's wrong. But once again I am being a hypocrite because the bio-industry has made me a lot of money.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I would however be somewhat hesitant about someone in the developed world hunting for food, although technically it is acceptable.

Why? The deer you shot with a rifle had a free and full life compared to the contents of your last burger. It was also given a sporting chance.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Why? The deer you shot with a rifle had a free and full life compared to the contents of your last burger. It was also given a sporting chance.

There's no way to ensure it does not die in a particularly painful manner.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

There's no way to ensure it does not die in a particularly painful manner.

It would be killed much more painfully in the wild as a result of disease or predators. There is nothing wrong with hunting for meat - on the contrary, it is to be encouraged.